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Is Chrome Poised to Pass Firefox in 2011? [31708]
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 12:29 am    Post subject: Is Chrome Poised to Pass Firefox in 2011? [31708] Reply with quote

s continue unchanged, Chrome could just possibly pass Internet Explorer in 2012 to become the world’s most popular browser.

s as measured by the Ireland-based Web statistics firm\'s analytics tools hold up, Chrome will pass Mozilla\'s Firefox sometime in December and trail only Microsoft\'s Internet Explorer (IE)

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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... according to StatCounter. If trends as measured by the Ireland-based Web statistics firm's analytics tools hold up...

I am guessing that there are a lot of Firefox users out there that simply block these data-mining sites (via Firefox, hosts file, firewall, etc) - ergo, they are not taken into account.
So, how can you possibly claim such trend when you rely solely on a crapcounter site and hope you get hits?
What a bunch of morons, lol
BTW: why would I even care how the browser that is best in my opinion works? If I am an IE fan, I won't switch to Chrome just because others like it. Same with Firefox. So, what's the point?
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Csimbi wrote:
...So, what's the point?


E-peen? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 7:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For all I care all other internet users could be using some other noobshit browser like spyChrome, dummIEs browser and flOpera.

As a power user, I don't see myself jumping to another browser platform that is better on all fronts than Firefox for a while..

My browser E-peen is over 9000 Razz

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ZOMG Koogle Very Happy

btw. stupid ass Chrome doesn't even (still) have smoothscrolling, it feels like playing a game in 10fps when you scroll and shit.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember when the Chrome team took months from reported beta issue to get press/release and sticky button smoothscroll working. It originally only had one method, and even then they screwed up, because invoking the smoothscroll would make the mouse cursor jump position slightly from where you initiated smoothscrolling. This was after Chrome was out in in public release..

I just don't get how anyone can screw up that kind of development when their biggest market competition is IE, a browser than has had specific stuff like that implemented to an acceptable user experience level for over a decade.

Still I'm surprised by the amount of extension development that has happened for Chrome so far, its been a bit slow, yet there some fairly comparable alternative Firefox extensions to strap onto the Chrome browser.. nothing that would make me switch... as Chrome itself has some awful designed areas and its overal performance when you start using strapons with things like switching tabs. Shows up the flaws that page rendering benchmarks hide, and its really just as bad as IE in UX dumbification, actually no that is too much of an insult to IE, as it least has some semi decent things like sidebar panels for feeds/bookmarks etc.. where cheap ass Chrome goes full retard with lets put everything into a fucking tab, options, downloads, bookmarks, etc , and yet no implemented splitting dual view setup or sidebar) total stupidification design to me really.

If there was no Firefox, I swear I would probably be using Opera or Maxthon2 (because M3 is still shit).
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am actually using opera 11 for a few days and I find it a bit of relief that with same number of tabs opened, after 5-6 hrs it doesn't take over 1GB of ram and slows down like firefox does...oh well, I have some specific problem with firefox since version 4, I can't seem to get rid of it. It just starts clogging up the system and slows down everything. Solution? Open task manager (just that) and problem is gone. :S
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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.oh well, I have some specific problem with firefox since version 4, I can't seem to get rid of it. It just starts clogging up the system and slows down everything. Solution? Open task manager (just that) and problem is gone. :S


I've exactly the same problem Sad (probably since FF 5.x)


sorry to hear that, I know your pain. I still keep firefox as default browser in hope that one day I will find the solution. (windows reinstall didn't help with FF 4 final Sad )
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yea memory usage is a problem with FF. IE9 is ok but it bogs down on facebook games among other things even worse. Chrome isn't ready for prime time. They really should of kept it as a beta of sorts at most and fleshed it out more. Opera is cool but it's not FF.

I just won't take a browser a seriously anymore unless it has adblock and noscript at the least. Addons are a problem as they hog memory and slow down FF but they are worth it imo. Have you guys tried running IE or with your addons disabled? Large difference even with only two installed.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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heretic wrote:
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.oh well, I have some specific problem with firefox since version 4, I can't seem to get rid of it. It just starts clogging up the system and slows down everything. Solution? Open task manager (just that) and problem is gone. :S


I've exactly the same problem Sad (probably since FF 5.x)


sorry to hear that, I know your pain. I still keep firefox as default browser in hope that one day I will find the solution. (windows reinstall didn't help with FF 4 final Sad )


Yeah, I've tried nearly everything, including 'browser.cache.memory.enable == false', reset TCP/IP stack etc, etc ..This bug really driving me crazy..I've already installed Chrome...but it's difficult to switch - plugins FYI, FF 7.01 Win7 Ultimate ENG 64-bit, ESET NOD32 4.x


tried it too. Also tried vacuuming the databases etc etc. Nothing works. My setup is win 7 x64, (not sp1), avira free...I though it was due to AV at first or some virus but checked it all...nothing.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only issue I've ever had with Firefox and bad memory hogging was an old bug in 3.5 (was fixed in 4) and that was some downloads started using firefox own download manager would be stored in ram even though it was written to .part disk file. Would cause crashes on single large files over 1gb, an odd one really.

