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Gameguru Mania News - May,18 2004 -

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(hx) 03:36 AM CEST - May,18 2004 - Post a comment / read (46)

Phatbot suspect released on bail - The suspected author of the Phatbot Trojan was released on bail last Friday after spending a week in custody. German authorities arrested the 21-year-old coder - named only as Alex G in local reports - from Waldshut in southern Germany on 7 May at the same time as the author of the Sasser worm, 18 year-old Sven Jaschan. Police said the two operations were co-ordinated but unrelated. Emails from the suspect showed he wanted to leave Germany to avoid military service. This, combined with the seriousness of computer sabotage charges he faced, led police to initially oppose bail. Police have now relented after the suspect agreed to surrender his identity papers and report regularly to police.
Microsoft cracks pirates on Service Pack 2 - Users of pirated copies of Windows XP may not be able to install Service Pack (SP2), as Microsoft has blacklisted the 20 most-copied discs. ccording to Microsoft, users who have the same serial number as the 20 most-copied Windows XP discs will be unable to install the new upgrade. But with the company blocking only these discs, some users of pirate copies will still be able to download the service pack. The same tactic was used to stop users of pirate copies from installing SP1, although pirates then launched a tool to get round the anti-piracy measures.
FBI arrest 65 in P2P child porn raids - The FBI arrested 65 people for using peer-to-peer networks to exchange child pornography on Friday (14 May). The FBI went undercover in Operation Peer Pressure and conducted 166 sessions targeting P2P networks. They found 106 individuals with multiple images of child pornography. This led to 103 searches, seven arrests and nine indictements. It also led to the rescue of eight children who had been abused.
New way to combat online piracy - Downloading music, movies or software illegally might become less appealing if every third song or film scene was suddenly interrupted by white noise or worse, announcements urging "next time, pay for what you take!" This "gotcha" technique--circulating flawed or reproving digital copies of songs on the Internet--has been tried in some form by a few pop stars hoping to thwart online music piracy. Two weeks ago, a University of Tulsa professor and a former graduate student of his won a patent for software that analyzes and monitors illegal music swapping on file-sharing networks, and then systematically inserts decoy files into the mix.
CA Dispatches Free Security Alerts - In an effort to provide up-to-date information regarding the latest threats affecting today's environments, Computer Associates International says that it is now offering free e-mail alerts (here) regarding critical viruses and vulnerabilities. Critical threat alerts, says the company, notify recipients that a virus or vulnerability has reached a critical or dangerous level, and requires immediate action to mitigate and protect critical data.
Cisco investigates source code leak - An unspecified amount of the proprietary source code that drives Cisco Systems' networking hardware has appeared on the Internet, the technology giant acknowledged early Monday. A representative could not confirm, however, that network intruders made off with 800MB of code, as reported by a Russian security group over the weekend. According to SecurityLab.ru, online vandals had compromised Cisco's corporate network and stolen about 800MB of source code. A person with the alias "Franz" bragged about the intrusion and posted about 2.5MB (proof) of code on the Internet relay chat (IRC) system not long after the alleged break-in.
Why Windows is a Security Nightmare - Security in all mainstream operating systems is non-existent; however, things are especially bad for Windows. Windows happens to be the favorite target of worm and virus writers. Conventional wisdom suggests that the huge installed base of Windows helps spread the worms and viruses, and also makes it a highly attractive target for worm/virus writers. The installed base of Windows certainly has an undeniable effect on the prevalence of malware on Windows, but this is not all there is to it.
South Korea's cat-and-mouse with piracy - Recently in a city near Seoul called Incheon, police investigators who were empowered to audit software on PCs snuck in through an office building's back exit, according to a source who worked for an Internet service provider inside the facility at the time. A receptionist immediately began to call all the businesses in the building. "Everyone closed their doors," the former ISP employee said. The ISP wasn't so lucky. Its employees didn't get out in time, and the company had to pay $42,000 (50 million won) in software licenses and fines.
Off-topic: Hi-flying Wi-Fi debuts on transatlantic flight - Passengers flying on a Lufthansa flight from Munich to Los Angeles on Monday became the first to experience in-flight Wi-Fi - a broadband wireless internet connection. The satellite-based system enables passengers to surf the web and send emails from their own Wi-Fi-enabled laptop or handheld computers instead of using the more limited services some airlines offer through their seatback displays. The system, called FlyNet, has already been installed on five of Lufthansa's fleet, with plans to extend this to all 80 of the German airline's long-haul planes by the end of 2006. Passengers will share a download capability of five megabits per second, while uploading traffic, such as sending emails, will run at one Mbps. This speed of connection is comparable with that used in a small office. The cost to passengers is $10 for half an hour, or a flat rate of $30 for the entire flight.
Off-topic: Viruses shown to destroy lung, colon tumors - A genetically engineered virus can selectively kill cancerous cells in the lung and colon while leaving healthy cells intact, according to new research published today. The research could lead to a new class of cancer therapies that selectively kill cancer cells.
