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ggrobot · Elite Member Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 53567

Digital Illusions has released four new screenshots of

Battlefield: Bad Company, their new upcoming game for Xbox 360 and PS3. The game will use the DICE-developed Frostbite engine and is scheduled for release in 2007.

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xxxx · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 6:58 pm Post subject:

awesome quality. Looks way better than BF2142. This game would look sweet on my HDTV WS! Xmas=360! If only PC could have that kind of level of quality. Bloody looks real, you look around in the pic and it all looks real, unlike the model replacement job they did in BF2142...

djRom · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 8:59 pm Post subject:

Here we go again...

Thats because the Xbox 360 and PS3 are far superior to any PC could even dream to be.

lol

xxxx · Posted: Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:57 pm Post subject:

You are likely being sarcastic so if you want to sit there and tell me PC has comparable graphics, you are a liar. Plain and simple.

Show me a Pc title that gives you this level of quality..

http://www.ggmania.com/pics//06/sep/bfbad/bfbad02.jpg
http://www.ggmania.com/pics//06/sep/bfbad/bfbad01.jpg

I used to be a PC hugger, but these days, you just look like a total idiot to sit there and say PC is better. PC is better to most of you, cuz you like cheat, script and hack all your games.

Here's a Crysis shot.. http://media.pc.ign.com/media/694/694190/img_3577745.html
At face value, Crysis doesn't hold a candle to the quality of this game...Look at that CHEAP ground.

OH and how much money is it gonna cost you to get that quality in Crysis? 3-5x more than a Xbox360.. Yeah, Xbox360 sucks.. pfff. Rolling Eyes

djRom · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 12:57 am Post subject:

Ok..Umm first off, speaking from a purely graphical perspective. All of those shots for BF:BC look great! If you don't look past the fore ground. Did you even consider to wonder why everything just past the foreground is completely wiped away from having a clear image. Its like as if in every picture its 110 degrees outside and the heat is just pouring off the ground. Which I will accept, IF and only IF there were heat lines in the background...And clearly, there aren't. Hell, in pic 2 the guy has a winter hat on his head!

Last time I checked, when I play any kind of game, I like to be able to see out ahead of me past 10 feet. Kind of makes it hard to play a game if you can't see what the hell you are shooting.

Second off, I have never in my life even attempted to use a script, cheat, or hack to get ahead in a multiplayer game. I have however used it to open and unlock features and such for multiplayer, so I can start playing with my friends with everything unlocked from the beginning. But that was only in special occassions. Anyway, thats beside the point.

Now here is a picture that is steady from the foreground to the background.

http://www.ggmania.com/pics//06/aug/coh/coh01.jpg

Granted it doesn't look nearly as good as the foreground of the pictures you are pointing out, but atleast its consistant.

Next off, now that I discussed all that..I will say, that anyone who really loves games, won't care about what graphics look like.

Thirdly, I can say this about consoles vs. PCs... Nearly every game you will be buying on next gen consoles will all be equally priced no matter how good..or bad, it is. While a lot of great pc games are cheaper (first off) right off the bat are around 50$, with many at 40$, and some great and awesome titles at around 30$. And thats without waiting nearly a year for it to go on a best-seller's list.

Oh and lets not forget something, if you are really into pc gaming..You knwo that you don't have to look hard..or far to find games for free (illegally, and legally). And they are much easier to get running than getting illegal/legal games running on a console.

So with that in mind, the 1000$ I spent on a new system, doesn't necessarily mean I have to spend a whole lot of extra cash to play some great games. Where as your 400$ purchase is going to quickly escalate over the amount that I put out for computer games/a pc. And lets not forget how great things like Xbox Live are...Oh wait, what do you plan on doing when/if Xbox Live ever goes down forever? I guess you will be stuck with something you can't play online with. Same goes for Steam, yes...But I don't support Steam...at all and probably never will. Of course it would be much easier for Valve to make Steam just go away when and if they ever go under and take it all down.

Ummm..Just trying to think if I left anything out.

Oh yes, next time you try to accuse someone looking like a total idiot, think about who you are calling an idiot. (I know you weren't directly pointing it to me.) BUT computer gamers generally have a better idea of whats going on in the industry than a console gamer. Only because you have to have some kind of brain to play/get a pc game going. (And I am not saying all, I am simply making a generalization since most of the console gaming populous are only in for their Madden.)

Ok, I think I made my point. And I truely look forward to hearing your opinion on all of my thoughts and such. Smile

xxxx · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 3:25 am Post subject:

miglaugh · Elite Member Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 367

I've said many times my problem with consoles is trying to play an FPS with the analog stick controllers. But I've recently heard rumors that MS is coming out with a new controller that's supposed to have better precision when it comes down to that kind of game. Any truth to that that you guys know?

