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The Intel Core i7-13700K CPU review & benchmarks finally arrived, following-up our Intel i5-13600K and i9-13900K CPU reviews to give a full comparison of the Intel options. We had this one in the pipeline for a while, but kept getting delayed by other content (mostly the 12VHPWR cable research on the RTX 4090 -- bu

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[Csimbi]

So, they took an i9 and turned it into an i7.
Sounds like zero innovation to me.
Still eats massive amounts of power - nearly 300Ws!
If the power consumption was half of that, I would consider it.
But at the moment, it seems like a bad investment.

[gx-x]

I wish reviewers included older CPUs in reviews of the new ones so I would get a feel of what I would be getting with the upgrade. I, and a lot of people, don't buy each new generation that comes out so comparing 13xx to 12xxx and 11xxx, even 10xxx means very little to me since I am on 9xxx i7, and a bunch of people are on 8xxx series...Same for AMD.
IF I had 12700, why would I care about 13700? It's just a waste of money upgrade for financially responsible people.

[gx-x]

[Csimbi]

I knew what. This is normal within a generation.
You make a good chip - it becomes an i9.
You make a bad chip - you disable some circuits and it becomes an i7.
You make a really chip - you disable some circuits and it becomes an i5.
You make a terrible chip - you disable some circuits and it becomes an i3.
This is perfectly normal. All chips are manufactured the same, but through a selection process it is determined what they really are.

My problem is, Intel marked these as the next generation of the processors.
There is nothing here that would make this processor the next generation. It is almost identical to the previous chip.
When you talk about a next generation, there should be a reason for calling them that.
For a next-gen CPU these innovations should include a new architecture (which it does not), a smaller die size (which it is not), higher speeds (ok, we see a few hundred MHz, but it's not due to innovation, it's just due to changed multipliers), reduced power consumption (which there is none to speak of), a new instruction set (nada), more cache, better pipelines and I could go on but pray tell me, what is it you see here?
Frankly, I do not even understand why Intel even bothers.

[gx-x]

but 13700K is faster than newest generation from AMD. Fact. Call it what you will. Also, it's a "tok", 12xxx was tik (same socket). New generation with next architecture will be Meteor lake (14xxx) on a new socket and chipset.

edit: 12xxx and 13xxx are the same architecture, same socket. That's the "generation". I must have missed where Intel called 13xxx new generation when it's a new iteration.

[KuBr0]

yeah, new socket is where its worthy of being called a new GEN, but maybe not even then when looking at how intel is just ramping up the consumption and squeezing all the power they can. With such innovation methods, we could've had the i9 13900 easily 5 years ago, or even earlier ... I mean, honestly, what else did they innovate in the past decade? The e-cores? LUL, fuck that shit ...

And yea, Intel marketing is calling every series (which comes out in yearly cycles, even sooner when looking at 12th to 13th series, ok Intel, I guess?!) being a new generation to get even 0,1% of the idiots to upgrade = more money. EVERYTHING is about the fucking $$$

[gx-x]

When you look at power measurements that measure ACTUAL power used - AMD and Intel are not that far apart, just ~35W. Forget what AMD calls TDP, it's marketing. Also, peak power from Intel is high but average power is almost on par with AMD. GamersNexus measured the power going to the CPUs, both Intel and AMD and when both suck over 250W, does it matter if one is 260W and the other 290W?! We are talking about the fastest and most expensive parts here. Then you look at power draw in gaming and Intel usually uses less...and is faster atm.

Anyway, Meteor Lake is rumored to have less cores than the current gen, and I have no idea where AMD is going to go from here.

Both companies are just ridiculous at the moment. AMD boosting until it reaches max temp, or clock, Intel until it reaches TDP but has two types of cores and all the possible bugs that go with it (approach that they themselves can't wait to leave behind). I am not buying any of those anyway. If you made me upgrade now, I'd buy 5800x3d, regardless of the price or money in the wallet.

cheers!

PS. for what it's worth, I think E and P cores are needed for Intel atm because AMDs hyperthreading is just so much better atm and this was the only way for Intel to take the performance crown back (while AMD keeps adding more and more cache to gain gaming performance because they don't have another solution for that so...5800X3D). Of course it's all about making money, they are not charity and younger audience is all about overclocking and having a longer diiiii...than the neighbor.

[KuBr0]

[Csimbi]

Intel should have jumped to 7nm or less a long time ago. That would have solved all this mess - power, heat, etc.
The root cause - I think - is, of course that way back, when Intel was sure it had won, let a great deal of their R&D go. The people that left took the knowledge with them, and today, Intel can't improve the design of the new chips because only very few understand them anymore. Seem they shot themselves in the leg (I said this back then).
Of course, it's a new opportunity to bring in new blood with fresh ideas, but those will take years (if not a decade) to mature.

[gx-x]

[Csimbi]

You know, I thought I would put together a shopping list in case I was going to buy into this.
So,
- case - nothing good on the market it's either flashy, noisy or huge. There's no decent microATX case.
- motherboard - barely any microATX boards out there. Only reasonable boards are ATX, but they are all effing expensive - they cost more than the CPU!
I stopped here because there's no way to pick memory and M2 cards without knowing which mobo I'd get.
It makes no sense to buy SSDs right now (too expensive), if I wanted a HDD array with 8 drives (you need at least 8 to get value out of RAID6), I'd have to buy 14TB+ drives, which are freaking expensive.
I just don't think any of these are intended to everyday people anymore - they are clearly built for the rich and fancy.