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Blizzard announced that over 5,000 users have been banned from Starcraft 2:

We recently took action, including suspensions and bans, on over 5,000 StarCraft II players who were in violation of the Battle.net Terms of Use for cheating and/or using hack programs while playing. In addition to undermining the spirit of

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[Tom]

Good. 5,000 seems rather low though

[Koogle]

^ ignore the apathetic idiot above, probably sucks so much he constantly see cheaters every multilayer game he goes to! .. the perfect blizztard and scum gaming company customer. Go play in the supposedly safe and fair play consoletard environment where the only cheaters make good money from suckers!

Blizztard like the epic fucking monkey scumbag morons they truly (for many reasons) are and are run by(Vivendi), are a doing mega fuckup job of tying singleplayer offline gaming into their shit mass multiplayer monitoring system (as has already been done by other gaming scumpany's) , such that anyone using cheats/trainers/hacks for single player offline gaming can now get a legitimate purchase completely revoked. Such a system design could only be thought up of by uber deceiving scumbags. And that is just a small part of the problem.

People/sheeple are really getting suckered into supporting a lot of shit changes in the gaming market/industry (like so much else in this world)

because they are not realizing where this is ultimately going. You probably don't cheat multiplayer (and good just like many don't), but that doesn't mean that just because you/someone else(or friend/foe) uses a/your gaming account with cheats and gets your game nerfed by corporate scumbags that actually don't give a shit about the cheating (they are the master at that game) as much as they care about making more money and appealing to dumb shits as above with setting the precedent for being allowed to get away with what they are doing.

Anti cheat blocking, nah , but that is what you should be wanting, as is playing with people you trust or in leagues etc, too much effort, instead you're supporting the wrong things, mass account wipes no questions asked or appeals(on wrongful banning), yes that is what you're supporting you stupid shits!

Also cheats are not bad ffs(they can add new life to an old game(and i'm not condoning cheating against others who aren't cheating), but go play on a server where everyone is cheating, its actually quite funny, in the end the better player always wins (no change there then).

Cheats just make a mockery of stupid shit things like achievements and other crap by design shit that gaming companies are trying to use to make their all gfx boring games seem more challenging and addicting to keep gamers playing/paying, for some pathetic reward points like poor lab rats being given some food pellets. I believe its working quite well at making people more stupid and apathetic as they fail to see how they are the ones who are being played for fools.

[Csimbi]

I think single player cheating is perfectly fine.
Regarding cheating in multi-player I think it could be fun as Koogle says, but then all players should be aware of all cheats/exploits and they should be able to use them as much as they like (so, there is a balance). Problem is, these conditions are most of the time not met.
As for revoking the rights - we have not been customers for a long long time; we are consumers, and the corporations abuse our pockets as they see fit. Maybe a lawsuit against Blizzard should set a precedence.

[Tom]

Awwww Koogle got banned.

Cheating is not acceptable period. I have never used cheats, I only keep track of them. I have never used exploits either. Never. I got class and pride and when I'm playing with others, it's my skill not some lame artificial helper aiding my sorry ass. To hell with your lame ass support of cheaters Csimbi. Trying or even opening your ears to trying to find some reason to make it acceptable is BS and makes me think your just another prick who cheats and probably got banned. Cheating is not acceptable period and more games should have systems in place to ban permanently any loser who can't play without cheating.

Launch a lawsuit? whatever, like it will do anything. Pfft. It's written in black and white. Cheat and be banned. Only a fucking retard would whine and complain after he got banned for cheating. DUH! Tough shit. Learn how to play the game like a normal honest person and quit being a dickhead cheating and exploiting.

#1 reason people left gaming on PC is because of lame ass fucking cheaters. People with balls smaller than a fucking mouse cheat. Little people like Koogle and Csimbi who try and justify cheating are even worse. Get a fucking clue you morons and learn how to play the game without cheating. Notice how I keep repeating this line. Because maybe one time you read it it might sink into that fucking hard as cement skull on your shoulders.

And Koogle, I could kick your ass at any game. You and your square fucking CRT. Pfft. I laugh at cheaters and fags like you that have to use some lame way to kill me. If that's what it takes, so be it. I've never whined on a forum or anything. Why?! Who would give a fucking rats ass?! When cheating gets bad and it's generally accepted amongst friends/clan I leave. Usually in most games Koogle, I am the LAST to leave. So FU. As for Star Craft, I guess you'll just have to purchase another copy.

[raven99]

Koogle you have to be the biggest conspiracy theorist idiot I've ever seen.
You have yet to put together a post that doesn't make you sound like some foul mouth inbred hill-jack. Every time I read one of your posts I think to myself (wow koogle cant possibly get more ignorant), but then you always prove me wrong. I think the day you actually post something more intelligent than your typical 12 year old rants I might actually fall out of my chair.

