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ggrobot
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 Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 3:25 pm Post subject: Ten Reasons to Wait for PS3 [20254] |
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PS3.IGN has posted the top 10 reasons to wait for PS3:
Reason #10: Xbox 360 Doesn't Have a Killer App - 360's launch lineup is admirable; there are 18 games and five first-person shooters. It can even be argued that the 360's overall average quality of titles is greater than that of previous systems. And yet
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El_Coyote
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| bunch 'o whiners |
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Nosferatu
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What do you need 120 fps for???!!! A human's eye can't really spot a difference between 40 and 120 fps really (25 is sufficient for the eye nerves to be specific). The scene flows flawless in both cases if the fps count is stable. I mean they are talking about stable fps count, right? Because it's a bold lie to claim they'll provide 120 fps, while it'll constantly drop to a value twice lower or even more.
In short, will smbd at least hint me on the reason for needing 120 fps? |
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Ozieo
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Reason #11 : Easier to solder a modchip LOL  |
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yhancik
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yeaaah, let's have some consolewar on unreleased machines !
anyway, yeah, some points are arguable, some sound justified
what about the console lifespan ?
the PS2 was released in 2000 and will be replaced next year
the xbox only arrived in 2002 and is basically dead by the end of the year
.. now maybe this xbox will last longer |
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CaptStar
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:58 pm Post subject: |
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Here guys its simple.
PS3=Japanese piece of crap
Xbox360=American gaming goodness.
Besides, id rather have an Xbox360. |
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yessum
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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I, myself, will solely wait for the next gen Nintendo console. All I need is next gen mario, next gen zelda and a whole bunch of friendly enjoyable and addictive titles to keep me satisfied in front of the telly.
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY NINTENDO!
As for the 120 fps comment,
The way it might work, and in all honesty this is just from the top of my head, 120 fps will become a standard as 30-60 is now in ps2. It will prevent considerate (noticeable) slowdowns. The system will be designed to maintain an average frame rate of 120. True, your eye cannot notice the difference, but when a game comes out that MIGHT take the whole ps3 experience to the new level it will use enough of the systems power to drop the average frame rate from 120 to 30/60.
So, all-in-all no matter what will be thrown at ps3 it will maintain fluid eye candy.
Once again, this is all just from the top of my head. I know slowdowns are hardware related, but once you have a system ahead of its time that can’t be fully upgraded you’d want some way to make everything possible. Just imagine; First games for it will abuse its full power. Run at 120 fps. Flawless! Years go by and a dev team creates a game that’ll challenge the entire system. To have these games run fluid at 120 would drain the power. So, if you limit them so they only use a fraction of that 120 you’d still have fluid eye candy as well as exceptional graphics. (Just a thought… I could be dead wrong since I know nothing about what I’m talking about)
Still. NINTENDO! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY! |
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CaptStar
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No offense Yessum, but the Nintendo Revolution is gonna be crap. It should actually be called the Nintendo De-evolution.
1. They have admitted that in terms of gfx it will be nothing compared to Xbox360 or PS3. I know gfx aren't everything, but if they want to compete in the modern gaming world, they need to have good graphics. If they are going to have graphics that arent as good as an Xbox360 or PS3, I may as well buy a Gamecube.
2. They are offering the same titles. A new Mario, a new Zelda, and a new Metroid. They have to stop using the same franchises over and over, as it starts getting boring and repetetive. Come up with a few new franchises perhaps that they can continue in the future.
3. The controller sucks. If I want a gaming console, I want one with a gamepad, not a tv remote. The gyroscopic controller idea is a good one, but I dont see it working out. It will be clumsy.
4. They have got to market their product better: Nintendo has said next to nothing about their new console. We have barely seen it, just the controller and the console itself. We have seen more of the PS3 than the Revolution. And as for the Xbox360, if your lucky you can pick one up right now.
And that is why I do not like the Nintendo Revolution. Their handheld systems are better. |
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yessum
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That is why I love Nintendo… Revolution.
