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[Koogle]

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[Csimbi]

[gx-x]

EULAs are retarded. If a minor buys a game in store, how can he agree to anything? He is not legally responsible. Also, you should be able to return the game and get the full refund if you don't accept EULA. Also, if former cannot be the case, then I can pay for the game with bills that have my own EULA attached to them, saying that the money I just gave to the store is my property and I can get it back if store doesn't use to the specifications I gave them. I will pay for the game as a CEO of my own company with money made by my company. ofc, the next thing in question is: is that money really mine or does it belong to the state? If it belongs to the state, and I am just using it as a currency (normally) then money used to create something makes that something not really yours either

and here we come to one major problem (totally off topic) which is: Who's is your money? XD

...but this a subject for some different forums

on the topic, if banned players were banned for cheating in single player than this is retarded. I would like to ask blizzard one question about cheating:
- If I got caught cheating, and I tell you that I will buy new game from you and cheat again - will you sell me the game OR support anti-cheating?

[Venom1]

Why when cheating in an online-only game like World of Warcraft, Blizzard simply suspends your account for 72 hours and if you cheat in offline mode in SC2 you get banned instantly?

It's clear they don't want to loose their monthly $$$ from World of Warcrap and SC2 is a game with no recurring monthly fee.

Glad to be playing SC2 without wasting my euros.
THX war*z guys ^_^

[Genoism]

so basically koogle got banned.

[gx-x]

koogle is more fun than blizzard, I'd buy a copy anytime

btw. Koogle banned Blizzard, not the other way around.

[Koogle]

@Genoism You sound determined to believe what you want surprised you didn't just end that stupid statement of yours with fully knowing exclamation point, instead of a more aptly suited question mark for someone who sounds like they've just skipped over most the comments and anything I actually said about that?

[gx-x]

Koogle man, you just have to accept that fact, they are doing what they are doing to make money. We also ain't getting trough our lives to make other peoples live better before we make satisfactory results with our own are we? Companies are are just like that, but without moral obligations, USA state law gives them that right, to be treated as citizens when rights are involved, but to be treated as companies when moral issues are involved. Those laws weren't made by people like us, they were made by people who are backed up by corporations.

as much as we think we can do about it - we cannot, not yet. Majority of people will just agree to any kind of B$ just to make a buck or to play a game. That will go on until that majority changes and no longer accepts served moral concepts and concepts of what is right or wrong dictated by those who want complete controls over markets/behavior etc.

consumers today are not aware that they have the power. They are made to think that they only have the money and they have no choice or say in spending it, but they are made to feel like they do. They make them feel that GT5 will be worth 120$ per copy because 30-50 people spent 4 years in taking specs of the cars etc. Those who buy it and don't have fun with it will still praise it play it because "30-50 people spent 4 years in taking specs of the cars etc.". In reality, 30-50 people that really work on race tracks and know those specs as a part of their jobs will earn less money than the game makers.

why am I saying this? Well, because consumers are made to believe that investing 500$ into a thing that will suck 50$ by 50$ for each new software they insert is ok, normal and that they should support it, support the fact that they will be spending more and more money, and supporting the fact that those who get that stuff for free are "bad guys" for not supporting people that earn 1 million $ per year for designing gay clothes for games or creating that same undead model you saw 10000 times before, but this time he wields a hammer instead of an axe.

anyway, this time they want you to believe that cheating in single player should get you banned, EULA says so, you accepted it. My 8 year old son installs all games for me, he is not legally responsible, hes click on "I accept" means nothing. Therefore if he cheats - he cannot be banned, I am just waiting for this to go to court, and it will. MAybe not for starcraft, but one day it will and will brake EULAs world wide. Here in Serbia, they can suck my d*ck. Consumer right state that all property that is sold belongs to consumer. Audio/Video alike. I cannot distribute it and pirate it, but I can make copies, edit it, cheat in it etc. It would be impossible for me to drag blizzard into court in Serbia if they banned me for cheating, but I could appeal to civil court to pay my expenses for the game, and they would probably (most likely) post a fine to a shop that sold me such a game Shops here don't sell these kinds of games for that reason, they payed too many fines already. Just as you can't buy a dishwasher that limits how you use it, you can't buy a game that limits how you use it. You buy it - it's fucking yours. Thats the only fair law, if you don't agree - you are brainwashed! IDC if you don't agree, you are.

[Csimbi]

That is actually very well said.

EU usually does not take such crap from US (see MS and other cases), it is only a matter of time until they pick it up. The more complaints, the sooner. So, take the time and write that letter your EU representative.