[Csimbi]

I don't know Tom. You like shooters, right?
Ever tried Serious Sam on highest difficulty setting with cheats?
You could give if a go once. The fun begins when you don't just shoot the enemies, but turn them against each other, let yourself be kicked far in the air, etc...
That's what I mean. There's surely no fun in playing any game "normally" (the way it was meant to be played) using cheats. Cheats allow you to have some extra fun.
I do not think Koogle or I are suggesting that you should ruin your gaming experience with cheating. There's no point buying the game then - and I agree with that. What I am trying to say is: I meant it as an additional fun factor. And, Blizzard should facilitate people who desire to do so in an isolated environment - taking their money and turning their back on them just because they want to play the game in a different way is just plain unethical.

Do you like racing? You're not going to drive a Ferrari like a maniac across the neighborhood, do you? No. There is a separate (and safe) environment where you can do that. It's called racing. Spectators even pay good money to watch it.
Blizzard could create such a safe environment for people who feel adventurous, and they could even make money with it.

The rules of every community are defined the members of the community itself.
So, Blizzard refuses (and roots out) the possibility of "being different" - which was called racism at a different place and a different time, wasn't it?

[Tom]

Don't get your shorts in a bunch ok.. I'm not flaming.

[Koogle]

"Awwww Koogle got banned."

typical of the stinking mentality of a fucking retarded asshole... if they don't agree with it they must have been involved in it. With fail logic like that Tom its easy to see why you're such a tool.

Well the answer to your retard statement is: NO I didn't get banned you stupid nub, I don't cheat others! I just see things for what is really going.

"Cheating is not acceptable period"

Collectivist drone type mentality.. game cheating is not acceptable because you're a whinny little shit head, who wants to the paint the world in your own feces and have everyone be just like you. When really this cheating is NOT the problem, the problem is that you can't totally control something, and those who try, deserve to fail. Get that into your head.

Those who want to cheat others is a problem, but not the cheats, that will never go away and NOR should it, just like reverse engineering is not a problem as it is those who waste millions and billions on patenting and protecting things that they've claimed only they have the right to know, use and abuse because they got in first with the money to pay off the law sharks. When really they should have just got it out to market sooner instead of being such assholes.

This whole banning players from their own game instead of just the servers they've played on etc is in itself cheating those people. Cheating others is social community problem etc not for companies to get in on creating systems that cause and create problems in which some players will seek out hacks to use for whatever reason. While the subscribing masses are fooled into thinking they are doing something about cheaters when really they ain't doing shit about it, but cheating all of you and filling their pockets in doing so while you foolishly support their actions, eventually they'll fuck you up aswel unless you become that dumbed down.

And you're also basically thinking its more of problem than it really actually is, but you'll continue to believe in the problem like the boogey man! Like thinking anyone who is actually good is a cheat. Also those who have cheated(even worse someone else using their account) don't deserve to be banned indefinitely or without comeback. You're falling into the trap of stupid neanderthal thinking that has for too long caused more problems than it has EVER solved.

In gaming leagues cheaters are found out, in public games cheaters are found out, the best cheaters however know how to play the game well and want to slip by because they happen to be those who make the biggest show of hating other cheaters when they themselves are cheaters but do not like the attention it gets by others also trying it out.

"And Koogle, I could kick your ass at any game. You and your square fucking CRT. "

lol you could beat me and a squared CRT? first off there still ain't shit on the market that beats having a quality/sized/flat CRT in response times for gaming, and 4:3 is hardly square. Its also a lot fucking better than 16:9 widescreen consumer home LCDs that are only fit for watching consumer movies and crap tv shows NOT pc desktop use or reaction gaming (infact its party why browsers are being dumbed in down GUI because the majority got suckered by the lcd manufactures being cheap skates)! I have 2x24" lcd 16:10 for desktop/production and some non fps gaming. And not only would my skill beat your stupid noob ass in any fps/strategy game, but I also wouldn't be playing with handicap of using a delayed LCD and you think you'd kick my ass? rofl

don't make me laugh, I also don't ever cheat in multiplayer games, infact I rarely ever use cheats/trainers for singleplayer offline games except for fun and after playing the games normally. Stupid idiots like you FAIL.. in everything even critical thinking by the things you say about cheating and those who do it, just idiotic.

but worse you're supporting companies like blizztard to get away with designing absolutely stupid game setups that want complete control over the gamers gaming experience, including into the single player experience! and total control over it, via punishing those and nullifying what they've paid for it. Maybe through color of law put into legal agreements that they can get away with doing that! but that does NOT mean it should be allowed into the marketplace, and that is what they are getting away with doing. No one asked for stupid singleplayer multiplayer community player rankings, and achievements, some people are going to want to play the game they bought with cheats at some point, only those fuckwits at blizzard see how they can use this approach for their own platform agenda.

I just hope those 5000 people don't ever buy from blizztard ever again.

The sooner people realize this and stop funding this crap and instead save it for those people/companies who can actually deliver more acceptable games that offer more choice to gamers and gaming environment it provides, and don't try to sneak in insidious shit they can abuse for their gains, the better.

