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The GTX 980 Ti, 980, 970 and the 960 are all great cards, though unfortunately most of them cost well over $300. The GTX 960 is the cheapest Maxwell GPU worth buying but at $200 it's still too pricey for many gamers. That's where the new Nvidia GeForce GTX 950 steps in, replacing the GTX 750 Ti as the new $150 GP
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| come game on pc with a piece of shit video card or just forget about gaming on a pc and go grab yourself a console that costs the same price as a video card you should be buying. |
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you can game on radeon 270X or with radeon 285 just fine @200$ or under. gtx960 is also an option, they can be found fo 170ish $.
I am talking about gaming @1080p, which is not upscaled. |
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Yes because I want a very limited # of dumbed-down released games retarded only to 1080p with outdated hardware further increasing the retardation. Face it: you lost that argument a loonnng time ago with your 5-7 year fixed h/w released in a world where innovations happen every few frick'n months. In the REAL tech world, a year is too long... In the REAL WORLD, our boxes actually play games AND can make us money at the same time if we so desired. Go back to kindergarten with those kiddie boxes of yours, I hear they work well at the cottage with the drunken d00ds all hammered playing their la la games o joy!  |
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| Tom wrote: | | come game on pc with a piece of shit video card or just forget about gaming on a pc and go grab yourself a console that costs the same price as a video card you should be buying. |
Try getting 41 fps in TW3 on high settings on your console. Oh wait, you can't use high settings.
A 750Ti is faster than the GPU in the xbone and not much slower than a PS4. I game quite happily at 1920x1200 with one. |
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| gx-x wrote: | you can game on radeon 270X or with radeon 285 just fine @200$ or under. gtx960 is also an option, they can be found fo 170ish $.
I am talking about gaming @1080p, which is not upscaled. |
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| Financially speaking, a console makes way more sense for gaming than a PC. Nobody gives a fuck about 30fps or 90fps. If the games are smooth and play well, that's all that matter. Only an ignorant fucking PC user will use that as their supposed promotion. I for one am not buying a piece of shit $200 video card, so I can regret it later when I want to up the graphics. How many suckers will fall for the 950? Then they are stuck with a hunk of shit and have to go buy a real video card. Add up the cost.. the old shit card and the new one. Well Nvidia or AMD will be happy for sure eh. Don't even try and tell me these articles aren't anything more than a sales driver for those 2 companies. Only a fucking idiot will buy a 950. It isn't worth the measly savings. Buy a 960 or 970. If they are too expensive, wait for a sale. |
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Tom, 30 fps is not smooth compared to 60, you can deny that all you want, but it's a fact. It's so obvious that once the FPS drops from 60 to 30 in game you feel like it dropped to 10.
| Quote: | | Only a fucking [censored] will buy a 950. It isn't worth the measly savings. Buy a 960 or 970. If they are too expensive, wait for a sale. |
With this I sort of agree. 150$ for gtx950? It's a joke. People were looking for 950 to replace 750Ti for their living room htpc's. They got a dual slot dual cooler "monster" that is not what they were looking for.
Performance wise, buy a used card that is still covered by warranty for 150$ and you will be getting something like gtx960 or AMD 270x almost brand new. I saw r9 285's going for as low as ~130$ (no warranty) and ~160 with 1 year warranty...
gtx970 is overpriced as shit. |
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| gx-x wrote: | Tom, 30 fps is not smooth compared to 60, you can deny that all you want, but it's a fact. It's so obvious that once the FPS drops from 60 to 30 in game you feel like it dropped to 10.
| Quote: | | Only a fucking [censored] will buy a 950. It isn't worth the measly savings. Buy a 960 or 970. If they are too expensive, wait for a sale. |
With this I sort of agree. 150$ for gtx950? It's a joke. People were looking for 950 to replace 750Ti for their living room htpc's. They got a dual slot dual cooler "monster" that is not what they were looking for.
