Gameguru Mania

[Penetreitor]

I've switched to W7 recently and I'm still being uncomfortable with many features, but like the new appareance and speed.
New windows explorer looks like the Mac Finder, and it's almost totally unusable for people that WORKS with a computer, meanwile fancy MAC users enjoy "design" and "good looking", Windows users looks for productivity and compatibility with the millons of the PC applications.
So fighting to getting up to date I'm still searching for solutions to have a good explorer, a smart securuty softwares (ZoneAlarm don't work properly with W7, MalwareBytes works smoothly so far...)
Don't say a word about 64bits, PC is loosing positions in this area, it's ridiculous that after several years from 64bit technology, it's very difficult to find some drivers or compatible applications.
Hope it can be solved soon.

[Ozieo]

[Koogle]

"It's too bad these forums don't have a moderator. Then maybe we could be free from both of you."

pfff... y'know there are plenty of other crap websites with full on modtarderation and censorship for you to go suck upto, like kotaku for a start, I'm sure your mentality will fit right in somewhere else if that is the case. Say what you want, but don't say anyone shouldn't be allowed to say anything or be around here. It's your right to be offended and look at things that way, but that's it.

"New windows explorer looks like the Mac Finder, and it's almost totally unusable for people that WORKS with a computer"

Exactly, and not just the file explorer, but the complete layout of core features like networking, control panels, etc beyond retarded. (I find the OSX Finder layout is even worse than Win7, MS would have done better not touching the explore shell at all instead of dumbing it down(well its at least had some slight improvement over vista not saying a lot)), So to me its the biggest reason why Win7 hasn't taken a bigger marketshare away from XP. Only one thing worse than not providing any real performance improvement, or enhancing features, and that's making changes that aren't really improving anything either. Different and transparent looking, but not better, even the default view of the win7 taskbar in phat ass noob icon view makes me laugh. Total noob fail design, but then I never was one to prefer grouped tasks (according to MS spy surveillance of beta testers, only ~10% ever disabled "Group similar taskbar buttons".. ya no shit, maybe because most never bothered to look for the option, and zero taskbar title info for running apps etc just stupid. It's like they designed Win7 for handicapped users in just about area.

Anyway far all its performance differences setbacks/slight improvements I could live with if it wasn't for the explorer shell itself being so absurdly awful, not just in looks but functionality. They hide the menubar by default so people don't realize just how fucking little they've done to improve anything behind what is seen on the surface. Even the command bar, is still not directly customizable. Just about everything about it is totally stupid and poorly developed. And no window title on top right of a window dialog, really dumb design, bad enough the useless shit breadcrumb bar(address bar replacement) doesn't offer anyway of making it less crap.

Anyway some of the best Explorer extensions like dmexbar, qttabbar, foldersize on XP work great, but for Win7 the support is hindered by some really crap roadblocks put in the way by those dumb fucks in MS explorer shell team throwing spanners in the way for developers(I guess they really don't want Win7 to be an XP years down the line, when they want to get everyone to buy its next OS release.

Still I do recommend http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/ (original developer went missing but still best for xp), For Win7 http://qttabbar.sourceforge.net/ notice the stupid vis7a explorer menu bar design forces all extensions and addons for the explorer filemanager to placed on that toolbar.. absolute fuck up design really, but hey at least you get the main feature enhancements qttabbar offers, screenshots don't really show it.

"meanwile fancy MAC users enjoy "design" and "good looking", "

yes its at least very consistent, which makes enhancing it much easier, same cannot be said for vis7a, redesigning it has just gotten to be a huge mess(even with tools like vistastylebuilder). It's why most the themes for win7 look like crap, of course even if they didn't still no changing the explorer shell layouts etc.

