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ggrobot · Elite Member Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 53603

Playfuls.com has posted an interesting article called 'Analysis: Did Consoles Kill the PC as a Gaming Platform?' Here's an excerpt:

Although concurrence is good on the market, the fact that MS entered the console domain with Xbox has seriously affected the Windows platform. They managed to attract many hardcore

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yhancik · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject:

Did Consoles Kill the PC ?

no, XXXX did !

yhancik · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 7:49 pm Post subject:

but more seriously, they have a point..
especially about the shaders

The shaders do absolutely great things, but we rely too much on them
Which leads to situations where you have a relatively recent and able card, But you can't play the game because it requires the version x.y and you only have the x.y-1 one.

That's something great about the Source Engine (at least in HL2), it's very flexible and works as well on DX7 than with shaders 3.0 on DX9.
And don't tell me "yes but it looks like shit on DX7"... for a DX7 engine, it looks great. If you're stuck on a DX7 card, you're pretty happy to be able to run it.

I understand that you can't have every game supporting the 10 previous generations of graphic cards... but a little more scalibility would be good for everyone... and you won't feel like you have to throw 400$ in hardware every year to be able to play on a computer.

Now if there wasn't that frigging race for the best graphics, we wouldn't be there...

Sabot · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 10:09 pm Post subject:

Remember, without PCs you wouldn't have consoles, and if it wasn't for 3D cards in the PC we would still be playing Sinclair Spectrum LOL. And all console games are made on PC anyway!
Seriously, PCs are like cars -you'll never stop people buying way,way over priced systems (cars) that *still*, essentialy, all do the same thing.

It's how you use them and where, that makes the difference.

I cannot be bothered with a console -yes i own the Xbox and PS2, but they are gathering dust now for the past year. I love being able to buy hardware that eeks some more performance and quality out of my games -you *can't*, and never will, be able to do that with a console. Sorry, 'one shoe fits all' is all that consoles do. Do you suffer from loading poor distance rendering/drawing? well 'tough, get used to it' is the moto of a console.
M$ *has* to make Vista work -or sell. Who cares that they do not produce a quality game? Put it this way, if they don't do any future OS then they *HAVE* to support an OS indefinately. Otherwise they get NO sales and neither do hardware manufacturers or PC sellers.
The result is obvious for all to see, M$ would go completely bust overnight -that aint going to happen!
It's in their interest to promote gaming on the PC. The consoles are different, they make MASSIVE license sales on XBox games and they sell to practicaly EVERY age group under the sun and still make a profit.

If the PC was dead, do you think places like PC World or thousands of other online etailers would be selling graphics cards (at £400) and motherboards etc,etc?
Nope, didn't think so either Laughing

xxxx · Posted: Mon Nov 27, 2006 11:32 pm Post subject:

What a dumb and pointless statement. 'Without PC's you wouldn't have consoles'. Who gives a shit? Like DUH! Really?! Gawd..gimme a gun will ya! (He reminds me of Bill Gates in South Park, I'm Bill Gates, blah blah, BANG!)

- Consoles make more financial sense.
- Consoles already have shown us some pretty amazing games
- Most people today are fed up with or don't care to get PC's cuz it's a money hole.
- More and more people are realizing they don't have to stick $600-$1000 into their box to play games every 6months to a year.
- Lot's don't have to worry about making mistakes and buying the wrong cards or other peripherals.
- People don't have to mess with drivers or wait for serious bugs that stop them from playing their sames as console priced game.
- Worryring about a stupid OS just to get their games working.
- Don't have to worry as much when you are playing your favorite game that people are cheating.
- Consoles are displayed everywhere in every electronic store..PC displays? non-existent! Unless you call that piece of junk infront of The Source or Radio Shack something... Shocked

- Local computer shops have small inventories and typically have to order in your request. Lots of stores come and go. Is that because people are going out and buying lots of PC stuff?
- Magazine counts for console are leaving PC mags in the dust. I can barely find a PC Gamer or CGW at the magazine stores and then a lot have converted to displaying these new mags with both Console and PC games and the PC stuff is like 5-10 pages in the back

PC is on the brink of destruction imo, until nVidia and ATI change their pricing methods the PC market for games is going to continue to shrink.

