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ggrobot · Elite Member Joined: 28 May 2004 Posts: 45802

Intel's upcoming Core i5-12400 uot;Alder Lake-Suot; processor could be an interesting piece of silicon. Apparently, not all 12th Gen Core i5 desktop chips have the same core-configuration. While the top Core i5-12600K is expected to have six uot;Golden Coveuot; P cores and four uot;Gracemontuot; E-cores, so

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Csimbi · Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2021 11:35 am Post subject:

Looks good on paper.
Remains to be seen in real life.
A USD220 price tag is not bad at all, but as you said, most people will want the 'K' series with an unlocked multiplier.
4GHz is not a whole lot. I expected >=6GHz.
Power consumption is higher than I expected.
Let's see what the price tag on the K series will be and what power they require.

Samsung is prepping 2 nanometer chips for 2025.
Where is Intel?

gx-x · Elite Member Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 2543

Ryzen 3700X post ~5000 score in CB20, it was a <300 eur CPU, going at ~320 eur atm.

As for single threaded performance, AMD was never that good with that (not bad but not Intel)

Csimbi · Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 2:58 pm Post subject:

gx-x · Elite Member Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 2543

there is no 2nm "desktop" process, or any 2nm fab process, for now. They are not the same thing for mobile chips and desktop chips due to power requirements, among other things.

edit: also, different fabs process wafers differently and yields are different. Most common example would be Intels' 14nm vs TSMC 14nm in which Intels' is more comparable to TSMCs' 10nm due to efficiency and density. Basically, First Zen, was worse efficiency wise compared to Intels' 14nm. Zen+ @10nm was more comparable to Intel yet still behind in raw performance. We know have Rocket Lake in 14nm successfully competing with 7nm from TSMC.
So the "nano-meters" is only one dimension of the chip manufacturing process.

Csimbi · Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 5:02 pm Post subject:

gx-x · Elite Member Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 2543

Intel is on track don't worry. Their toilet paper is still better for gaming than any AMD.

PS. AMD has done CPUs on 7nm already starting with Zen 3, and will go on 5nm with Zen 4 (AM5) and it's great that they have moved Intel from the sleep. Problem is, AMD is going to compete for fab slots with the world while Intel, having shit ton of money is making two more state of the art fabs and wont compete for slots with anyone Wink

Csimbi · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:20 pm Post subject:

Samsung might suck (I would not know, I never had a Samsung device in my life), but the 2nm is coming.
It's only a matter of time for TSMC to build its 2nm production lines and by the time they are done, AMD will have the design to print on them.

Sabot · Posted: Thu Oct 14, 2021 7:59 pm Post subject:

gx-x · Elite Member Joined: 02 Jul 2007 Posts: 2543

Their stuff is good, but not the best, at least not in the phone market. Their best stuff doesn't use their chips. Their chips are good, just not as good.