Otherwise Firefox platform memory usage is great for what it does, and I generally have on average around over 15 tabs open all the time with Fx left open for hours, that's around 500mb taking into account 70+ extensions aswel.. that's acceptable to me, 50tabs is ~700mb of actually memory usage. And slowing down over time? nah don't get that. Though it would be down to page file getting used to make for more free memory if your system was starved of memory while some other app/game was using it.. using Firefox later would require it to hit the pagefile and bring more back into memory before it was working as fast.. like cycling through tabs instantly without any disk caching.

Also some extensions make up for their own tiny memory footprint by reducing stuff not being loaded like adblock & noscript do.

Anyway nothing to really compare here as its site and usage specific, only thing I could say is that Fx7 had more work done on memory/ performance. Personally I wouldn't switch to any other browser even if it offered 70% memory usage cut, it would undoubtedly mean a 70% feature, option, extension and customization cut aswel Laughing

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koogle wrote:
Only issue I've ever had with Firefox and bad memory hogging was an old bug in 3.5 (was fixed in 4) and that was some downloads started using firefox own download manager would be stored in ram even though it was written to .part disk file. Would cause crashes on single large files over 1gb, an odd one really.

Otherwise Firefox platform memory usage is great for what it does, and I generally have on average around over 15 tabs open all the time with Fx left open for hours, that's around 500mb taking into account 70+ extensions aswel.. that's acceptable to me, 50tabs is ~700mb of actually memory usage. And slowing down over time? nah don't get that. Though it would be down to page file getting used to make for more free memory if your system was starved of memory while some other app/game was using it.. using Firefox later would require it to hit the pagefile and bring more back into memory before it was working as fast.. like cycling through tabs instantly without any disk caching.

Also some extensions make up for their own tiny memory footprint by reducing stuff not being loaded like adblock & noscript do.

Anyway nothing to really compare here as its site and usage specific, only thing I could say is that Fx7 had more work done on memory/ performance. Personally I wouldn't switch to any other browser even if it offered 70% memory usage cut, it would undoubtedly mean a 70% feature, option, extension and customization cut aswel Laughing

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...I have adblockplus, grease monkey, hide caption bar and firegestures. That's about it. After closing it and opening it memory usage (same tabs as in the picture above) is ~290MB. I leave it for 8 hrs (I go to sleep) and it reaches 1GB and it does absolutely nothing in that time.
but my real problem is not with memory, I have enough it, but with FF slowing down (like if you would to turn off the smoothscroll and put a celeron 433 procesor instead of a c2d) at random. Like I said, as soon as that happens just open task manager and 1 second later it is back to normal operation.


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Yeah, I've tried nearly everything, including 'browser.cache.memory.enable == false', reset TCP/IP stack etc, etc ..This bug really driving me crazy..I've already installed Chrome...but it's difficult to switch - plugins FYI, FF 7.01 Win7 Ultimate ENG 64-bit, ESET NOD32 4.x



ESET NOD32 4.x, and disabling Firefox plugins (not extensions) like Java, Quicktime etc You could check about:memory and monitor things more like when its getting slow.

Also I have Firefox GPU acceleration disabled (gfx.direct2d.disabled=true) ..Direct2d page acceleration is pointless shit for anyone with a decent CPU at least until the websites start becoming full blown rich media.. its really just asking for troubles as its early days for it, and gpu font rendering even with the options just ain't as good as Windows cleartype GDI imo.
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I leave it for 8 hrs (I go to sleep) and it reaches 1GB and it does absolutely nothing in that time.


What if you left it open with no tabs open? It does look like some sort of memory leak going on.

Have you tried using default theme, disabling greasemonkey( or any general scripts ) ..just using vanilla firefox?

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Like I said, as soon as that happens just open task manager and 1 second later it is back to normal operation.


Oh so not a pagefile issue, well all I can think of is it sounds like gpu issue then, try disabling hardware acceleration for firefox.

Works good for me anyway Very Happy Could always try http://www.palemoon.org/download-ng.shtml
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Yeah, I've tried nearly everything, including 'browser.cache.memory.enable == false', reset TCP/IP stack etc, etc ..This bug really driving me crazy..I've already installed Chrome...but it's difficult to switch - plugins FYI, FF 7.01 Win7 Ultimate ENG 64-bit, ESET NOD32 4.x



ESET NOD32 4.x, and disabling Firefox plugins (not extensions) like Java, Quicktime etc You could check about:memory and monitor things more like when its getting slow.

Also I have Firefox GPU acceleration disabled (gfx.direct2d.disabled=true) ..Direct2d page acceleration is pointless shit for anyone with a decent CPU at least until the websites start becoming full blown rich media.. its really just asking for troubles as its early days for it, and gpu font rendering even with the options just ain't as good as Windows cleartype GDI imo.


tried it all, hell, run it in safe mode (firefox) same thing. about:memory shows bunch entries mainly in java scripts from pages that have been opened then closed, or if there any open ones there are lot's of duplicate ones.

on the other note, font rendering is as good as windows GDI since version 6. Is GPU acceleration working when FF is startted in safe mode? if yes, then I might give that a try.
the thing is, not every release of firefox gave me this problems, ff4 did, 5 didn't 6 did and 7 also does this crap...Anyway, I am finding Opera quite ok for now since I don't have a need for many plugins/addons ad it has addblock which works fine.
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