Cheating like Pirating is a very useful boogeyman for large companies to use for their own benefit while kicking,screaming and throwing as much bullshit around as they can to fool you muppets into accepting their retarded solutions and narrow minded game designs.

Again cheats and to an extent the vast majority of game cheaters are not the problem! Its simple enough to control those who want to ruin the game for others by cheating others, but giving that power to scumbag companies to get away with outright nullifying someones purchase is just more wrong on top of wrong. Typical of a retards that run and manage those places.

"The rules of every community are defined the members of the community itself.
So, Blizzard refuses (and roots out) the possibility of "being different" - which was called racism at a different place and a different time, wasn't it?"

Exactly.

"I laugh at cheaters and fags like you that have to use some lame way to kill me. If that's what it takes, so be it. I've never whined on a forum or anything. Why?! Who would give a fucking rats ass?! When cheating gets bad and it's generally accepted amongst friends/clan I leave."

You're a liar, and you constantly go on about cheating, you admit yourself you follow the cheating scene, it would not surprise me if you have cheated online against others.

I don't take cheating seriously, its just another side that can be fun and a new experience but like many its only a tiny fraction of people who will use them against others for their own advantage to make up a playing handicap etc. And besides beating someone you really think is cheating should bring you more gaming satisfaction.

"Koogle you have to be the biggest conspiracy theorist idiot I've ever seen"

What fucking conspiracy theories are you talking about stupid statist dumb fuck? Go pull your head out of your ass instead of looking at things through your eyes and ears smeared with shit and lies you've come to believe and worse support. Otherwise you will fall off that chair when the reality of the truth and logic finally smacks you in the face like a ton of bricks for being such a stupid thinking retarded idiot that has supported all the wrong things that only ever caused more problems.

And 'typical' 12year old rants? y'know a lot 12 year old's are less bat shit crazy than adults these days. I'm pretty sure presented with truth and facts they'd see things clearer than most biased and braindead adults do, at least until they've been beat down by the conformist system of dead beat drones who want to form others and their opinions into clones of themselves and anyone thinking out of the box is bad and doing someone out of your formed normality is bad.

[Tom]

You did get banned, you are Koogle_de_F@g aren't you? Says here you were banned. Ah well I guess you just can't admit it, kind like your inferior radiation emitting CRT that's clearly and obviously already melted your 12 year old brain.

[darknothing]

koogle please please don't type so much, dumb it down, my attention span isn't that great.

[Koogle]

[Csimbi]

@Tom
While Koogle may have gotten himself banned and feel sour about it, I think the point he was trying to make has some truth to it, and I agree with some parts of it. When it comes to ruining someone else's game, I totally agree with what you are saying and Blizzard is doing.
All I am saying is that people having the desire to cheat should be able to do that (in an isolated environment). I think that Blizzard simply does not want to run a cheaters-battle.net just for the cheaters because that would cost extra, so it's easier to say no.

[Koogle]

"While Koogle may have gotten himself banned and feel sour about it"

lol wtf? I've just stated that is not the case!

"When it comes to ruining someone else's game, I totally agree with what you are saying and Blizzard is doing."

You agree that is ok for a company to steal property? because that is literally what they are doing, they've already made money on the sale and yet have taken that away by designing the game that in such a way that allows them total control over the runnings of it all. And lobbying spineless dipshit parasites into allowing such legal agreements to be allowed in the marketplace and forced on clueless consumers unaware of what they bought is not owned by them at all.

That is outright lawless behavior of illegal being made legal for the benefit of collectivist scum corporatism.

And sure its less fucking retarded than Microsuck ruining/blacklisting perfectly working and more costly actual hardware that anyone is within their right to modify, but it is still total scumbaggery.

A more reasonable and less retarded approach would be just a limited time out ban on those playing multilayer matches while using hacks, or better yet actual anti cheat protection. Really there are fucking tons of easy to implement solutions that are better than this stupid approach that only truly benefits one side of lazy fuktards who I wouldn't be surprised are actually helping the cheat scene and double dipping.

Seriously how fucking stupid apathetic and narcissistic are people becoming in society supporting such stupid ill gotten solutions that they have by design made worse to all those who buy and support such crap.

It will only get worse!

On the bright side, they've done those 5000 a favor, it was a shit game that is riding on the collectivist drone mentality of mind numbingly stupid fanboys. Blizztard have shot themselves in the foot for their other games. I'm waiting to see them (among others ) trip over into a full on face plant!

Leave the scene for better gaming developers to take the lead instead of these shit heads wanting to rule over the industry and set the precedent of total scumbaggery.

[zarlin]

Except to fucking gullible idiots and CEO/shareholding shit heads more eager to see what they can get away with next, and how much money they are raking in for it

well they will earn alot , because those who buy starcraft , and wow eat anything they throw in there faces...anything , seeing how they implant minigames in cata , just wait with that zuckerberg in there house you get to earn points in the minigames to buy things on facebook store , and so on , there was a time when games was games and blizzard was blizzard