Performance wise, buy a used card that is still covered by warranty for 150$ and you will be getting something like gtx960 or AMD 270x almost brand new. I saw r9 285's going for as low as ~130$ (no warranty) and ~160 with 1 year warranty...
gtx970 is overpriced as shit. |
It's not that it's just overpriced, it's $150 and when you realize it's a hunk of shit, that's just $150 you paid you'll never get back. Add that to the cost of the new card you buy.. Surprise surprise you are over $400. Gee that should help Nvidia just fine. Sorry I don't buy someones used card with absolutely no idea what they've done to it. I'll never waste my money on a used video card. Ever. Yes, 970 and up is all overpriced man. It's gouging. You are paying for tech invented years ago that sat on a fucking shelf while Nvidia and ATI bled their even older tech. Nvidia and AMD aren't out for PC gaming, they are out to make as much money off fools as they can. They can always rely on some shit review site to try and justify buying their overpriced video cards. They hurt PC gaming, they don't help it.
I bought a 960, it cost me $150. It replaced my 560 which is now in one of my HTPC's. Worst purchase I ever made. I paid the price because I didn't care to read a million reviews and tally and evaluate the BS in the reviews. It was on sale and I said, F it, gotta be better than my 560. And it really isn't. I tried to sell it and I get lowballed all over the place. Yippe I can sell it for $100, lose $50 + taxes and use that $100 towards a new card. 2 months old and purchased on sale and they want it for $100. Haha! F it, for now I play Med-Hi quality with stuff turned off. I'll wait for a sale, put the 960 in another one of my PC's eventually. When a game warrants a new card.
If prices don't come down, I'll buy an Xbone. As it is, games are so stupidly expensive along with those fucking lame websites trying to reason and explain why they are high.. Oh games have been cheap for a long time and unrealistically priced. Ya, and they ripped away the box, the media, the manuals and you charge $80 for a game and I download it on my internet I also pay for. Go f yourself. Anyone that wants to say a game is worth $80+ is a fucking idiot. My game buy has gone down so much, I barely remember the last time I bought a game. Battlefront will probably be the next game and what are they charging? Oh $70+. |
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how is 960 not better than 560? That's just insane. It twice as fast at least. Maybe you are having some other issues other than speed? I'd take it off your hands for 150$ in a heartbeat. (new ones are ~240€ in my country, used ones with warranty are ~200€, that's ~220$ USD for a used card with one year warranty)
As for used cards, it doesn't really matter what user did with it if it works and has warranty. If it dies - you will get another, new. If it is faulty - same thing, RMA it.
You can't do anything that the card can't do anyway. Especially with nVidia since they never mined any poopcoins. |
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| Tom wrote: | | gx-x wrote: | Tom, 30 fps is not smooth compared to 60, you can deny that all you want, but it's a fact. It's so obvious that once the FPS drops from 60 to 30 in game you feel like it dropped to 10.
| Quote: | | Only a fucking [censored] will buy a 950. It isn't worth the measly savings. Buy a 960 or 970. If they are too expensive, wait for a sale. |
With this I sort of agree. 150$ for gtx950? It's a joke. People were looking for 950 to replace 750Ti for their living room htpc's. They got a dual slot dual cooler "monster" that is not what they were looking for.
Performance wise, buy a used card that is still covered by warranty for 150$ and you will be getting something like gtx960 or AMD 270x almost brand new. I saw r9 285's going for as low as ~130$ (no warranty) and ~160 with 1 year warranty...
gtx970 is overpriced as shit. |
It's not that it's just overpriced, it's $150 and when you realize it's a hunk of shit, that's just $150 you paid you'll never get back. Add that to the cost of the new card you buy.. Surprise surprise you are over $400. Gee that should help Nvidia just fine. Sorry I don't buy someones used card with absolutely no idea what they've done to it. I'll never waste my money on a used video card. Ever. Yes, 970 and up is all overpriced man. It's gouging. You are paying for tech invented years ago that sat on a fucking shelf while Nvidia and ATI bled their even older tech. Nvidia and AMD aren't out for PC gaming, they are out to make as much money off fools as they can. They can always rely on some shit review site to try and justify buying their overpriced video cards. They hurt PC gaming, they don't help it.