They should bring back a better form of that gun that Nintendo had for duck hunt. I'm sure they could come up with a good way to handle that.

You are spot on with the racing games being dominant on the consoles, I guess that's because people don't want to buy those wheels, and a keyboard just plain sucks ass as a steering device. RTS is however a sore spot on consoles, as a precision device like a mouse is required. Again I'd like to see the big three bash heads and come up with an innovative way around that, but I don't see why they haven't yet. Another genre that seems to have been lost altogether is the combat flight sim. What happened to the commanches, and apaches, and chuck yeager sims. I want to feel the blistering speed of a mig-21 or something and I think this generation of consoles should be able to handle it. Look at burnout, the speed in that game is mind boggling.

If consoles can overcome some of the issues they have, then I'm all for picking up a PS3. I'd just rather not have to keep up with 2 platforms, and If I have to pick one right now it will still be the PC, just for the flexibility. I still get a lot of enjoyment out of the modding community, and that doesn't exist on consoles, yet.

Nosferatu · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:16 am Post subject:

The screen from Company of Heroes you argued about:
http://www.ggmania.com/pics//06/aug/coh/coh01.jpg
It's an RTS after all, so why point to blocky models, soldiers that look the same and the not so perfect shadows?

nb411 · Elite Member Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 497

So you had a day off work then did you X?

xxxx · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 5:08 pm Post subject:

miglaugh · Elite Member Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 367

XXXX, my point about the controller was a comparison between it and a mouse. Imagine if, for example, it was made possible for people playing the console version of an FPS to play against the computer version of an FPS. Who do you think would win? The mouse people would dominate with extreme prejudice.

I'm not saying I won't play FPS with a controller, but I'm "leet" with a mouse and only average with a controller. Anyone who is better with a controller than a mouse must have something wrong with them.

Safer · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 6:07 pm Post subject:

PC graphics?

One word; Crysis

Want a DX9 game? X3 will do nicely. Hell, Heagmonia still kicks ass, graphics wise atleast. Wink

Looking past those BF pics, which make me want to acctaully buy a BF title for the first time since BF1942, It's not exactly hard to find anything in graphics that is comparible to those pics - however, I wonder if they can keep that look consistantly though - there is a limit to what can be done on a console, especially if you consider the overall playability of previos BF games. Razz

Anyways - continue arguing. ^_^

xxxx · Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2006 7:56 pm Post subject:

Safer · Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:10 am Post subject:

XXXX; I'm pulling your leg!

And I was merley pointing out graphic wise comparisons. Comment time!

BF1942 - Great game! Buggy as hell but fun on LAN parties.
Other BF games - meh! I got my BF2 key from a friend even.

For X3 - it's buggy, it's annoyingly strange in behavior from time to time but you can't denie that it's a certain feeling you get while surfing the vacuum of space above Kingdoms End listning to the awesome soundtrack. But my point was merley a graphical one.

Heagemonia (Legions of Iron - I probably spelled the name wrong but it's a greek word meaning roughly "dominion") is strategy game developed by Digital Reality and released mainly in Europe by Wanadoo. It's set in space - either way it's visuals are still today very pleasing togather with a worthwhile gameplay - sad it didn't hit mainstream.

And lastly regarding Crysis; I thought Far Cry sucked balls - I still can't take it enough to finish the first level with the ship and all, I hate the fact that I need to live in the binoculars to acctually spot a enemy. And I will probably not see anything else with Crysis - I was merley pointing out graphics and visuals.

I'm not gonna debate any kind of PC vs. Console crap as it is so goddamn pathetic - it's like comparing a Coke with Swedish "kola"[sic] (I redicule the poor soul who dosen't taste the diffrence) I'm sleepy so my analogies sucks - but you get it - it's a diffrence, defacto. I'm however going to point out my perception of things.

I believe that PC and Console gaming is not fundamentaly diffrent, but there is still a diffrence in pure gameplay and development.
You will see a diffrence in graphics, gameplay and the overall cost on PC compared to a console but that dosen't, even by a longshot negate the fact that the PC is a great gaming tool! And if you are enough passionate about games you will understand this and love the games on their own ground - regardless of graphics and platform.

As for living in denial I can only say; hardly. Wink

I love my PC as an exellent online gaming platform (which is of course the reason for the current development direction for the industry. More and more games developed as MMO's or for online gameplay which topples the priority of graphical advancements in other comparments than optimization for lower end systems.) and I love my consoles as excellent platforms for singelplayer games - I couldn't live without my Final Fantasy dose!

If you are living on a harsh budget I belive it's a personal choice if you can't keep both. Consoles have cost edge while PC has, within it self more capabilities then just games - however the main factor is, as allways; the games! You get the platform for the games, I hope atleast.

miglaugh · Elite Member Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 367