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ggrobot
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 Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 3:34 am Post subject: Microsoft Acknowledges PC As Gaming Platform [29247] |
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According to an internal Microsoft document snagged by Kotaku, Microsoft is interested in the PC again. Woot?! What the hell, this is deja vu. Haven\'t they been saying this same basic thing once a year for the past few years? ;-)
Q: Does \uot;Fable III\uot; on Windows signal a larger reinvestment by Microsoft i
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th4t1guy
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Koogle
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"to casual, social and Facebook titles"
yeah its called a fucking browser, every platform has the best one, and that is currently Firefox with a shit load of extensions. Saying shit like "more gaming happens on Windows than anywhere else. " is just misleading marketing crap if you take into account consoles and web browser gaming!
Microsuck are 'slowly' but surely crumbling in market shares to other competitors, even Linux is starting to have more of an appeal to a wider range of PC users and not just the specific audience Linux caters to best. Windows like latest winshi7e as platform for a lot of things has become a joke. The fact one of its biggest appeals to using Windows for PC gaming has long since become part of that joke is just a sign of the changing times. And lets be real its MS who have done the most to kill PC gaming on Windows in favor of growing its completely controlled and profitable console market..
Valve bringing steam to linux/osx is like a big fuck you, now just needs developers to use open API's like OpenGL and OpenCL for the better. Instead of propriety MS infested technologies that they use to force market adoption and purchasing of crap new products like shitty vis7a. |
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psolord
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 10:40 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | more gaming happens on Windows than anywhere else |
 Poor PC gaming is dying....! 
Anyway, MS should take their heads out of their asses and push for the release of Gears of War, Halo, Alan Wake and Forza Motorsport on the PC. These are basically the only titles I deem decent on the XBOX 360. On the PC they could be far far better though, with Full HD res, Full AA, Full AF, 60fps+ framerate, oh and please some decent, non chlorine washed out textures would be nice, thank you.
God, these freagin consoles are destroying gaming (except the Wii)! |
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Baconnaise
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Koogle wrote: | "to casual, social and Facebook titles"
yeah its called a fucking browser, every platform has the best one, and that is currently Firefox with a shit load of extensions. Saying shit like "more gaming happens on Windows than anywhere else. " is just misleading marketing crap if you take into account consoles and web browser gaming! |
What exactly is wrong with browser based games? I see plenty of pros to them over cons. I'm not quite sure what you're going on about here.
| Koogle wrote: | | Microsuck are 'slowly' but surely crumbling in market shares to other competitors, even Linux is starting to have more of an appeal to a wider range of PC users and not just the specific audience Linux caters to best. Windows like latest winshi7e as platform for a lot of things has become a joke. The fact one of its biggest appeals to using Windows for PC gaming has long since become part of that joke is just a sign of the changing times. And lets be real its MS who have done the most to kill PC gaming on Windows in favor of growing its completely controlled and profitable console market.. |
Interesting opinion here. Linux or it's various ilk don't seem to be growing in popularity as you seem to think. Windows still dominates and and touches almost every device that has been created today. This isn't to say it couldn't be improved more quickly or in more intuitive ways since it can be. You bring up Linux and quite a few of it's improvements or distro's tried to mimic Windows in certain functionality. Your grand conspiracy aside on MS and gaming the real power lies with the market and the developers not MS. Why as a company would you cut off your left hand just because your right is the one you use more often? They make money off the OS itself and it's associated software on top of any published games. The reasoning you suggest doesn't add up.
| Koogle wrote: | | Valve bringing steam to linux/osx is like a big fuck you, now just needs developers to use open API's like OpenGL and OpenCL for the better. Instead of propriety MS infested technologies that they use to force market adoption and purchasing of crap new products like shitty vis7a. |
Valve is trying to make money through the steam platform. Why wouldn't they make it available to OSX/Linux? They might be in a minority but it still opens up possible revenue. This doesn't mean much else really. The API's like OpenGL certainly run and perform better but Valve could care less as long as they make money. What I do find interesting is that you have this negative bias for MS yet Valve and Steam seem to be perfectly fine in comparison.
