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ering-architect-details-his-dream-specs-for/\uot;revealed their Wishlist for next generation consoles (PS4 and Xbox 360): PCs.\' To Andersson, the answer is \uot;pretty easy to answer.\uot;

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[Kompressor]

So to sum up, Dice' dream specs for the next-gen console would be to make it as much as a high-end gaming PC as possible. Really? I thought it would be better if it had a small amount of ram and a slow CPU/GPU.

Useless article.

[psolord]

Here's my wishlist.

Fuck consoles. Cancel them and let them go to hell for trying to imitate PCs.

[th4t1guy]

Dice's dream console should have a separate processor dedicated to rendering bloom and blurring effects.

[Sabot]

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[Kompressor]

There were computers and computer games long before pong.

Game consoles and console games & apps get patched all the time.

A gaming console and a computer (or gaming PC) are the exact same thing. There are no fundamental differences. Although, a console is made to be inexpensive and the operating system and games are optimized for that exact hardware, because everyone that has that console has that exact same hardware (or equivalent), which is a pro when price is concerned, but a con is that the hardware is not upgradable and is not powerful enough to run a modern, flexible OS to do tasks other than gaming.

One isn't necessarily better than the other, they are two different things. I have both. I use my high-end gaming PC to play highly graphical games like Battlefield 3 and StarCraft II, and I use my console to play simple games like Ono card game or Sonic the Hedgehog, and stream movies to my TV via Netflix.

[gx-x]

ok I get it, but what's the point? PC gets console ports in most cases of AAA titles, making PC inefficient even when it has 5x more power than the console from witch the title came from. It's not the PC's fault, it's software. That's my point.
Just look at Crysis games, they run fine, look good (the BEST) and sell good. Even the last console one is just fine, unlike some other games like BF3 witch looks worse, runs worse etc.

My point is, nothing is wrong with PC and OS, applications that come to it can be crap. As long as they can fix it (applications) they just prove my point - they did bad job on the application in the first place.

[Sabot]

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[Tom]

Topic is not even worth discussing. It's like a fucking broken record here. I always liked PC over console but console are more affordable and less hassle than a PC. Who give a rats fucking ass if I have to update firmware. Ya sure Sony sucks major ass and strips features away, that does not equate the who landscape of console. Sony is retards and everyone knows it. But everyone with a fucking brain knows that console comes first and pc is a distant second. Suck on it, because that is the reality.

And whoever said, I don't install patches etc on their windows. Well you are a fucking moron. Games are tested against the latest Service Packs and just because you have a firewall means jack shit, if code in a application can be exploited a firewall and malware ain't gonna do jack shit most of the time. And I'll bet this same fucking moron is on the PC game site whining his game doesn't work. ffs.

[Kompressor]

Yes, Sony does suck ass, and yes, that guy is an ignorant idiot for not installing patches.

[gx-x]

I do install patches when I see it fit. I don't install automatically and I don't install every crap out there. I don't use IE or bitdefender or some crap like that and most patches fix those and crap related to those things and it's not fucking important at all! I am far from ignorant when it comes to computers or electronics in general.

and as for sony - sure, it's more affordable, on Mars perhaps. More affordable compared to what? Show me a 60fps 1080p (not upscaled from internal 720p!!!) good looking game that is also available for PC (so we can compare them) and I will yield. Yea, right. There is no such game. You get what you pay for, and I seriously don't know what would I expect from a 500$ crapware other than GT5 for 100$ fucking dollars which isn't that great either. Stupid Forza racing is better than that, and personaly I like NFS shift (1) better than both. Yes, I have played them, extensively if I may add. There is NOTHING that PS3 has to offer that would make me buy it for ANY price. Not a dollar. It would just collect dust.

There's just bunch of n00bs that don't know how to properly use and maintain their PC so we end up in the stupid spin story about how consoles are played on 55" TVs and PC on monitors, how consoles are great because they don't need constant patches like PC does etc. That's all just bullshit. My father has a laptop for over 5 years now, never updated anything, everything works. Never reinstalled windows. He just uses it for what he needs it and it works well. Updates and bloatware together with the stuff you don't need makes your PC crap, it's your own fault.

here, I just built this:
i3 2100 SB CPU
gigabyte z68 mobo
gtx 460 1gb
1tb hdd
cheap case and PSU
cheap keyboard and mice
logitech rumble pad 2

total: ~450e. All is new and warrantied.
It runs everything in 1080p on max or high details and everything runs above 30fps, everything looks better than on $ony or m$ xblock. It can play ALL movies, music etc. It's hooked to a 40" LCDTV. So take your consoles and stick them were the Sun doesn't shine. They are just overpriced plastic crap that suck your money via overpriced games.

Deal with it.