PC, despite the exception of a few games has become a platform for people who have lots of money, lots of time and not a lot of sense.

I'll personally always had a PC because my career and my work all revolve around requiring a PC. But even for me, playing PC and console games for the past 25 years, the PC will only be for general things and not just a game machine. Perhaps that odd PC game, but I don't see anything on the horizon that's going to make me hug my PC any more than I am now..

H4T3 · Contributor Joined: 28 Nov 2006 Posts: 1

That is the stupidest thing I have ever read !!

PC GAMING WILL NEVER DIE !!!

Every year its the same people say pc gaming is dying HAHAHA

Consoles are crap and for kids period, real gaming is on a PC, no wonder Nvidia is still making vid cards, the 8800 GTX is the most advanced piece of technology ever created and yes it beats the PS3 by FAR, and you cant say pc gaming is expensive vs consoles when you have to buy a 2000$ hdtv to play your consoles nowadays, not only that but the PC can handle double the resolution and double the framerate QUADSLI 8800 GTX+ Quadcore CPU + 2048 * 1024 16x AA 16x FSAA NOTHING beats that sorry, you fail. Now if you want to play silly games for kids and shooters with a GAMEPAD (HAHAHAHALOLOL a gamepad) go ahead buy yourself a kidbox PC isnt for you, ill stick with my PC ever since I played a FPS with a mouse I never went back to a console. Now maybe consoles make more money but why you think ? maybe theres more kids to buy them, and more idiots that dont know how to run a pc thats why they sell more but are they any better ? NO GOD NO ! PC is for the elite crowd for sure, consoles are for the general market (the noobs) oh and BTW I have no problem finding the PC GAMER in my local store, PC GAMING will never die and is getting even better, the future for PC is brighter than ever !! with vista and Direct x 10 the next gen consoles are already behind and are gonna be for the next 6 years ouch !!! thank you come again my friend!

Sabot · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 12:31 am Post subject:

Safer · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:06 am Post subject:

The comments in the brackets are mine, the other is the writ of XXXX or our own console hugger of doom! Wink

- Consoles make more financial sense. [If you want a system dedicated to the sole function of running certain games. Absolutly.]

- Consoles already have shown us some pretty amazing games [Indeed. Final Fantasy, Halo, 7th Guest... I mean... Zelda. Phew. Equally I think that the PC platform has given us increadible games as well. And will continue doing so for a long time to come.]

- Most people today are fed up with or don't care to get PC's cuz it's a money hole. [A totally subjective statement. If you got the money, you probably invest in something that interest you or attract your attention. Considering the vast magnitude of things you can do on a PC besides gaming, many lay down a pretty penny on a good PC.]

- More and more people are realizing they don't have to stick $600-$1000 into their box to play games every 6months to a year. [Again, subjective. Let's have a look on Japan, the whole gaming market consist almost entirely of console games for a the mainstream consumer and quick time powered hentai games for the PC. In contrast you find the exact opposite on the other side of the water mass in China where PC gaming is an immense market. You are however you speak truthfully that there are staggering costs to keeping a high end PC, however mainstream consumers seldom invest into power monsters but play their games on medium eye candy. What one should consider is how well next-gen consoles graphically will appeal versus the oncoming delivery of high end graphic chipset and CPU integrated on the same die which should reduce prices for good PC's considerably. Continuing the same line of thought is how well consoles will adapt to become "gaming computers" as they get fitted with a considerably interesting variety of common PC abilites and how this will affect the PC's precens on the gaming market.]