Anyways the topic or the memo just seems like a piece of useless info. PC games will be around for awhile and at worst they disappear. Why worry about it as a consumer? |
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Baconnaise
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| Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 12:24 pm Post subject: |
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| psolord wrote: | | Quote: | | more gaming happens on Windows than anywhere else |
Poor PC gaming is dying....!
Anyway, MS should take their heads out of their asses and push for the release of Gears of War, Halo, Alan Wake and Forza Motorsport on the PC. These are basically the only titles I deem decent on the XBOX 360. On the PC they could be far far better though, with Full HD res, Full AA, Full AF, 60fps+ framerate, oh and please some decent, non chlorine washed out textures would be nice, thank you.
God, these freagin consoles are destroying gaming (except the Wii)! |
I understood the logic behind creating titles for the Xbox only. It makes sense when you look it at but why bother? Windows is the PC for the most part especially gaming and to not sell these titles without limitations or delays wouldn't put a dent in Xbox sales to matter imo. |
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Tom
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Baconnaise don't waste your breath. There is nothing positive that comes from Koogle's mouth. I'm just waiting for the Stumpus guy to come in and slam MS and Windows now, will make a perfect thread after that.  IMO, I really don't give a shit what MS says period but Vista is not junk and neither is Windows 7, that comes from a moron who's so fucking clueless he still has a 4x3 CRT on his desk and calls himself a PC gamer. |
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Lol Tom, talk about a 'contradiction in terms'
| Tom wrote: | | Baconnaise don't waste your breath. There is nothing positive that comes from Koogle's mouth. I'm just waiting for the Stumpus guy to come in and slam MS and Windows now, IMO, I really don't give a shit what MS says period but Vista is not junk and neither is Windows 7, that comes from a moron who's so fucking clueless he still has a 4x3 CRT on his desk and calls himself a PC gamer. |
Hey, calm down Tom, like your the one that constantly quotes that the PC is a bag of shit too -or was that your alias talking All i was going to say was what exactly was DirectX## again? Just want that bit cleared up from M$, since they...made it for PC gaming r..i..g..h..t??
Besides it WAS M$ that decided to go down the console route, why did they do that bit also? They quote 'Games for Windows' yet are the turncoats in the whole sorry saga.
If windows was a TRUE money making gaming OS why churn out a console (churn out, being the operative word)if it's sooo good? They CAN'T even do that right without using substandard hardware and shortsighted HD technology - Hey i'm only posting the obvious questions.
But as we all know it's billy boys minions that do all the defending and not him -brilliant influence he has eh.
So, as they say; "the stage is all yours" -make it a good one and billy just might send you a 6month Xbox Live! (note the ! on the end, fucking brilliant marketing. Lock'n'load 
Here's one i would love an answer to from Bill;
Why is it that M$ never ever made a handheld to compliment (cough) the Xbox and/or the PC? Sure there has been rumours etc,etc but there's MILLIONS to be made from the fanboys -surely? Now that is the ultimate holy grail.
Simple,simple questions and facts eh Tom  |
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I guess they want to make sure that game devs do invest in Windows 7 - otherwise they won't be able to stop Windows XP support (which they are so eager to do).
I bet whatever comes out from MS, it won't support XP anymore - again, to force Windows 7 onto people (which means hardware upgrade once again). |
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Koogle
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Tom you moron, you know I really go lightly on your sorry little ass..
not anymore you are clearly a fucking idiot who is hell bent on fucking around... | Quote: | | IMO, I really don't give a shit what MS says period but Vista is not junk and neither is Windows 7, |
lmao vista not junk? and winshi7e neither, oh no of course not, its not just entirely the same thing with the same shitty fucked explorer shell.
Also not a PC gamer because I also use a much better CRT for fps games alongside having 24" lcd screens?.. yeh pls don't make me pull up your previous posts for your complete A-hole ripping.
Baconnaise You seemed to have come in here clueless as to what my points are about, taking your own opinions of what you 'think' I mean.
Which is really quite sad because how the heck could you ask what is wrong with browser based games???? seriously did you even read the quote you took from me?