I bought a 960, it cost me $150. It replaced my 560 which is now in one of my HTPC's. Worst purchase I ever made. I paid the price because I didn't care to read a million reviews and tally and evaluate the BS in the reviews. It was on sale and I said, F it, gotta be better than my 560. And it really isn't. I tried to sell it and I get lowballed all over the place. Yippe I can sell it for $100, lose $50 + taxes and use that $100 towards a new card. 2 months old and purchased on sale and they want it for $100. Haha! F it, for now I play Med-Hi quality with stuff turned off. I'll wait for a sale, put the 960 in another one of my PC's eventually. When a game warrants a new card.
If prices don't come down, I'll buy an Xbone. As it is, games are so stupidly expensive along with those fucking lame websites trying to reason and explain why they are high.. Oh games have been cheap for a long time and unrealistically priced. Ya, and they ripped away the box, the media, the manuals and you charge $80 for a game and I download it on my internet I also pay for. Go f yourself. Anyone that wants to say a game is worth $80+ is a fucking [censored]. My game buy has gone down so much, I barely remember the last time I bought a game. Battlefront will probably be the next game and what are they charging? Oh $70+. |
Dude you are unrealistically stupid or you've poorly thought out your argument.
I'm a developer so let me tell you the other side of the story if it never dawned on you.
People expect today's games to have better graphics then yesterdays game for the same price. It takes a stupid amount of time to make it look better, and better, and better. And for the same price? Are you retarded?
What about inflation bro? You know what that is? Today $60 is not worth the same as it was 10 years ago. Developers would like you know, to get raises. You know, like in every other industry. So that they could do stuff like PAY THEIR BILLS.
Everyone always thinks it's about corporate greed, sometimes it really is, most of the time it's not. Making better games costs more money, inflation rises, people want raises. Use your fucking head. |
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| gx-x wrote: | how is 960 not better than 560? That's just insane. It twice as fast at least. Maybe you are having some other issues other than speed? I'd take it off your hands for 150$ in a heartbeat. (new ones are ~240€ in my country, used ones with warranty are ~200€, that's ~220$ USD for a used card with one year warranty)
As for used cards, it doesn't really matter what user did with it if it works and has warranty. If it dies - you will get another, new. If it is faulty - same thing, RMA it.
You can't do anything that the card can't do anyway. Especially with nVidia since they never mined any poopcoins. |
that's it exactly, I don't want to be bothered with RMA. I saved $100 on the video card. It was regular $250. It doesn't seem to perform any better than my 560. 2 striking things I realized later. 256Bit Memory bus vs 128bit on the 960 and Memory bandwidth 112GB/s vs 560 with 121GB/s. That's the difference. It's not much better in fact it's negligible. I have a Asrock Extreme3 Gen3 and my RAM is Mushkin and the fastest the board can take. In a lot of cases especially at 1920x1080, I gain a measly 9fps. When I play BF I can barely even notice I have a new card.
I'm due for an upgrade overall soon anyway I guess. |
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| The GTX 580 I bought 4 years ago still beats half of those cards. |
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| Genoism wrote: | | Tom wrote: | | gx-x wrote: | Tom, 30 fps is not smooth compared to 60, you can deny that all you want, but it's a fact. It's so obvious that once the FPS drops from 60 to 30 in game you feel like it dropped to 10.
| Quote: | | Only a fucking [censored] will buy a 950. It isn't worth the measly savings. Buy a 960 or 970. If they are too expensive, wait for a sale. |
With this I sort of agree. 150$ for gtx950? It's a joke. People were looking for 950 to replace 750Ti for their living room htpc's. They got a dual slot dual cooler "monster" that is not what they were looking for.
Performance wise, buy a used card that is still covered by warranty for 150$ and you will be getting something like gtx960 or AMD 270x almost brand new. I saw r9 285's going for as low as ~130$ (no warranty) and ~160 with 1 year warranty...
gtx970 is overpriced as shit. |
It's not that it's just overpriced, it's $150 and when you realize it's a hunk of shit, that's just $150 you paid you'll never get back. Add that to the cost of the new card you buy.. Surprise surprise you are over $400. Gee that should help Nvidia just fine. Sorry I don't buy someones used card with absolutely no idea what they've done to it. I'll never waste my money on a used video card. Ever. Yes, 970 and up is all overpriced man. It's gouging. You are paying for tech invented years ago that sat on a fucking shelf while Nvidia and ATI bled their even older tech. Nvidia and AMD aren't out for PC gaming, they are out to make as much money off fools as they can. They can always rely on some shit review site to try and justify buying their overpriced video cards. They hurt PC gaming, they don't help it.
