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id Software\'s Todd Hollenshead confirmed that they will not be
licensing out the Tech 5 engine being used for RAGE to third parties:

\uot;It\'s going to be used within ZeniMax, so we\'re not going to license it to external parties,\uot; Hollenshead told Eurogamer at QuakeCon 2010 in Dallas today.

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[gx-x]

I think they couldn't sell tech 5 even if they wanted to. It's outdated since CryEngine 1. Remember that since Quake 1 engine they really couldn't sell their stuff any more. They are always a year or more late with "stuff". Quake 3 engine was sold 2-3 times for some unfortunate projects mostly, and tech 4 engine (doom 3/quake 4)...well, I only remember one game that used it beside raven/id. That FPS where you play that kidnapped Indian guy in space. When I think of it, I am 99% positive it was a Raven game.

UE3 engine on the other hand was massively sold, like UE2.5, UE2 etc.

id is small team and they are good, but they are late.

[Renton]

I dont think they are late. The id Engines are just too expensive. idTech 3 (Q3) was a best seller and still today we see it very, very tunned in games like Modern Warfare 2.

id Engines cost about 3 times the Unreal ones. They are not late tough... remember idTech 4? Not late at all. It was mind-blowing when it cames out, even more than Far Cry wich was awesome too.

I would spect to see what idTech 5 is capable of before jumping to conclusions. The id Engines were always amazing stuff and I think Bethesda is going to have a vantage point here. Maybe we are not going to see some mind-blowing graphics, maybe something of what we are now seeing in the best titles out there, but with with a great performance. Remeber their promess: 60 FPS across all platforms with the same quality for both consoles and even more in PC.

Just take a look at the id Engines trought the history (not updated). Have in mind that for the time that a new version cames out, the old becomes open source so everyone can take benefits from it.

[gx-x]

well, I am sorry, but I stand by what I said. Since Q2 engine, all else, except from games from id affiliated studios is almost worthless. What we see is 10x call of duty, which was not that good in my opinion, both performance and graphic wise (FarCry was way better), and when I say late, I mean late with id tech 3 and onward. We are seeing trailers for Rage almost 2 years now. From what I saw a month ago in their latest presentation - it is a mix of borderlands and fallout 3 with slightly better graphics. Considering that both borderlands and fallout 3 have bellow average graphics, I find Rage outdated even before it has been published. I mean, new engine that is behind CryEngine 2 two years later? :O

btw, look at that graph you posted one more time, it's 4 titles and expansions. Also, CoD MW is HEAVILY modified by infinity ward, so heavily that IW calls it their own engine. It's even D3D and not OGL. And except for activission/raven/id games there is not really much based on id tech 3. KOTOR is a good game, star wars jedy knights also. But look at the UE2.5 and UE3 engine use and you will see that id sold nothing compared to UE

PS. MoH = CoD. Same game, same engine, same gameplay, same missions, with CoD MW being excellent exception.

PPS. there a few titles missing from that scheme, but you said it's not updated so that is the reason.

[Renton]

[gx-x]

well, price tag is important, especially when you take into account that when you buy UE3 engine, you get all the upgrades and new stuff for free. Same was with UE2, whoever bought UE2 got UE 2.5 for free...As for id price tag, that is my point, they can say that they won't sell id tech5, fine, because like I said, even they want to sell it they won't have customers. either because of price tag, or because of IMO outdated tech compared to CryEngine2 and so on. Cryengine also doesn't sell because of hefty price tag. I bet Cevat is very disappointed (was), ultimately blaming PC scene and piracy, and not his price tag At least id is not so hypocritical...

[Renton]

Totally agree.

[Tom]

I didn't think iD tech engine was that more expensive than UT. I think too some people are looking at a lesser license of UT engine, unless they price dropped it last I knew a full license was approx $750,000. I do not agree iD is behind in the tech. A lot of these other engines incorporate tech from iD. Some of the best games out there were based on iD tech. CryEngine is also a very expensive engine. Anyhow, it's not that nobody can use the iD Tech 5, it is saying if you use it it must go through Bethseda.

[gx-x]

I would buy CryEngine2 rather than id tech 5. I can't even begin to compare quality of the outcome and final image on display. If Rage is presentation of id tech 5 then it just doesn't cut it for me. It didn't look impressive one and a half year ago, it doesn't look impressive now...I don't care what's behind it but I've seen nicer things done in UE3, mass effect 2 for one...

[Renton]

ME2? You're just kidding, right?

[gx-x]

No, I am not. There are crapy scenes, but there are those really good ones, like that fallen starship, geth base, last mission etc. Whats with Rage? I have seen better looking mountains in HAWX and Call of Juarez As for underground, stalker looks better even...

srsly...http://static.computergames.ro/cg/assassin/images3/rage/rage021.jpg

...Left For Dead 3 with 2008 graphics? :/

gallery : http://computergames.ro/en/games/viewitem/id/1743/name/rage/section/screenshots.html

anyway, they DID put in MORE detail, let's see (in 2011) what will be needed to handle all that detail/meshes...