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Next-Gen.biz has a new article covering Cevat Yerli's speech at IMAGINA 07. Cevat explains the pros and cons of developing a game for Windows Vista, DX10 and Multi-core processors. He also makes it clear that the game is being made to be very scalable so older hardware (over 2 years old) will still be able to p

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xxxx · Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject:

I fail to see the logic in buying a game you must strip to crap just to play it. I refuse to play this game given I have a 7600. Whether they made it to go back 2 years or not, the result is the same, Turn everything off. Would you go watch a movie if half the narration was missing and the screen was black and white and not colour? Would you pay full price to see that film? Not likely.

Sabot · Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 6:45 pm Post subject:

But that's how *we* see games xxxx.
Why do you think 'The Sims' is a massive seller? Because it runs on just about any machine out there =mass market.
Although there are titles out there marketed the same way as Crysis -and have done so for years.
Operation Flashpoint sold 1.5million copies *because* it could 'grow' with your upgrades, whilst still being an exceptional game to play through many options in the settings menu. Textures could be 64x64 right up to 4096x4096 and mere 100s of metres to thousands -what i play now, but it took me 4years to get to those textures and draw distances!!
The Crysis dev's are actualy catering for DX10 and DX9 users and incredibly older machines!! That is amazing in this day and age where -if Microsoft had it's way- you would need to go out and buy a whole new machine just for it's OS! Rolling Eyes

Gameplay is more important than graphics -and has always been the case.
Christ, i sat playing VGA games (Pixels the size of dinner plates) and had more fun that the latest,greatest DX9 graphic offerings today!
Make a game run only on DX10 hardware or 512mb DX9 cards etc,etc is old hat. Dev's have to be flexible.
So you would rather go out and buy a DX10 graphics card and hardware because the game demanded it? Isn't that cutting your nose off to spite your face :p

Hey i love watching older B&W films! I have the complete boxed collection of Laurel & Hardy Cool

djRom · Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:11 pm Post subject:

Although I do agree with you XXXX...I am kinda shocked that you would say that, seeing as how you have said on many occassions that you are mad about upgrading every 6 months and such. Stumpus hit the nail on the head with his post, and actually makes me want to go break out my copy of Operation Flashpoint in the next few days to give it a go with my friends, again, now that all of the systems in my room are more than enough powerful to run it. Smile

xxxx · Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 7:28 pm Post subject:

Sorry but what you guys do not seem to understand, I have and continue to refuse to buy a game, $60 that I cannot run as designed and recommended or damn close enough, such as disabled Shadows and AA. So do lots of others. Have they shown you screenshots of what the game looks like with all settings literally turned off? No.. There's a reason, cuz it would look 10x worse and not up to par. It ruins the intended experience. Gfx may be a side thing I agree and gameplay sure, it's definitely most important. But if I am gonna play a game like Crysis I'd personally want to see it with decent settings not crap or shitloads of missing things. Your comments Stumpus merely highlight what 'you' will tolerate and perhaps djRom. We'll see if their global sales reflect what they hoped. I still believe Crysis = Farcry in terms of sales and popularity. Everyone says oh FC is the best its the best blah blah, until you get on to find a server and it lags, sound sucks or there is literally no one playing.. Yeah FC is the best.. best over-inflated game of all time. The singleplayer was nothing special to me either.

Ur very last comment Stumpus obviously went over your head. I meant, would you pay the same to go to a movie and watch Rush Hour 3 or Star Wars in black and white and only sound coming from one speaker? I agree Laurel and Hardy in B&W great, but that was how it was INTENDED to be.

I already know Crysis will look and play like $hit on a 7600 but they don't want to tell you that, they just want to tell you yeah it will run on old PC's... I am not interested. WHEN I can play it, I will buy it. And if SP is bad, MP will be even worse for those with inadequate machines.

Sabot · Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 8:59 pm Post subject:

I know what you're talking about xxxx re; B&W films, that's why i stuck out the tongue.
Put it this way, that's what makes the PC what it is today; the ability for a dev to put in content that grows with your machine.
Take the XBox for eg, every game looks the like it's made by the same dev! (same gameplay (A-B) ,graphics that are nothing to shout about etc) Because it has limits. Graphics and it's hardware are maxed out always It's always pushing it's envelope and of course it's not upgradeable.
In Halo2 you loaded levels with complete missing textures! It would load and draw right before your eyes! (that's an example)
Ah Draw distances, now they are a joke on any console compaired to a PC.
When i play games on a PC and it has sheds loads of options i'm in heaven! Regardless if i can play them or not at full settings, it's there to tease me and to look forward to. Why else do we own/build PCs if not to upgrade them??
Console games don't and will never do that to you...is what i'm saying
The PC is your flexible friend! Lol

xxxx · Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 9:33 pm Post subject:

Sabot · Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:59 pm Post subject:

xxxx i'm an old gamer, 43years old. So we don't need to go down the route of, "longer than most of you if not ALL of you".
I've been gaming since 1976. Can we say 'original Pong' Lol
But hey we're all different and we all have opinions -that's humans. As long as your happy with what your choice of games platform that's the main thing.
I just love the PC -yes it's a cash-cow to most folks- but so is a pub and smoking cigarettes! Neither of which i do. So i only upgrade my 'cash-cow' maybe once a year and that's hardly a bank balance buster. Considering smoking 20 a day in the uk costs a person nearly £2,000 per year!!!
God knows what folks spend in pubs daily/weekly plus the cost of smoking! You could be buying a whole new machine every 6 months easily. Shocked

People are bleeding money hand-over-fist, but fail to see it because it's a habit. The PC -in relative terms- costs not very much when you take into account what you spend on car ownership,daily fuel and other luxuries that we take for granted.

djRom · Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 7:28 am Post subject:

Wow...Umm...Yeah, I'm 20. I've been gaming since umm I guess 89. And I totally agree with the statement, thats how I justify my dj equipment splurges (though I am addicted to black crack...vinyl records..haha).

Sabot · Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 9:14 pm Post subject:

xxxx · Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 3:03 am Post subject:

Sabot · Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject:

xxxx i'm just 'set in my ways', i just want the CD versions to have and to hold and play on my Pioneer Hi-Fi. That way i can rip the whole album into MP3 for my portable player. I'm not interested in individual tracks like some of you guys may be, so downloading a whole album (of what i own) in MP3 format costs me more than buying a CD.

Besides we don't have the room for a record deck (to play vinyl) nor the time to spend converting it digitaly (yes i own an old Sony deck but it's under about 16years worth of stuff!!)

That's the way i am -same goes for downloading games; I wont do it as long as i can physicaly buy a hard copy.
As i said, your different and i'm different but it needn't need a dissection of each others quotes should it?
It's not that i'm one of those 'stuck in the past' folk. Far from it! Our house is a technoheads dream and i love nothing more than hands-on stuff and doing what the average 'joe' doesn't. That's what makes us different, not following the rat race.
For eg i'm right into nitro trucks along with my mate -i got him into it from a hobby i've had since approx 1982 and also mountain biking for leisure. But my workmates just pub,smoke and go watch/scream & shout at football matches.
Like that's fun when your a teenager and still arsing around! But when your in your 40's?!?! These guys are going to be dead before they are mid 60 years old!
I enjoy hill walking also (approx 2,800ft hills) That's one place you wont find the average 'joe' Lol.
He'll never get to look over some of your own countries most spectacular views and smells of the cleanest air that you can get -short of hanging your head out a plane at ##,000ft Wink

Good de-stresser for everyday life too.
DO something different that you enjoy, not what the 'rat race' masses do
Cool