It had nothing to do with browser based games being bad at all, completely gone over your head on what that point was about it seems.
"The reasoning you suggest doesn't add up."
yes it does add up, as far as console gaming goes MS stand to gain a lot more money and marketshare from it than just selling an OS and affiliated software, as that is declining market already saturated with existing tools, and they are very incompetent in actually coming up with anything else to actually improve on things. So its not really making as much $$$ if you hadn't already noticed, especially with the internet web 2.0 sites and the coming HTML5 type enhancements.
And yes its true game developers are choosing to go the console route for ease of development and concentrated market in which advertise and sell. But if you don't realize, that also has a lot to with how MS have deliberately fragmented the Windows gaming market on purpose with dx10/11 which could have easily been added to XP. Only that would not have allowed to them push their very crippled and shit vis7a OS out in order to stimulate sales.
And yes Linux is getting more attention I'm not saying its going to take over windows, but more people are trying it out and testing the waters. And yes its got a lot of things that need sorting out, the very fact most its GUI's pay too much homage to shit UI/UX elements from Windows and OSX is a big problem, things that look like they've been designed for the visually impaired.
| Quote: | | What I do find interesting is that you have this negative bias for MS yet Valve and Steam seem to be perfectly fine in comparison. |
yah right.. I don't think highly of steam at all, and what I find is that you have this rather pro bias for MS which is rather stupid considering how they routinely screw people.
| Quote: | | PC games will be around for awhile and at worst they disappear. Why worry about it as a consumer? |
no of course, everyone should just go buy a drm infested totally restricted and controlled shit brick of a console to do gaming on. I don't see pc gaming dying at all, but clearly a lot of developers don't have much choice in the matter when things are driven by the need for huge profits and churning out crap, its just easier to do, than making decent games and building a fanbase that want to do such things a customize add more content. Too much manipulation going on and MS are very good at it, what I'd like to see is it completely backfire on them. |
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| Koogle wrote: | Baconnaise You seemed to have come in here clueless as to what my points are about, taking your own opinions of what you 'think' I mean.
Which is really quite sad because how the heck could you ask what is wrong with browser based games???? seriously did you even read the quote you took from me?
It had nothing to do with browser based games being bad at all, completely gone over your head on what that point was about it seems. |
I was under the impression you had negative feelings since most of the post seemed negative itself. If I'm incorrect then sorry  .
| Koogle wrote: | "The reasoning you suggest doesn't add up."
yes it does add up, as far as console gaming goes MS stand to gain a lot more money and marketshare from it than just selling an OS and affiliated software, as that is declining market already saturated with existing tools, and they are very incompetent in actually coming up with anything else to actually improve on things. So its not really making as much $$$ if you hadn't already noticed, especially with the internet web 2.0 sites and the coming HTML5 type enhancements.
And yes its true game developers are choosing to go the console route for ease of development and concentrated market in which advertise and sell. But if you don't realize, that also has a lot to with how MS have deliberately fragmented the Windows gaming market on purpose with dx10/11 which could have easily been added to XP. Only that would not have allowed to them push their very crippled and shit vis7a OS out in order to stimulate sales.
And yes Linux is getting more attention I'm not saying its going to take over windows, but more people are trying it out and testing the waters. And yes its got a lot of things that need sorting out, the very fact most its GUI's pay too much homage to shit UI/UX elements from Windows and OSX is a big problem, things that look like they've been designed for the visually impaired. |
I can only agree that linux might be a touch more popular at home but I'm under the impression it's just because of the increased availability of computers and electronic items that are around us nowadays. I haven't seen any big switches in a few datacenters and the sad thing is at work we have two nix sandboxes out of eight datacenters around the world.
MS is quite large and they really need to streamline themselves as they have become what IBM was in a sense back in the day. It doesn't help matters that the hot thing to do since the 90's has been diversity so you see large companies like MS and other tech giants spread across to various markets.