- Lot's don't have to worry about making mistakes and buying the wrong cards or other peripherals. [This is more or less the "fault" of the retail industry who, instead of touting a simple scheme of "this junk works with this software" advertising configuration like the console has so simplicitly pre-made for themselves, they do a "bigger is BETTER" type of scheme to appeal to people who "want the best" (aka suckers). I mainly see this as a artifact from days past since it's only of yesteryears endevours that 3d graphics and massive hardware have become truly vital and mainstream in ones daily gaming activities. How it will transcend or remain is uncertain.]

- People don't have to mess with drivers or wait for serious bugs that stop them from playing their sames as console priced game. [This is interesting to say the least. Let's consider the fact that many games now released feature driver packs for graphics so that one is certain to be able to run the game. Only enthusiasts generally mess around with drivers more then needed. This "messing with drivers" for the common folk is passing.]

- Worryring about a stupid OS just to get their games working. [Ever read the sys reqs of a modern or for the matter later game? It says Windows. I know that you mean but I'm going to let you rephrase that statement if you want. :3]

- Don't have to worry as much when you are playing your favorite game that people are cheating. [Instead hearing them bitch like the 12 year old trailer kids they are? No - yet a console is restricted system. You are not even allowed to run a browser on it. Sufficient for some, less sufficient for others. This brings me to modding. I love custom maps, skins and so on and don't like to wait 2 years for a map pack to be released that costs me 500 Live Points or something. The backside is however that if the client is not closed, what stops it from being modified? It's the kind of desion one must make on a personal level - freedom or the peace of being certain that no one cheats.]

- Consoles are displayed everywhere in every electronic store..PC displays? non-existent! Unless you call that piece of junk in front of The Source or Radio Shack something... Shocked [Ironicly you don't refer directly to your note above regarding ever changing hardware and the fact that shops don't like to have 50k physically sitting there in equipment that is literally in limbo - to be sold or not to be sold. Market practices 101 - do you really want to have your money in something that may or may not be sold just because it's fancy to look at? This is a direct result of the incredible and fast development the PC hardware market is going through.]

- Local computer shops have small inventories and typically have to order in your request. Lots of stores come and go. Is that because people are going out and buying lots of PC stuff? [See above - I have risen and fallen by the side of two different stores before my current job. Not at my hand, but at the hand of people who doesn't realize it's hard to keep a inventory of things that may be worthless for common as well as enthusiasts PC shoppers in just mere weeks. It's not a sign of PC falling or something like that - just mere market selection. Smile

]

- Magazine counts for console are leaving PC mags in the dust. I can barely find a PC Gamer or CGW at the magazine stores and then a lot have converted to displaying these new mags with both Console and PC games and the PC stuff is like 5-10 pages in the back. [Noooo - this is because of a simple thing as reading news on the internet. It's worthless for me and for the editors on magazine to try and give me breaking, up to date news on events, games and other gaming related dealings if it takes them a month before it falls into my mail box. However I do appreciated magazine who combine all forms of gaming into a different perspective then news. For example, a local magazine, Level, uses a it's magazine for retro gaming, exclusive interviews, articles ala The Escapist and so on - not pure reviews and other common content. And let's face it, you see much more news about PC as platform then consoles.]

That should suffice as an intro, however I believe I probably will loose interest in debating this blatant zealotism you show. If you could stop seeing everything one dimensional many would take you more seriously. Smile

yhancik · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 1:58 am Post subject:

Sabot · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject:

Brilliant *constructive* post Safer, unfortunately completely lost on -as you said- the "one dimensional" xxxx.

The PC is a challenge, there's no denying that. But it's *your* choice to buy or build one. OR even own a console.

When i got into PCs and gaming it was the MOST taxing, and EXPENSIVE genre that got me started -flight simulations. At that time, they were ten-a-penny on shop shelves. Obviously they are limited to FSX and the odd IL2:FB now but that's what got me educated into what hardware REALLY meant on a machine, and how to get every once of power out of it -all that with a 2mb graphics card!

