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ggrobot · Elite Member Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 53571

_performance/uot;FiringSquad cards, including the GeForce 6800 GT, to see who comes out on top in performance:

Breaking it down at the various price points, we've got to give the edge to NVIDIA by default at the $300 mark, simply because we're still trying to get our hands on a 256MB Radeon X180

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El_Coyote · Elite Member Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 611

Quote from oblivion readme:

-ATI Crossfire
Performance on systems using ATI Crossfire will be reduced until ATI releases an updated driver with Oblivion listed as a Crossfire Compatible game.

they bash the performance of something that's not enabled yet...
mayhaps they should have read the readme or waited till next driver set with the dual tests? Razz

xxxx · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:41 pm Post subject:

Yeah needless to say that the ATI card can't even properly run this game to begin with. Where nVidia is processing many effects, the ATI card is doing the same thing sans the effects.. And they say ATI is faster?? What a biased POS of a review..So many effects are lost with ATI. Including HDR and AA. Game looks way better on nVidia.. nVidia doesn't only look better, it performs better. But yeah, it MUST BE MY SYSTEM.. Pffff.

Lookin at this again, HDR on ATI and Oblivion? WTF is that?? ATI can't do HDR in Oblivion.. That's a lie or ATI has f'd everyone again with their earlier cards by not providing support. Ahh.. I just keep feeling better all the time now..

This performance review is a total piece of shit and fringes on lying. ATI and nVidia are not displaying the same quality of game. I don't give a shit what this ATI card is set to, the game appears different. I know cuz I've done SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. This is nothing but a ATI rant by an ATI user and it fails to tell people the TRUTH.

El_Coyote · Elite Member Joined: 09 Jun 2004 Posts: 611

Actually it's you thats lying, HDR works fine on my x1600 and on every ATi piece I've seen the game on so far.
The difference between HDR rendering enabled and disabled is really distinct and magnificent. you cant miss it (or apperantly YOU can...)
I'ts actually the first time ever i saw that brought up, so apperantly your computer really IS very unique in that aspect. what a pity...

With HDR and AA in oblivion, you chose which you want to use, cause as of yet you cant use both of those two on either ati OR nvidia hardware - and thats because of the way the game was programmed rather than the hardware manufactures.
Once again you display your ineptitude.

Nosferatu · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:03 pm Post subject:

xxxx, you've already mentioned you've got a x800 family card, which supports shader model 2.0. Only Valve came up with HDR on 2.0 cards, while all the others developers didn't really bother, so you can enable HDR just in case you've got pixel shader 3.0 capable card. Without it all what you get is an overbright effect, but certainly not HDR. You took this shitty overbright effect for HDR "a la ATI", while in fact it isn't so. See someone playing on an ATI card that HAS pixel shader 3.0 support.
And yeah, AA doesn't go with HDR.

Nosferatu · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 9:14 pm Post subject:

By the way...
Those at Valve (all shitheads according to you) were the only ones who implemented HDR so skilfully, that even your card can give you the eyecandy. You blame them for zero support and ATI for outrageous quality and performance.
And YOU are talking about BIAS!

xxxx · Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:34 pm Post subject:

I was wrong, HDR and AA were not on in Oblivion, just HDR. HDR was not avail with the X800 at all. Oblivion now appears as a totally different looking game with my 'cheaper' nVidia card.. It's actually a pleasure to play now..

HDR and Valve is as per agreements with ATI and Valve. Valve started out making the game for ATI and compatible with nVidia. You are impressed by little things, Valve made HDR work for ATI, wow what a feat... yes lets put Valve on a pedestal because they made HDR work on ATI.. yeah.. no thanks. Now how many games have things designed for nVidia in em??? gee, like 1billion??

nVidia is far superior to ATI and personally I think only a fool would say otherwise. But that's 'my' opinion. I don't personally care if you don't agree with my opinion. in my opinion, nVidia doesn't only own ATI in it's products but it owns in support, price and overall compatibility for games. With ATI support "is" shorter for it's products than nVidia too, my X800 was already chugging in some games and I was being forced to go to medium. This time round I figured 'why buy a card that spends it's time constantly making itself compatible for games, I decided it was better to go with a card that developers actually design for and a card that typically works with anything.

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xxxx · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 3:34 pm Post subject:

Some people just like to put Valve on a pedestal without warrant and they avoid the obvious comparisons. To say what a feat that Valve put HDR in HL2 is like 'so what?'. Did it improve the fps or make it worse for people? How many turn off HDR for competition? How many people already finished the game before Valve 'decided' to put HDR in?

I can't compare results to my X800 in some ways because my cpu is upgraded too, but when I talk about my new nVidia card it's because with the same exact settings I had with my X800 the games just look a hell of a lot better and play a lot better, in some case I have features I would have liked to turn on but either caused disastrous results in performance or the game crashed. ATI is famous for crashing and rebooting PCs.. I'll be a grandpa if my nVidia EVER does that too me.

As I said, my choice for buying nVidia is overall developer support, game support and the fact that nVidia doesn't play the game of "let's patch our drivers like crazy so they are compatible with games". ATI's slogan, a wish at best, "Get in the game". I've been saying it for years, ATI can't even get in the door half the time. The most compatible card for games has been and likely will always be nVidia.

No.21 · Contributor Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 39 Location: Arroyo

WOW another uber super post about ATi from our dear XXXX.

xxxx · Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:23 pm Post subject:

Correct, I did forget about the corrupt drivers and the shimmering.. Thanks for that!

No.21 · Contributor Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 39 Location: Arroyo

Yeah, and dont forget to take a cup of Ybozo next time you post. Might refresh your memory.

xxxx · Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:47 pm Post subject:

Yeah.. and your intelligent because??.. Thanks for stretching that one braincell No21..stay in school ok!? Or is that Lucas?? magified post, same spelling inconsistencies.. Gee I wonder..

I look forward to your posts to contradict my points and experiences.. I have a nice handy set of bookmarks of LOTS of ATI issues/excuses I can pick from.. I could likely keep you busy for months defending ATI and I'd be more than open to your criticisms of nVidia...likely just ATI lies spread around..

No.21 · Contributor Joined: 02 Feb 2005 Posts: 39 Location: Arroyo

Like i have written before: You are scathing. If you dont get it, then read your earlier posts. And look at your initial one.

It seems to me that you have your own personal vendetta against ATi , becouse of an unsatisfactory product that you bought. Hard to stay objectiv isn't it? And next time plan and check out the products you are going to buy.

And about those issue, what about them? Nvidia has issues too. The real big problem is that if they cant be fixed easily and in reasonable time. Or have major harm.

GPUs are improved and comes with new features and some driver bugs are fixed, especially the major ones. So it doesn't stay the same.

What i am trying to mean with all of this is that dont go ape shit over some old crap in the past. Settle it and move on and stay objectiv. Dont start scathing like a cheap 2 dollar whore.