It’s a neat little trinket that is gift wrapped tightly in a sexy looking box. The game pad, or the remote if you will, is something thought up entirely out of the box. It’s what draws you into the whole spectrum of the Revolution world. You heard of the possibilities it can provide and you heard of what it can really do, so all you really have to do is imagine. And with a thought, with a wonderful thought, you can see the marvels Revolution could bring into this world.
Their franchise, though bleak, is a franchise that works. Their Mario games have never really gotten boring or entirely repetitive (they just have goten a lot better!). Zelda games keep getting somewhat innovative and greatly story driven and that little metroid title, well… in my point of view it’s a whole lot more impressive than Halo for the Xbox as well as some other fancy-shmancy shooter for the PS2.
Honestly, while xbox and ps2 dominate the visual and entertainment category of the console world, Nintendo has and will always bring something new into the game play department. The possibilities for Nintendo revolution are well, endless! And who cares how they market their system? Seriously, do you really need to know what graphics card it uses, how much RAM it has or even what processor it’s using? It really doesn’t matter what’s inside the console as long as the output is well, marvelous.
I hope the best for revolution. Nintendo is and has always been thinking outside the box. Sometimes it seems as bad move, but sometimes, if well planned and choreographed to perfection, it may as well become the next best thing since toilet paper.
All-in-all nothing can really be said until revolution comes out. I have very high hopes for it. If it bombs. Then it’ll bomb. I won't care. I’ll still buy it! |
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Jelster
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Sorry, nothing personal here but I get a little sick of the Nintendo bashing at the expense of Sony and MS's hype machines. Damn those two companies need to move into the tobacco business they're so used to blowing smoke up everyones arse. Anyway onto the points.
| CaptStar wrote: |
1. They have admitted that in terms of gfx it will be nothing compared to Xbox360 or PS3. I know gfx aren't everything, but if they want to compete in the modern gaming world, they need to have good graphics. If they are going to have graphics that arent as good as an Xbox360 or PS3, I may as well buy a Gamecube. |
Come on. Sony and MS are full of it when it comes to their next gen specs. They twist, turn and misrepresent what their systems can do. Sure they're gonna be powerful, they'd need to be considering your pretty much paying for a cheap mobo, homebrew OS and a monster CPU and GPU. Nintendo deserve some respect for not even bothering to play this stupid game and insult their customers, I'm sure they have suitable if not comparable performance to the PS3 and X360.
| Quote: | | 2. They are offering the same titles. A new Mario, a new Zelda, and a new Metroid. They have to stop using the same franchises over and over, as it starts getting boring and repetetive. Come up with a few new franchises perhaps that they can continue in the future. |
True but lets consider those same franchises with point 3 taken into the equation, thats gonna be a new experience all round. Nintendo may stick to what it knows (and lets not forget that each gen of their console they've still managed to innovate and create) but they make good games with it, sadly third party support has killed them in the last couple of gens.
BTW I don't see Sony or MS providing much innovation. They either suck up established devolpers and titles (HALO) or blatently copy existing popular titles. Admittedly they of course have innovative titles too but I don't think that was your point. All three are as bad, you just notice Nintendo more because they can't bury themselves beside a ton of third party trash.
| Quote: | | 3. The controller sucks. If I want a gaming console, I want one with a gamepad, not a tv remote. The gyroscopic controller idea is a good one, but I dont see it working out. It will be clumsy. |
Now granted I've not used the controller either but I'm interested in why you act like its such a bad idea. Sure its different but whats the problem with it. Its like saying a controller is crap because its pink, doesn't mean you won't have the greatest game ever with it.
To try and keep this short, but imagine this.
You hold it horizontal in your fist, thumb on the button. Twist forward and backward like a motorbike throttle. Turn clockwise/anticlockwise to steer. Hold the button down and move the controller forward and backward to scroll an onscreen menu of weapons. Tap the button to fire a weapon. Incorporate this into F-Zero. Oh find something for you other hand to do.
How about using two controllers and having an excellent platform for a flight/helicopter sim.