I bought a 960, it cost me $150. It replaced my 560 which is now in one of my HTPC's. Worst purchase I ever made. I paid the price because I didn't care to read a million reviews and tally and evaluate the BS in the reviews. It was on sale and I said, F it, gotta be better than my 560. And it really isn't. I tried to sell it and I get lowballed all over the place. Yippe I can sell it for $100, lose $50 + taxes and use that $100 towards a new card. 2 months old and purchased on sale and they want it for $100. Haha! F it, for now I play Med-Hi quality with stuff turned off. I'll wait for a sale, put the 960 in another one of my PC's eventually. When a game warrants a new card.
If prices don't come down, I'll buy an Xbone. As it is, games are so stupidly expensive along with those fucking lame websites trying to reason and explain why they are high.. Oh games have been cheap for a long time and unrealistically priced. Ya, and they ripped away the box, the media, the manuals and you charge $80 for a game and I download it on my internet I also pay for. Go f yourself. Anyone that wants to say a game is worth $80+ is a fucking [censored]. My game buy has gone down so much, I barely remember the last time I bought a game. Battlefront will probably be the next game and what are they charging? Oh $70+. |
Dude you are unrealistically stupid or you've poorly thought out your argument.
I'm a developer so let me tell you the other side of the story if it never dawned on you.
People expect today's games to have better graphics then yesterdays game for the same price. It takes a stupid amount of time to make it look better, and better, and better. And for the same price? Are you retarded?
What about inflation bro? You know what that is? Today $60 is not worth the same as it was 10 years ago. Developers would like you know, to get raises. You know, like in every other industry. So that they could do stuff like PAY THEIR BILLS.
Everyone always thinks it's about corporate greed, sometimes it really is, most of the time it's not. Making better games costs more money, inflation rises, people want raises. Use your fucking head. |
Hahaha listen to this guy. Bud you make me laugh. Better games? Where?!?!?! I just see the same shit over and over again with a new fucking skin job. If any games are good these days it's the indie games. Fuck EA and Origin, Activision etc. Ripoff artists who just regurgitate the same fucking code and throw a few different DirectX implementations in. And then what? DX9. Ya DX9, outdated shit. Inflation?.. go fuck yourself. Oh ya, 7 years later we realize we forgot inflation and jack the prices. Convenient. Or use that as an excuse to fund overpaid developers. Where is the inflation ripping away the box, manuals, cd?! Remember back then when they said it cost them lots of money to include this stuff and it was a means to cut prices to reduce that stuff. Ya it was all bullshit. Fuck that. No the industry is fucking greedy when they already make a fuck load of money. Or how about the financial hit they take when they put out junk? Gotta make up for that huh? Game industry is a joke as are the fucking pussy ass devs we have these days. Lots of salary for jack shit. When DX12 games start rolling out consecutively, then I could see prices jump but to pay for old DX9 games and upgraded engines for $80. fuck off.
You can play your violin all you want, I was a dev too, late 80's and part of the 90's. But back then we made great games and I was involved in decent titles. It was about making games and sure profit, but given the game was good it easily made lots of profit. I got paid decently back then too, can't complain. Not today, it's about maximizing the buck, putting out half-titles and then expansion this and addon that. It's BS game making designed only to gouge gamers. Nowadays they actually sit there with a completed title and negotiate what to keep in the game and what to resell as an addon. That's how the game industry works. |
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| Genoism wrote: | | Tom wrote: | | gx-x wrote: | Tom, 30 fps is not smooth compared to 60, you can deny that all you want, but it's a fact. It's so obvious that once the FPS drops from 60 to 30 in game you feel like it dropped to 10.
| Quote: | | Only a fucking [censored] will buy a 950. It isn't worth the measly savings. Buy a 960 or 970. If they are too expensive, wait for a sale. |
With this I sort of agree. 150$ for gtx950? It's a joke. People were looking for 950 to replace 750Ti for their living room htpc's. They got a dual slot dual cooler "monster" that is not what they were looking for.