That was me addicted, i didn't have a clue about PCs back then. So i got my first one built, *then*, i read dozens of mags (No internet input then! and certainly not on 14.4kb and pay-as-you-use!!) and self-taught myself to build & customise my own machines. The rest -as they say- is history.

It's my hobby (Amongst MANY others), at least my wife knows where the money goes! Laughing

and i'm not pissing it away in the pub daily/weekly.

I've already said that i've played some fantastic quality japanese horror etc on console, but i miss the 'do anything,edit anything' that the PC offers. Plus the COST of console games (in the UK) are at times nearly *twice* the cost of a PC game (XBox360 are between £40-£50 per game and PC games are generaly £25 as can be seen here where i order most onlind from http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/plat_shop.asp?platform=PCS ). If i'm saving, say, £10 per game and i buy nearly a dozen per year, it doesn't take rocket science to compare the two and know that i can buy either a CPU/Mobo or 6 month new graphics card for essentialy **nothing** since it's money that would have gone to M$ or Sony in licensing on a console game.

xxxx · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 8:41 pm Post subject:

I will respond later tonite when I have the luxury of time to do so. I will as you have done, cross examine your post and reply on each and every quote. Even if some of yours is just verbal diahrea.

Safer does have some good points albeit it a lot based on fantasy and wishful thinking and fabricated facts an outlooks. Like his gaming video card and cpu on the same die... Yeah... like to see a competitive combo like that... Wont happen. You are talking laptops and cutting costs of laptops. I don't know of any True article out that touts AMD and ATI saying they are gonna put a gaming grade gpu into a CPU. Maybe I missed an article. Or maybe you are just making it up...as usual.

As for Stumpus, I couldn't care less. He reminds me of a little boy running behind his daddy for safety and he sits behind him going, Yeah Yeah yeah..to the agressor. Not even worth the air I blow out my butt.

As to people taking me seriously comment. Honestly, you people must be truly daft, I am not here like you looking to 'make friends' or looking for your 'acceptance'. To be honest, I couldn't give a rats ass if you like or dislike my posts or me for that matter. Trust me I'm not shedding a single tear. I'm not here for you I'm here to post my opinion pertinent to the news article. But I guess you don't get it. Again, I will post back to this tonite when I have time. My lunch is over.

Sabot · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:12 pm Post subject:

Excuse me xxxx, but WHO has the childish signature AND spits out the dummy as soon as they are challenged in any way or form....?

YOUR the kid here son, way,way out your league... the other posters, including my own speak FACT.

xxxx · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 10:56 pm Post subject:

You speak fact!? Hahahahaha!!! oh look at my sig kiddies.. Vista will kill gaming? Ohhh that it will!!! Ya you speak fact? pfff. You speak diahrea bud is all and hide behind everyone else. You make me laugh, I'll give you that. Microsoft and Windows is the chief reason there 'is' gaming today on a PC ya dunce.

And aren't you the mindless shallow Euro trash that derived XXXX to be sex? roflmao... get away from me freak.. A guy and he knows nothing about beer. I bet I know all the beers where you live and probably 10 fold more... You're an insult to guys, period.

You aren't married and you don't fool me for a second, just like "oh my games are all over the house and not just in 1 spot." I'll tell ya what's all over the house, your BS and your inflatable XXXX doll. Freak. Hahahahaha!!

xxxx · Posted: Tue Nov 28, 2006 11:21 pm Post subject:

I will edit this post with continued extractions from sites that bear factual numbers and show that PC is dwindling bigtime and more and more are flocking to console than going out and upgrading their PC for the sole intent of playing games.. Here's one..

Sabot · Posted: Wed Nov 29, 2006 12:24 am Post subject:

Oh ho,ho here he goes again...what's that smell? xxxx burning as usual-when i gave him the OFFICIAL URL of xxxx beer he said