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ggrobot
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 Posted: Sun Apr 30, 2023 11:23 pm Post subject: Star Wars Jedi: Survivor PC Controversy Continues [57494] |
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As if Star Wars Jedi: Survivor's performance issues weren't enough, multiple tech reviewers are currently being blocked from playing the game due to EA's Denuvo DRM protection, which is assuming they are sharing the game between multiple users when in fact they are testing it on multiple PCs they own. Daniel Owen, a we
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NakedFaerie
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AAAANNNDDD THIS is why piracy will ALWAYS win over DRM.
1, its way too big and the pirates can shrink it sometimes. (remove movies, music, compression)
2, DRM sucks bigtime and pirated versions have no DRM and usually work better.
3, the devs pay for DRM so fuck that. I'm not going to pay for DRM.
4, they going to hate on us, we going to hate on them and get it for free instead. |
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Csimbi
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| Posted: Mon May 01, 2023 10:09 am Post subject: |
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That's EA for you all right.
Steam DRM is good enough.
It is good enough to prevent people from copying a game to another PC.
And more importantly, it's light enough to be unnoticeable, so legitimate customers are not encouraged to have it cracked. |
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Sabot
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| Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Csimbi wrote: | That's EA for you all right.
Steam DRM is good enough.
It is good enough to prevent people from copying a game to another PC.
And more importantly, it's light enough to be unnoticeable, so legitimate customers are not encouraged to have it cracked. |
Steam doesn’t have DRM. It’s the games that have DRM because EA,Ubisoft whatever *sell* their games on Steam with an agreement to accept the terms and conditions, inc activations -5 per PC and Denuvo
You then launch the game -that you bought on steam- via the original platform that the company owns. You don’t play Assassin’s Creed on Steam, you play it on Ubisoft.
It’s there on the right side on the steam store page - plain to see- but people can’t read these days, just click and buy, then come to the steam forums crying their eyes out.
Steam is just a shop window, they don’t make games, just sell them and take a 30% cream of the profits.
If you still had brick and mortar shops, then prices would be cheaper as they would put more money into the quality of games, rather than charging more to offset the money steam takes.
The irony was that games in the 90s was the biggest media in the world, even with piracy, because it was so easy to PKZip a game and give it to a friend.
it was the *manual* that was most sought after, because it was a PROPER manual with hundreds of pages that you needed for key commands, how to use interfaces - like flight sims or the potions/spells upgrades abilities needed in an RPG.
Also, they put security checks in the game that meant you had to have the manual to get through. Internet was in its infancy (dial-up) and BBS hadn’t caught on and were easily policed back then.
Again, none of this was either on a floppy or CD-ROM like todays 100 buck games!
Today, you pirate a game you get the .pdf manual included.
Which is why all the shit Denuvo, platform online, hardware checks came about.
They thought by not printing boxes or manuals and CD-ROMs, they could make a tidy profit of just having the one digital copy on a server.
Stupid arseholes backfired on themselves and there’s no way to turn it back lol
Today I wouldn’t pirate anything because the little effort they put into games isn’t worth the download…
It’s cheaper (mental energy) to get them in a dirt cheap sale *if* you still think it’s worth the effort.
For eg I got Snooker 19 at the weekend £20 on steam for £1.33 on fanatical games.
I’ve got better things to do with my time than fuck about with dodgy infected copies of pirated games. |
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Tom
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| Who buys EA games anyway? I can't even remember last game I ever bought from them. I detest EA. Biggest scum game maker around. |
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Csimbi
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| Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 4:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Sabot wrote: | | Steam doesn’t have DRM. |
You are wrong of course on this point as you can see here.
I am glad it's so light people don't even notice.
That's how it should be.
Not these super-intrusive crap you mention.
| Tom wrote: | | Who buys EA games anyway? I can't even remember last game I ever bought from them. I detest EA. Biggest scum game maker around. |
I don't.
I think the last one I bought was Command and Conquer and Red Alert but at that time it was Westwood, not EA.
The franchise went tits up since EA aquired it. |
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Sabot
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It’s *not* a DRM, as you can launch steam offline and play offline. It’s only a DRM to games that *wont* allow you to launch steam offline.
Try it and see how many games you can play while offline and those that require online, will only ‘light up’ when you play steam again.
| Quote: | | The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not an anti-piracy solution. The Steam DRM wrapper protects against extremely casual piracy (i.e. copying all game files to another computer) and has some obfuscation, but it is easily removed by a motivated attacker. |
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Sabot
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By and by, steam is just a glorified front end. A ‘shop window’ like a game street that has fake 2D printed ‘stock’ in it. Then when you walk in to buy, you are bitterly disappointed to find it stocks everyone else’s products and none of its own.
But it’s still happy to charge you -because it takes a 30% cut off the devs/publishers- for coming into its non-existent shop and buying from the said vendors. So you’re actually paying twice, but no one even thinks about that.
I buy -dozens- of game keys from Fanatical Games for not even a quarter the price of steam. Yet they are the same steam games!
Have you ever activated a game key on your mobile or tablet, from steam?
You can’t and they don’t want you to. Why?
Simple; they want you to buy **directly** from steam so that *they* automatically activate the key and get the sales cut!
Here’s the funny part.
You **can activate a key on your tablet or mobile** via a back-door, as long as you signed into steam and open.
https://store.steampowered.com/account/registerkey
Pathetic they hide it and everyone thinks steam is better than… are they fuck! |
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Csimbi
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| Posted: Wed May 03, 2023 9:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Sabot wrote: | It’s *not* a DRM, as you can launch steam offline and play offline. It’s only a DRM to games that *wont* allow you to launch steam offline.
Try it and see how many games you can play while offline and those that require online, will only ‘light up’ when you play steam again.
| Quote: | | The Steam DRM wrapper by itself is not an anti-piracy solution. The Steam DRM wrapper protects against extremely casual piracy (i.e. copying all game files to another computer) and has some obfuscation, but it is easily removed by a motivated attacker. |
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It is. Read your own quote. Maybe you believe a DRM equals anti-piracy? lol
Offline play? Still requires a correctly authenticated Steam client and the game.
Just try copying a Steam game onto another PC, try running it and see what happens. |
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Sabot
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There seems to be a language barrier.
Steam will only launch games offline that don’t require a ‘handshake’ with its parent company. For example Ubisoft, EA, Rockstar. If the game is just a window to steam but is on another platform it won’t launch without the platform being online. That’s my point. Steam can be offline, but Ubisoft rockstar launcher etc,etc. is another issue altogether. The most basic games that don’t sell in the bucket loads and are not interesting to the street trash, don’t get money spent on drm for obvious reasons. Steam just annoys people in that department enough to not bother. However, if you want to bust steam you can. You provided the link I quoted and YOU requoted back lol.
Why the fuck do you see screaming tantrums on the forums about “why can’t I play a game that I bought on steam, without installing origins shity installer blah,blah,bla….”
Because they are numbskulls. Spoilt, entitled brats.
Steam own NOTHING.
Steam just fucks you about by controlling how many in your family, under the same roof, using the same isp can play the same game you’re playing on the host machine. The answer to that is None! Your family has to launch steam in offline mode and bang goes access to mods or achievements for them *if* the game allows.
That’s as far as the DRM goes in steam.
On the other hand, Epic allows family members to be online playing the same game at the same time, ironic eh.
That’s what you equate to be steam drm?
I’ll show you this then how good steam is
https://steamunlocked.net/
| Quote: | | steamunlocked.net is a platform to download all your favorites games on steam without the cost. |
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| I was so looking forward to the next part. And this game turned out to be such a disappointment because of its technical condition. |
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