Performance wise, buy a used card that is still covered by warranty for 150$ and you will be getting something like gtx960 or AMD 270x almost brand new. I saw r9 285's going for as low as ~130$ (no warranty) and ~160 with 1 year warranty...
gtx970 is overpriced as shit. |
It's not that it's just overpriced, it's $150 and when you realize it's a hunk of shit, that's just $150 you paid you'll never get back. Add that to the cost of the new card you buy.. Surprise surprise you are over $400. Gee that should help Nvidia just fine. Sorry I don't buy someones used card with absolutely no idea what they've done to it. I'll never waste my money on a used video card. Ever. Yes, 970 and up is all overpriced man. It's gouging. You are paying for tech invented years ago that sat on a fucking shelf while Nvidia and ATI bled their even older tech. Nvidia and AMD aren't out for PC gaming, they are out to make as much money off fools as they can. They can always rely on some shit review site to try and justify buying their overpriced video cards. They hurt PC gaming, they don't help it.
I bought a 960, it cost me $150. It replaced my 560 which is now in one of my HTPC's. Worst purchase I ever made. I paid the price because I didn't care to read a million reviews and tally and evaluate the BS in the reviews. It was on sale and I said, F it, gotta be better than my 560. And it really isn't. I tried to sell it and I get lowballed all over the place. Yippe I can sell it for $100, lose $50 + taxes and use that $100 towards a new card. 2 months old and purchased on sale and they want it for $100. Haha! F it, for now I play Med-Hi quality with stuff turned off. I'll wait for a sale, put the 960 in another one of my PC's eventually. When a game warrants a new card.
If prices don't come down, I'll buy an Xbone. As it is, games are so stupidly expensive along with those fucking lame websites trying to reason and explain why they are high.. Oh games have been cheap for a long time and unrealistically priced. Ya, and they ripped away the box, the media, the manuals and you charge $80 for a game and I download it on my internet I also pay for. Go f yourself. Anyone that wants to say a game is worth $80+ is a fucking [censored]. My game buy has gone down so much, I barely remember the last time I bought a game. Battlefront will probably be the next game and what are they charging? Oh $70+. |
Dude you are unrealistically stupid or you've poorly thought out your argument.
I'm a developer so let me tell you the other side of the story if it never dawned on you.
People expect today's games to have better graphics then yesterdays game for the same price. It takes a stupid amount of time to make it look better, and better, and better. And for the same price? Are you retarded?
What about inflation bro? You know what that is? Today $60 is not worth the same as it was 10 years ago. Developers would like you know, to get raises. You know, like in every other industry. So that they could do stuff like PAY THEIR BILLS.
Everyone always thinks it's about corporate greed, sometimes it really is, most of the time it's not. Making better games costs more money, inflation rises, people want raises. Use your fucking head. |
Sorry man but you argument isn't truthful. You have way better tools at your disposal today. Engines like UE3/4 , Cryengine etc. They have a lot of assets already build into them so level designers can jump to work from day one. Computers are faster, coding is streamlined etc. I'd bet my ballz that it is easier for a coder to make a game today than it was 10 years ago so yea, you are expect to make a better looking game within a same timeframe. You are payed as much as you would be 10 years ago, if not more, and user base for sales is larger than it was 10 years ago, and publishers save on boxes and whatnot.
Without knowing a damn thing about using UE3 engine, I got my hands on student version and fiddled around a bit and created some stuff that actually works. And I am a graphics designer, a photoshop and illustrator with zero affinity and skills in coding.
Either today's coders are far less educated/skilled than coders were 15 years ago (yes, not everyone is John Carmack, I know that), or they are just using the wrong tools (or even worse, lazy).
When I look at some AAA titles out there that work good, look good, and compare them with some others that cost more, don't look as good, don't work at all (as in, they are released but they are really a mess not even worthy of the name "alpha"), I wonder how come?
Higher price tag is not justified at all. The Witcher was never 80$ and was always better (technologically) than anything else out there. Same goes for Crysis.
Now if you want to try and tell me that Frostbyte dudes that recycle assets and models and pretty much everything for years, deserve 80$ for the same game they already sold me last year - well, cool, but I say they can shove it up their asses. |
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