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ggrobot
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 Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:18 pm Post subject: MS Wants To Monopolize Game Development On PC [41109] |
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It looks as though Tim Sweeney isn't too happy with Microsoft's Universal Windows Platform:
With its new Universal Windows Platform (UWP) initiative, Microsoft has built a closed platform-within-a-platform into Windows 10, as the first apparent step towards locking down the consumer PC ecosystem and monopolising app
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Source: GGMania headlines
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Csimbi
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| Posted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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Tom, our resident Microsoft fanboï will love surely this.
I bet this will mark the end of Windows gaming (for MS at least).
PCs can live happily ever after without Microsoft nowadays.
I am hoping that the Germans will sue MS on this bullshit and lock them out from the EU unless they comply and allow fair competition. |
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Tom
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You're slow bud.. I already lead onto this in the other thread. Unification of games. UWP been around since Win8, it's not really news. I see nothing wrong with UWP. You will still be able to play Steam games etc. Who gives a shit what Tim Sweeny thinks...
Just another of Hx's bait news articles. Only posting half the story.
http://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/649991/Windows-10-gaming-Xbox-One-update-Phil-Spencer-UWP
| Quote: | "The Universal Windows Platform is a fully open ecosystem, available to every developer, that can be supported by any store," a message from Microsoft reads.
"We continue to make improvements for developers; for example, in the Windows 10 November Update, we enabled people to easily side-load apps by default, with no UX required. |
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Csimbi
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| Quote: | | It’s true that if you dig far enough into Microsoft’s settings-burying UI, you can find a way to install these apps by enabling “side-loadingâ€. But in turning this off by default, Microsoft is unfairly disadvantaging the competition. Bigger-picture, this is a feature Microsoft can revoke at any time using Windows 10’s forced-update process. |
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imgarfield
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| Quote: | | UWP been around since Win8 |
UWP is new to Windows 10. It supersedes Windows Runtime and extends it to include desktop applications. |
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Csimbi
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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| You should not have told him. |
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heretic
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | "The Universal Windows Platform is a fully open ecosystem, available to every developer, that can be supported by any store," a message from Microsoft reads. |
Simply I don't trust Microsoft.
Simply I don't trust Microsoft.
Simply I don't trust Microsoft.
All companies try to hide things all the time or lie about them. |
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imgarfield
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| Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | "The Universal Windows Platform is a fully open ecosystem, available to every developer, that can be supported by any store"
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This is half-lie. Considerable portions of UWP right now are only for Windows Store Apps (yes they are called this way in the documentation). For example the "share" function is Store App only, as well of many of the app packaging APIs.
Personally I think/hope it is only temporary that UWP is coupled with their Store. Hope this is just a legacy from the Windows 8 Metro/Modern apps and eventually all functionality will be available with no need for store distribution. |
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Tom
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| Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 6:37 am Post subject: |
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| imgarfield wrote: | | Quote: | | UWP been around since Win8 |
UWP is new to Windows 10. It supersedes Windows Runtime and extends it to include desktop applications. |
It was around in windows 8 it was just built up to do more, optimized and renamed UWP. UWP tools, code etc are all backwards compatible and anything Universal app on Win8 will work on Win10 UWP with little or no changes. Read a little more than Wikipedia pal, try actually putting in a effort and go to MS and read on their dev site and learn something.
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Simply I don't trust Microsoft.
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Who the fuck else you gonna trust pal? Give me a break. |
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imgarfield
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Tom, pal, I know what I am talking about, I am a developer
UWP is new to Windows 10. Before it was WinRT. Yes, WinRT programs, developed on 8, will run on 10. But you can't develop UWP on 8, it requires Windows 10 (I have Visual Studio installed, so I know this first hand)
But let me quote MSDN:
| Quote: | Windows 8 introduced the Windows Runtime (WinRT), which was an evolution of the Windows app model. It was intended to be a common application architecture.
When Windows Phone 8.1 became available, the Windows Runtime was aligned between Windows Phone 8.1 and Windows. This enabled developers to create Universal Windows 8 apps that target both Windows and Windows Phone using a shared codebase.
Windows 10 introduces the Universal Windows Platform (UWP), which further evolves the Windows Runtime model and brings it into the Windows 10 unified core.As part of the core, the UWP now provides a common app platform available on every device that runs Windows 10. With this evolution, apps that target the UWP can call not only the WinRT APIs that are common to all devices, but also APIs (including Win32 and .NET APIs) that are specific to the device family the app is running on. The UWP provides a guaranteed core API layer across devices. This means you can create a single app package that can be installed onto a wide range of devices. And, with that single app package, the Windows Store provides a unified distribution channel to reach all the device types your app can run on |
UWP is very different in that it consumes classic desktop (Win32) into itself. Considering it is tied to Windows Store, this is worrisome indeed. |
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Tom
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| Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2016 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| imgarfield wrote: |
UWP is very different in that it consumes classic desktop (Win32) into itself. Considering it is tied to Windows Store, this is worrisome indeed. |
I don't jump on the paranoia train like others/you do. Sweeny is talking without knowing, as usual shooting his mouth off on social media so even people who really don't give a shit what he has to say, still have to scroll by his BS. People are criticizing when they don't know. Microsoft said it will be open and I believe that until there is proof it's otherwise.
Furthermore, this article only appeared on this site. On all of the heavier/tech sites I go to this story was not even reported. Why? Because it's a troll news story, poorly presented without all the facts. It's Hx looking for hits. |
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