Or finally having an intuative way to direct a 3D camera. No more scroll right, scroll up. Oh bugger the wall is in the way. Now you just press the button and point/drag the camera where you want it like you would a real camera.
Beat em ups could be turned on their head by simply requiring actual movements and speed of movement to decide the moves your character pulls off and the power that they get delivered with. We don't need to get silly and expect people jumping around the room but simple wrist movements/flicks/rotations could put an end to the button mashing and bring new skills into a stale bossom wobbly genre.
| Quote: | 4. They have got to market their product better: Nintendo has said next to nothing about their new console. We have barely seen it, just the controller and the console itself. We have seen more of the PS3 than the Revolution. And as for the Xbox360, if your lucky you can pick one up right now.
And that is why I do not like the Nintendo Revolution. Their handheld systems are better. |
Can't disagree at all. Nintendo have always sucked when it comes to delivering on time and marketing what they've got. Unless they're prepared to pay millions to a top agency I doubt they'll do much better this time round. They do however have a fantastic idea behind the revolution and I believe they are wise to keep details skant while Sony and MS harp on about graphics all the time.
Again, sorry, this is not meant as a personal dig, just counter argument. |
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Sorry to get back on topic a little. Here is my sarcastic retort to the IGN article.
120fps I doubt seriously. Anyone seen the specs for F.E.A.R. running on a top of the range PC at high res? bit-tech <--- <Cough> Best you can build PC system and average FPS is 94 with lows around 50. Please don't tell me the PS3 could double that at a higher resolution and maintain it.
1080p Hell, I can't move for buzz words around here. Given the choice between a Nintendo "remote" controller and 1080p. My vote for gimmick is with the latter.
Expandable yeah because Sony would never think about locking down their system where it counts so they can milk more money from their customers. UMD and MemoryStick for the PSP spring to mind.
PreOrder Well the panic usually starts with a release date, bit hard selling out of something thats not REAL. Might as well PreOrder your PS4 while you're at the store.
HD buzz IP Camera Yeah of course, because the reason Nintendo will fail is because their controller requires you to jump around like a twat. Unlike the PS3 camera?!?
Games Isn't 2 and 3 kinda the same? Can anyone see the irony that every single game mentioned is going to be a continuation of an existing franchise. Mmmm Mario = boring/unoriginal, Nintendo Suck. Tekken 6 = WoW GFXs, Sony are Gods. Oh dear.
Multiplayer Shhhh, Sony we have the internet. Remember thats the thing you boasted about at the last PS launch, slagged off Nintendo for ignoring and then totally screwed up yourself. I'm sure the few hundred customers who have a living room big enough, 6 spare controllers and friends who can be bother to come round your house to beat the CPU opponent again will really be chuffed.
Blu-Ray Well if it worked for UMD then it'll damn well work for Blu-Ray. Sure the storage is gonna be appreciated in a year or two. What you really want though is an installed userbase of Blu-Ray customers to flog your movies to at a better royalty rate. Doesn't take much savvy to know you'll be releasing games on DVD (pennies each to produce) rather than Blu-Ray (Dollars) for some time to come.
Phew, I'm glad thats over. I'd like to say that I don't think the PS3 is a crap system, nor are the games that will come out on it. I'm saying all this lying and BS is going too far and does us customers a BIG dis-service. I just hope that everyone who buys a next gen console does so because their stomachs knot with excitement of playing a game you simply can't do without rather than owning a hyped up system. |
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CaptStar
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| Jelster wrote: | Sorry, nothing personal here but I get a little sick of the Nintendo bashing at the expense of Sony and MS's hype machines. Damn those two companies need to move into the tobacco business they're so used to blowing smoke up everyones arse. Anyway onto the points.