[Koogle]

[Baconnaise]

[bgione]

now that's funny, i remember people hating xp just after it's release, and what's even funnier, main gripes against it were "shitty shell" and "shitty performance", which really suffered because of drivers. not to mention that it wasn't too stable before SP2.

now, by no means do i see xp as a bad OS - it's been really amazing and even better after SP2, and i've been using it since its release. and here i'm using 7. is it better/worse? nope, it's the same - they have corrected many issues, left some of existing and of course created some new. it's clearly no revolution from xp - it's just an evolution. it's not even faster than xp (yup, not faster - but it keeps much more services running - nobody knows what for. even though, i think xp would choke on the same amount of services, really), but i'm not sure anybody expected magical +50% fps in games? even 2008server (R1), which is MUCH faster than xp despite beeing based on Vista's kernel, didn't provide any visible gaming benefits once configured to be able to run games. it's not really personalizable - but neither was xp without any explorer replacements or extensions. whatever, i prefer to work using my computer than making it pretty, i'm no Mac user. in my experience 7 is more stable - but on the other hand uses more resources. Aero look may or may not be to one's taste, but it's really fast on a decent graphics card - faster than basic. and it's as functional as xp once customized to one's tastes - starting layout is somewhat lacking and questionable (as Koogle said, hidden menubar). but of course there is always present user's inability to adapt to anything new - same as with xp.

it's no wonder 7 isn't growing it's market share so fast - xp was introduced in late 2001 and there wasn't any major release till Vista, it had huge amount of time to become prefered OS and grow userbase. 7 is on market for almost a year. and it's not like xp's road to power was stellar from the start (98 fanboys were acting like current xp fanboys). i'm attending tech university with IT faculty and i'm witnessing a growing trend to shift towards 7, be it in laboratories, on staff's computers and even student's (it doesn't apply to linux fanatics of course ). maybe things aren't looking that bad for 7 as people are making them look?

[gx-x]

well, for one, GUI IS slower in win7 compared to XP, just like those YT videos show, same happens on my win7. It doesn't bother me, might bother someone else thou.

what I missed in XP/XP 64bit, is the ability to utilize over 4GB of ram per application (yes, x64 also is limited to this due to kernel it has). I work in photoshop a lot, and PCs where I was employed were meant for that and pre-press, it was a hell of a nice change to be able to utilize 16GB per app instead of just 4 (or 6 by using some tricks). That is enough of a performance gain to sell me win7 x64. Oh, font managment in winXP is just awful. Win7 FINALLY addressed that issue.

as for aero, there uxtheme patchers and custom themes for win7. I would be using it otherwise (at home) since I find default Aero repulsive. There is a bunch of shell utils out there, so I am fine in regards to customization. If one likes default XP theme, you have it available, it will switch of aero, give you that same XP gui performance etc. There are also shell themes for that mode, lots of them, actually, almost all best themes from XP have been remade by their authors so you can just load them up in win7

on the other hand, win7 is a lot worse than XP in areas like desktop workflow. It does not remember folder views, column settings, window size, it even took them an whole update to make windows7 remember opened folders after restart.

PS. If you are looking for better workflow with files etc. stop relying on explorer, extensions etc. Sure, there are good ones, but does any of those combos really beat Directory Opus or TotalCommander? TCM is available for win7 as well and works just fine, has everything you need to forget about explorer altogether - except it's ugly but hey, DOPUS is not, and works the same. Why load your memory with system extensions when you can use an app made for that?

[Tom]

I don't care to read any further BS in this thread, this is my last response to this garbage article. I scanned quickly through a lot of BS and misinformed moronic points...Initially when I posted I didn't even give a shit to look at the posts, I read the article and I checked "real" statistics sites to see if the numbers jive.. easily found out the numbers were complete BS and based on old data.. I commented, the usual people cried. Boo hoo. Like I really give a shit.

Honestly, the stupidist thing is this article that is so fucking out of date I have to wonder how to guy running this site didn't know any better than to look at the real source before posting this crap on his site. He posted flame bait knowing there are idiots like Koogle and people like me who actually know what they are talking about. Interesting way to get publicity on your site. It took me all of 3 seconds to know the article was full of shit and I posted the link to where most collect their data. This fucking retard Wolfgang is clueless. IMO, credibility 0. Guy that's been fired from previous jobs, claims he's a techy and then writes articles with inaccurate data.. what? to get readers/visitors? ffs.. gimme a break.