I don't personally see a problem with them trying to make money or limit the impact of competition as any company small or large will attempt to do the same.
| Koogle wrote: | | yah right.. I don't think highly of steam at all, and what I find is that you have this rather pro bias for MS which is rather stupid considering how they routinely screw people. |
I do have a bias like everyone else but I'm not an MS cheerleader. Novell used to be my sweetheart for fileserving and workgroups. I still have Novell 3.12 floppies. It ran circles around NT4. This doesn't mean win2k advanced or especially win2k3 server didn't run well because win2k3 ran pretty well on older dual p2450 bx based workgroup servers. It got better in many areas and I've moved on. I'm a huge fan of HP insight and openview services they work well in business imo. Home wise I still run xp on a few machines and even win2k but with updated ram and hardware win7 runs fine. It scares me when I need a dvd to install an OS and it takes over 5 or more gigs of space. It's more of an issue with me since I'm still aware of the old limitations of what I had for ram and hard drive space but I moved on .
I'm glad we share a similar view that steam and even ms products can be a royal pain.
| Koogle wrote: | | no of course, everyone should just go buy a drm infested totally restricted and controlled shit brick of a console to do gaming on. I don't see pc gaming dying at all, but clearly a lot of developers don't have much choice in the matter when things are driven by the need for huge profits and churning out crap, its just easier to do, than making decent games and building a fanbase that want to do such things a customize add more content. Too much manipulation going on and MS are very good at it, what I'd like to see is it completely backfire on them. |
I'm not a console lover in my older age but I did have an NES Genesis and SNES. Most people dislike DRM and you won't get an argument for it from consumers in most cases and me. If a company fails it fails. Sony has been on my do not buy list since college. I won't cheer them on or praise their death but if it's not up to my standards at the time of purchase I don't buy it. I'm willing to buy whatever seems like the best made product at the time regardless of brand name even Sony so I suppose we differ there. |
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I am no Windows LOVER myself, but they get the job done. I've been following windows development since Windows 3.11 (missed Windows 3.0) and I have to say, that Windows 7, has come light years ahead. Never had any significant problem and most thigns seem to work fine, from a home user point of view.
Vista was clearly inferior and brought significant amounts of lag, but still, it was a solid OS. Win 7, has become ligther, it indexes less and runs smooth. I don't see what's the problem with that.
Now asking for DX10 in XP, I don't know if it would be doable but even if it was, MS would find themselves having to support one more OS on DX10. These things cost money you know and for what's it worth XP has been around for like 10 years now. Enough is enough! Time to move on!
DX11 on the other hand, has been successfully implemented in Vista SP2, so again, what's the problem here?
As for Linux, I would have absolutely no problem gaming on that. OpenGL 4.0 has nothing to be ashamed of, compared to DX11 (see Unigine's Demos) but support is not there. I mean if a problem appears, who you gonna call? Even if developers decided to provide Linux version, that again would meen double resources spent for double support on dual OSes. No management guy would go for it. I still suppose that they could go for a scheme like "here is the package, but usage under Linux is unsupported" but still it is trouble nontheless. I recall playing a bit of Quake Wars under Linux and it played fine really, but this was OpenGL natively anyway.
All in all, the PC is fine where it is. It has matured enough and I don't see nothing wrong with Steam either. I find it very operational and solution giving, especially you found yourself bored somewhere and want to play a little game you happen to own at steam.
The PC, drives technological advancements, whether some people like it or not. Without the PC, we wouldn't have ATI or Nvidia and the consoles would straggle to find retarded graphics chips from second rate companies to equip them. |
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@psolord
I do not disagree with anything you said, but I feel there is a much-needed competition on the OS market as well.
With Linux, Apple, Google getting into the game, MS has a very good reason to improve their own. |
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| Csimbi wrote: | @psolord
I do not disagree with anything you said, but I feel there is a much-needed competition on the OS market as well.
With Linux, Apple, Google getting into the game, MS has a very good reason to improve their own. |
Apple is even worse than MS from an evil company standpoint. The problem I see with Google's little sideproject of an OS is it's for netbooks or perhaps a low end laptop. Anyone that has been in IT for many years will remember thin clients and that's exactly what it is. It's nothing new or intuitive.
It would be fun to play around with Qnos again since RTOS can be cute. |
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