| CaptStar wrote: |
1. They have admitted that in terms of gfx it will be nothing compared to Xbox360 or PS3. I know gfx aren't everything, but if they want to compete in the modern gaming world, they need to have good graphics. If they are going to have graphics that arent as good as an Xbox360 or PS3, I may as well buy a Gamecube. |
Come on. Sony and MS are full of it when it comes to their next gen specs. They twist, turn and misrepresent what their systems can do. Sure they're gonna be powerful, they'd need to be considering your pretty much paying for a cheap mobo, homebrew OS and a monster CPU and GPU. Nintendo deserve some respect for not even bothering to play this stupid game and insult their customers, I'm sure they have suitable if not comparable performance to the PS3 and X360.
| Quote: | | 2. They are offering the same titles. A new Mario, a new Zelda, and a new Metroid. They have to stop using the same franchises over and over, as it starts getting boring and repetetive. Come up with a few new franchises perhaps that they can continue in the future. |
True but lets consider those same franchises with point 3 taken into the equation, thats gonna be a new experience all round. Nintendo may stick to what it knows (and lets not forget that each gen of their console they've still managed to innovate and create) but they make good games with it, sadly third party support has killed them in the last couple of gens.
BTW I don't see Sony or MS providing much innovation. They either suck up established devolpers and titles (HALO) or blatently copy existing popular titles. Admittedly they of course have innovative titles too but I don't think that was your point. All three are as bad, you just notice Nintendo more because they can't bury themselves beside a ton of third party trash.
| Quote: | | 3. The controller sucks. If I want a gaming console, I want one with a gamepad, not a tv remote. The gyroscopic controller idea is a good one, but I dont see it working out. It will be clumsy. |
Now granted I've not used the controller either but I'm interested in why you act like its such a bad idea. Sure its different but whats the problem with it. Its like saying a controller is crap because its pink, doesn't mean you won't have the greatest game ever with it.
To try and keep this short, but imagine this.
You hold it horizontal in your fist, thumb on the button. Twist forward and backward like a motorbike throttle. Turn clockwise/anticlockwise to steer. Hold the button down and move the controller forward and backward to scroll an onscreen menu of weapons. Tap the button to fire a weapon. Incorporate this into F-Zero. Oh find something for you other hand to do.
How about using two controllers and having an excellent platform for a flight/helicopter sim.
Or finally having an intuative way to direct a 3D camera. No more scroll right, scroll up. Oh bugger the wall is in the way. Now you just press the button and point/drag the camera where you want it like you would a real camera.
Beat em ups could be turned on their head by simply requiring actual movements and speed of movement to decide the moves your character pulls off and the power that they get delivered with. We don't need to get silly and expect people jumping around the room but simple wrist movements/flicks/rotations could put an end to the button mashing and bring new skills into a stale bossom wobbly genre.
| Quote: | 4. They have got to market their product better: Nintendo has said next to nothing about their new console. We have barely seen it, just the controller and the console itself. We have seen more of the PS3 than the Revolution. And as for the Xbox360, if your lucky you can pick one up right now.
And that is why I do not like the Nintendo Revolution. Their handheld systems are better. |
Can't disagree at all. Nintendo have always sucked when it comes to delivering on time and marketing what they've got. Unless they're prepared to pay millions to a top agency I doubt they'll do much better this time round. They do however have a fantastic idea behind the revolution and I believe they are wise to keep details skant while Sony and MS harp on about graphics all the time.
Again, sorry, this is not meant as a personal dig, just counter argument. |
Hey, I have nothing wrong with a pink controller at all. Im just saying, the idea of a gyroscopic controller is a good one, but I dont see it working for every game.
And to that dude who said Xbox360 is a load of hype:its out, so try it out for yourself. Its actually really good. |
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yessum
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 8:39 pm Post subject: |
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Well, obviously there will be games developed especially to use the gyroscopic features. Others games, multi-platform games, will most likely feature an add-on-like game pad that’ll connect through the expansion port of the remote.
Wow, I just imagined how a splinter cell title would play with the remote. The control buttons would be for walking and the whole gyro would be for aiming/pointing the gun. The normal buttons would simply be actions and such. Now that’s damn slick if you ask me!
Control the entire upper torso with the remote! 
I can’t wait for Nintendo to start showin’ us the upcoming titles. How they’d play and such then show us the entire possibility of the remote. Mmm! |
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