Again, there are a few and even new people in this thread that have a clue. XP is yesterday's OS, I couldn't give a shit if it still turns your crank.
Good for you. Stay with your antiquated shit. It probably matches your hardware anyhow. I on the other hand, stay with the latest and greatest and XP ain't that. Games are starting to support new features in Dx and XP doesn't give you that. Win7 is more robust and more stable for me. I can run more apps/services at the same time and game. I require next to no boots. Win7 gives you a lot more than I can even mention. Win 7 is where it's at and I don't give a shit if you don't think so. It's my opinion it's my tastes.

I don't buy the gui is slow and all that BS. If you have a decent video card/system it ain't slow. Your icons are fucked up? Your windows aren't saved? Well you are a fucking idiot who is incapable of obviously using Google to fix your problems. Any M$ forum can likely help you. There are also tools to help you. XP had all the same problems. I have the same problems in Linux too.. Whoppe fucking ding dong. If you can't even help yourself and use google then you are fucking hopeless period.

Look at that fucking moron Koogle, ya he's so in touch with tech he still has a fucking CRT. Gimme a break. His skills so limited in gaming he needs everything and anything to be competitive, even to the point of cheating. Claims he can kick my ass in gaming but has never ever given me a challenge, a place to meet or anything. A fucking mouth piece all he is. Sits and moans when someone says PC gaming is dying and in the next breath when companies are trying to keep the playing field fair and booting cheaters he's putting them down. They posted an article about Valve making Steam compatible for Mac, another PC platform, he shoots it down as well as Valve. As I said, fucking moron. The guy is a total fucking idiot with a mouth that never stops putting things down. Has the guy ever posted anything ever positive? No. The guy is bi-polar of something, a retard and fucking diarrhea spewing mouth piece.

I don't like M$ as much as the next person but like many many reviews, Win7 is great and it's time to move to it. I've been on it since the beta days, its improved with patches just like XP and it's a solid OS. Anyone that knows anything knows Win7 is going to take over XP, the numbers for XP are already dropping quickly. Businesses will always be the last to adopt new OS's. When they do, XP days are numbered. My place of work is already making a date to switch and a lot of people have already moved to Win7.

[gx-x]

you don't have to "buy it" Tom, you try it yourself ffs open services and resize it, it's that easy. GPU doesn't matter if OS is not using it.

as for google search on windows remembering settings, there is a registry "fix" for that and it screws other things pretty bad in the long run, like giving you icon problems, long(er) window loading times etc. XP didn't have these problems out of the box, thats all I am saying. As columns position and size go, there is no fix and same problem exists from win XP till today. I got tired of looking into "detailed" view as default a long time ago. I can't b e bothered to resize name column every time I open a new window.

[Koogle]

"Honestly, the stupidist thing is this article that is so fucking out of date "

who the fuck cares, even your in link shows XP at ~60%+, whatever the actual statistics(usually only ever used by twisted marketing shitheads and liars) its not going to fucking show your beloved Winshite 7 at a large marketshare, get over it noob!


"I don't buy the gui is slow and all that BS. If you have a decent video card/system it ain't slow."

durrr it is, just because you throw faster hardware at it, doesn't fucking mean the problem is solved!! At the core its still a fucking issue, just as I mentioned the audiostack audiobg.exe is still a fucking issue of wasted cpu cycles interfering with audio playback (again countless reported issues), as is DWM.exe /dpc latency(lmgtfy?) (FailAero, and its piss poor customization and feature options). do I really fucking need to go pull up countless issues/bug reports people have with Win7 and production software? including gfx hardware.... Adobe and Autodesk alone have fuck loads of problems with shitty7, and opengl, is it any wonder why so many have to disable desktop compositing . As for the rest of your straw manning arguments you pulled out of your ass.. shut up noob

"Look at that fucking moron Koogle, ya he's so in touch with tech he still has a fucking CRT. "

STFU again asshole, I have mentioned here before now I use 2x24" lcd setup here moron, stop being a twisted little bastard.

"ya he's so in touch with tech he still has a fucking CRT. "

I'll take that as compliment, seeing a good CRT is still worth having for fps games.