[Sabot]

Look i aint going on and on about this, PC or console doesn't matter. To play on PC it requires an internet connection. This was fucking ALIEN when HL2 first came out, it was like "WTF i can't play this pc game before ACTIVATING it????"
Forums FULL of angry punters who couldn't activate because the system had crashed or owners that just DIDN'T have an internet connection.
It never worked for me and i had to wait nearly 2 days to activate.
Point is it is NORMAL now for nigh on every PC game to have an internet connection to bloody play it- LEGALLY.
Security is for for blu-Ray on PS3 and blu-ray players. I have 2 dedicated blu-ray players in my house and they automaticaly update firmware. They don't play games obviously.
Same shit that M$ shovel out for their OS or devs churn out for their games on PC. I honestly don't see why you can't understand it? It's soo obvious the connection between the two formats.
I grew out of the playground, "my toy is better than yours", and would rather talk about the bonus that hardware has in MY life and how it makes it more enjoyable etc.
I couldn't give a flying fuck about resolution or frame rate, as long as the game is GOOD, and isn't full of shit failed boasts, be it on 3DS,PSP,PS3 or PC. All of which i own.
This about a conversation, of sorts, about blatant denial that the PC is something that works out the box and plays games -which it doesn't, without the obligatory patches for hardware (drivers), OS (service packs, security etc) and games. Not to mention that you MUST meet minimum specs to play the game in the first place.
It's a constant cycle. You talk rubbish, it needs baby-sat. It's mish-mash of hardware fighting to work with each other internally. it's not optimised and can't be. That's why games come with OPTION SLIDERS -to fit with the conundrum inside.
The consoles play games, films -3D/Blu-ray/DVD etc. With the minimum of fuss and NO FURTHER OUTLAY-regardless of stone-age opinions of some people here. That is what the main onus is about.
To think they produce excellent visual games like ME3, Two Worlds II, Batman Arkham City on 256mb internal and 256mb graphic, Even in 3D. it's nothing short of amazing! That is true optimisation and shows what a cash-cow the PC is.
Sure graphics are sharper and it's smoother on PC but it's NOT worth the hardware price tag in a million years.
Shows how young you are, for example in XP you used to 'clean boot' regularly to unload the bloat to play games best that you could. This was the norm btw.
Anyway, enough said.
It shows such insecurity when folks attack consoles when ever PCs are mentioned. They don't affect your real life do they? Why the annimosity??

I used to be in that boat years ago. Fuck i'm a millionaire now that i binned upgrading and spending thousands per year on my PC addiction.
Here's some facts for you what my hobby used to cost me 20+years ago:
256mb EDO RAM cost me 400
a matrox mystique 4mb cost 140
a x4 DVD writer cost 220
Processors were upgraded annualy along with more RAM then every two years was a system build.
You get fuck-all back on selling second hand HW.

The PC is like a cigarette addiction, you can't be without it and you always need the next HW fix to talk about FPS or graphics.
It's a topic for a lonely forum world.. No one today gives a fuck about PC gaming. It's tablets,phones, hand helds and consoles.
No one gives a shit about how a PS3 or XBox works, as long as you buy a game, play instantly against millions around the world for an hour or with your mates, then fuck off down the pub for a drink and then back for a movie or more gaming on them.
That's facts

If i attack 20 enemy on the screen in a game on PS3, your going to attack the SAME 20 enemy on PC, yet it costs hundreds more for you to play that same game.
It's pathetic if you ask me.
Here's an editable list of games on console(s) that run @60fps
http://www.giantbomb.com/60-fps-on-consoles/92-3223/

FYI, since a PC isn't stable in performance, it will output a VARIABLE fps on many different configs -obviously. It can peak at several hundred fps but drop to double figures just as easily. So PCs can't be quoted as running at over 60fps as a whole. since hardware and the game will dictate that.
I would rather have stability over that choice.
Also to play fast gaming requires a very good TV. No point outputting 200fps when your TV is running 60Hz,120Hz and it's 5-8ms responce. The lag will be crap.
I have a plasma outputting 600Hz since it doesn't require LCDs to switch on/off it's perfect for fast PC or console gaming in standard and 3D.
It also has frame-creation mode, this buffers out broadcast tv,games,films and presents them in a fluid LIVE (as if it was filmed live as if it was happening in front of your eyes) Suffers ZERO flicker/tearing no lag and zero 3D cross-talk and 60fps per eye on active glasses.

Sooo much more to gaming than just an impotent word called PC, as always.

[gx-x]

well, then we agree to disagree I guess. I don't have SP1 for windows 7, I don't use stupid updates, just those that I see that I might need (and that's rarely the case), I don't update GPU drivers (or GPU) every time there is a new one available (if it ain't broken - don't fix it!) and I guess I almost always play pirated games so I don't have problems with activation or other shit. Funny, I play pirated games mostly BECAUSE all of that crap in the first place.
Also, PC ain't a console. You need to meet min. requirements to play games. Those are usually set so low that even if you do meet them barely you might not even be able to enjoy the game. But at least YOU CAN upgrade unlike the console. And it doesn't cost much to upgrade to a decent level of performance that can last for years. If you don't care about resolution and graphics as long as the game is good, then apply the same standards when it comes to PC gaming. Get a 50$ GPU and play games in 1024x768, that's what PS3 and X-Box usually internally render, and even nVidia gts240 can handle that without a sweat.
But the problem here is obviously with people having different standards when they talk about PC gaming and console gaming. Consoles are good, nothing matters, who cares, but on PC, oh boy, you need 400$ GPU, 500$ CPU etc. Ultimate hypocrisy.