"XP ain't that. Games are starting to support new features in Dx and XP doesn't give you that. "

yes of course, it was done by fucking design to force upgrades moron. Even the efforts to port dx10 were halted by the litigating scumbuckets at MS who successfully prevented that Alky project. Perhaps you like throwing money away at shitty upgrades but I don't. Fact is DX10/11 could have easily been made to work on XP for games from a Microsuck standpoint, the very fact projects came close it doing without any inside source and availability to access the windows sourcecode proves it! People would have paid for just upgrading of dx on XP, but MS couldn't possibly have done that when they want to go about developing a whole lot of other poorly developed shit like failaero, that they want people to be using and buying ....even if they then go back down I mean upgrading to XP because its less shit than all poorly designed changes in vis7a.

"but does any of those combos really beat Directory Opus or TotalCommander? "

yes they do, and I'd always prefer to use an application that is built for what it does like a proper FTP application over half assed implementation built into said apps (and don't get me wrong I know those apps have their uses/and users but to me explorer replacements never quite live upto replacing explorer effectively, not so far anyway) , and MDI apps like those (jack of all trades master at fuck all) such as those fail to do what explorer(+extensions) does because they have not been designed adequately. Case in point any applications that provides a way of directly opening a folder will not by default use one of those applications, and when they do open up those apps with the pointed to directory tab, still do not function well in a multitasking environment. Put it this way, the windows taskbar is a tabbar for the core windows file explorer and multiple instance of different directories being opened (those explorer extensions already provide more features and customization than TotalcrapCommander, and Opus put together both which have interfaces that could be seen as heavily bloated and not exactly very customizable, you either like it or you don't, but fact is their is a large of further issues they don't fix, just like explorer is meant to remember per folder settings/ windows sizes on close, those things go out the window when you use such applications not always a good thing). Also it would be pointless even using those apps instead of Win7 fail file explorer, because it doesn't replace what is essentially a very poorly designed and developed explorer shell, which you are still going to forced to use and interact with in other areas of the interface in Winshite7.


"They posted an article about Valve making Steam compatible for Mac, another PC platform, he shoots it down as well as Valve. "

Taking the piss out of OSX, of course a shit head like you saw your opportunity to make a comment that was all sensible like, I actually mostly agreed with the opinion and saw nothing I could be bothered to say on something I really don't give a shit about the only good thing that will come from that arrangement is developers using more open platform APi, another fuck you Directx I'd imagine ... So Valve already have a great dislike for Microsucks live platform And OSX pff whatever I'll take the piss out of them when I choose, you can stick up for them of course. But fuck you for being dickhead about it, you are just a fanboy.

"Claims he can kick my ass in gaming but has never ever given me a challenge, a place to meet or anything. A fucking mouth piece all he is. "

1vs1 on COD? CSS? UT2k4? UT3? which one you little moron.. quakelive? No hacks either Tom, seeing as you follow that scene so well.

"Businesses will always be the last to adopt new OS's. When they do, XP days are numbered. "

Xp days have been said to be numbered since the day shitty vista got kicked out the door, only stupid businesses with shit IT admins with fuck all else to do but setup security restrictions on fellow employees are upgrading in this bad economy. Those and any fucking moron who gets their panties in a twist at the mere mention of the CYBER security! CYBER SECURITY CYBER CYBER CYBER CYBER ..MS spoke person shithead: upgrade Winshi7e for better CYBER SECURITY

"My place of work is already making a date to switch and a lot of people have already moved to Win7."

wow they are really intelligent sheep, must be like you Tom. Clueless casual users constantly fed with marketing crap... always ready to support a mega scumopoly.

"Win7 is great and it's time to move to it."

Win 7 is borderline ok, its not time to move to it unless you're really forced into doing that.

[Ceriden]

[Koogle]

You take rules too seriously, like all cretinous people seem to (no offense, but that is the way you're coming off)....the rule should just be harden the fuck up, please

And people who want to block out the voice of reason, and others opinions, are the ones who have the problem. And I'm not going to apologist for the language used. I suggest deal it instead being a child.

I know friends/family who use Win7 ( I don't have a problem with them for using win7), mostly because it got bundled with a laptop or a new pc etc.. but they just use it for basic computing stuff, videos, browsing, office, the odd games etc they aren't going to tell me something I don't already know and how I should be using it because they do. That is the problem I have with fanboytards who show up their clueless ignorance perfectly about the OS they use, but want others to use like its some sort of collectivist mindset.

They aren't at the level of enthusiast user who wants the streamlined workflows, the intuitive functional design, power-toys etc, more open customizations and control. Tom himselfs disregards aerotaskforce, only a fucking idiot would do that, oh and a large portion of MS employees responsible for those areas who can't be arsed (some of which comments you can find on that site, that show perfectly just how flawed their ill logical thinking is on issues they have created and don't want to sort out ). They aren't going to be wanting tools like taskix so they can close taskbar apps faster using the [mmb] or flicking through things with the [mousewheel]. There are other features suggestions I made for the beta of 7, that made it into the final builds, but it wasn't enough to make me want to use that OS when I already have a far better desktop setup that I can't get with Win7.

Things like [ctrl]+[wheelmouse] for adjusting folder views/thumbsizes. Stuff like that are power features, A company like M$ doesn't want to developer for the power/enthusiast user, they rather that leave that upto other developers to extend, but at the same time restrict it such that developers have even less access to pull off another XP again that will force MS to have to do better than the competition that develops stuff on its own OS. Its far easier to design and develop for the noob user, by dumbing things down, instead of the opposite in getting users more trained on better workflows (MS is a company that ignored TABBED browsing for years) (So don't be surprised if Win8 carries this stupid mentality on, and further disregards actual improvements requested by users of Win7), and businesses who just want to restrict everything down to the bare minimum for their workforce of drones to be forced to use. They are users who mostly don't think about how things could be better (obviously) and more customizable etc that would improve workflow and productivity, to say Win7 will make users more productive is a fucking JOKE, explorer alone has done nothing but made things worse the stupid changes it has done to it. So I am only to happy rip into it.

The bare minimum and flashy but shallow GUI/UX is fine for most unfortunately, but doesn't mean it was worth the money they were forced to pay for it. That is the con MS and its marketing crap pulls, because when you look at what is already freely available for XP to enhance it, there is very little, to nothing that it can't do that win7 does, and its a very stable OS with sp3, that has even less hardware/driver/software issues than Win7.

"Win7 is more robust and more stable for me. "

No more than XPsp3/x64 is, and I'd say that Win7 still has many driver/software issues with graphics cards. So yeh whatever to that claim.

"pseudo leet speak "

I didn't know anyone was trying pseudo leet speak, trash talk for sure, but leet speak? nah not really

[Csimbi]

[Ceriden]

Last comment on the etiquette matter from me and then I'll let it drop as I've said my peace. That last post from you is exactly what I want. Your points came across as coherent with very little deviation into the leet speak that I mentioned. I should have also been more clear what I meant by leet, which is the best term I could come up with. Was talking about inserting words into other words (Winshi7e or blizztard as a couple examples). It's hard to take someone seriously when they have to resort to that sort of thing. Anyway, that's it I'm done with the matter.


As far as XP versus 7. I just cannot justify making the jump. Maybe it's a bit streamlined. Maybe it's more secure. The bottom line for me is that it is heavier (More system demanding) and legacy support for older windows games, that I have, is not as robust. Add in the fact that I hate that the content of a folder doesn't always contain the actual files but shortcuts to the files that are crawled from all over the place. If I have a folder for just vacation pictures, that's where I want them and only there. It's like sorting movies by genre, but having it in multiple lists because a small part of it qualifies. The only thing that I will cut them some slack is the driver support. The companies knew the delivery window for 7, they were given ample time to write drivers that supported it, hell Microsoft was making available teams on their side to help. It was just a case of pure laziness on their part.

Csimbi is right in that if one wants to stay in a windows environment you will have to eventually upgrade to something newer. Unless you are fine with no security support. Of course going forward windows will only be as secure as the security firms will let it, at least until Microsoft is left to do what it wanted to do, like kernal lockdown, without being sued because they included a service that is also third party.

But I do want windows to still be around and do well. The only viable alternative, short of linux, is the mac and while they do better in some respects their policy of software slash and burn is short sided in the long term.

[Ozieo]

Let's conclude with this : Every OS has its fanbase, You either choose Microsoft's God1 or Microsoft's God2, either way, we're all licking Bill's ballz.