Off-topic: Hy-Wire Driving Is a Gas - Powered by 200 fuel cells inside an 11-inch-thick chassis fixed like a giant skateboard under the car, the Hy-wire's most exciting element is its environmental footprint. It has none. According to General Motors, the car takes in only air and leaves behind nothing but water. Simple as fifth-grade science: O2 + H = H20. And this driver didn't detect even the H20.
Off-topic: Half-Life 2 PC on July 2nd? - According to Walmart, Half-Life 2 should ship on July 2nd, 2004.
NVIDIA Launched Consistent Graphics Interface for PCI Express Notebooks - NVIDIA today announced a consistent graphics interface for PCI Express based notebook PCs. The Mobile PCI-Express Module specification (MXM) was jointly designed by NVIDIA and the industry's leading notebook PC manufacturers to create a consistent graphics interface that will accelerate the time to market for PCI-Express-based notebooks.
ARM gets SMP core - ARM has released a processor design for consumer electronics devices that uses SMP (symmetric multiprocessing) technology. According to ITWorld, the MPCore was developed in partnership with NEC.
OS X Makes Slow Debut on PC - German students develop the first emulator for running Mac OS X on a Windows machine. It's incomplete, buggy and horribly slow, but PC geeks are rushing to try it out.
NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra (NV40) review - The performance of the NV40 is clearly displayed in the gaming benchmarks and has completely overwhelmed the previous NV3x architecture. The clear benefits of a higher performing GPU comes when FSAA and Anisotropic filtering are enabled at a level where 4xAA and 8xAF are very comfortable on the NV40. The pixel and vertex shader power of the NV40 are much evident in many DirectX games with more than doubled performance over the NV3x while OpenGL games which is much more CPU bound saw approximately 1.5x performance gain. NVIDIA still continues to maintain a good performance lead for the OpenGL games over the ATi Radeon cards.
Seagate 160 GB SATA (ST3160023AS) review - If you are looking for a bleeding edge, performance packed, ass kicking hard drive, your hopes are probably a little too high. Seagate’s SATA flavored drives are fantastic in their own right, but you might want to hold out for the second, or even third generation of SATA drives if you are looking for unheard-of performance. However, if you are looking for a solid drive that is quiet, reliable and on the higher end of the performance spectrum, I would most definitely recommend these drives to anyone with an SATA-ready motherboard.
P4 Northwood and Prescott Comparison at 4.1 GHz - Intel's Pentium 4 Northwood processor is nearing the end of its product life cycle at 3.4 GHz. Its successor, the Prescott, is slated to offer a clock speed of 4 GHz by end of year, but it runs hot. THG looks at what happens when both processors are overclocked at 4.1 GHz.
NEC warns users not to apply ND-2510A Firmware to ND-2500A drives - On the Internet there is currently a Firmware version floating around that ought to change the usual 8x DVD burner ND-2500A to an ND-2510A that is able to write double layer media. According to NEC this Firmware does not work on the ND-2500A because some adjustments have to be made during the manufacturing process that cannot be applied later. Because of this it will be impossible to let the ND-2500A write DVD+R DL only by upgrading the Firmware. Even if this will succeed in single cases, the danger of getting coasters is very high and the DL-recordables will have error ammounts beyond the specification. NEC also points out that applying unofficial firmwares to their burners will void warranty.
TweakHound's Super XP Tweaking Guide 5.0 - Tweakhound's Eric Vaughan has updated his Windows XP tweaking guide to revision 5.0! this has to be one of the best tweaking guides around. This guide is all about optimizing XP.
GPU Comparison Guide Rev. 3.5 - Adrian's Rojak has updated his GPU Comparison Guide with ATI's Radeon X800 XT PE GPU and NVIDIA's GeForce 6800 GT and 6800 Ultra Extreme GPUs updated the clock speeds.
FarCry PS 3.0 Movie and Pictures - Check it out and let me know if the movie is worth leeching :P
Windows Media Player 9 update - When you copy music media files between Microsoft Windows Media Player and a supported portable device, copy operations may take longer to perform as more items are added to the Media Library. Specifically, the time to copy increases exponentially as the number of items in the Media Library increases.
Inferno Fourth Edition Download - A preliminary public release of Inferno (Fourth Edition) is now available for downloading from Vita Nuova which contains: The Inferno operating system running in hosted mode for: Windows (Nt, 2000, XP) [not 95, 98, Me], FreeBSD (x86), Irix (mips), Linux (x86), MacOSX (power), Solaris (sparc), Plan 9, which includes the Dis virtual machine, integral support for the Styx network protocol, and an implementation of the Tk user interface toolkit. Source code for all of the applications and library modules (written in Limbo), including: the Charon web browser, the Acme integrating development environment, the Limbo compiler written in Limbo, the Yacc compiler-compiler, the sh programmable shell, plumbing support (similar to Plan 9's plumber), many Unix-like tools: mv, cp, rm, xd, wc, grep, ps, diff, tr, man, ls ...
Supertrick XG, successor to KLite HOSTS file tool - Supertrick XG edits a file within Windows called "HOSTS." By editing this file, you can block access to certain websites. Using this trick you can block websites that serve ads or ones that might compromise your privacy and security. This also speeds up the loading time of websites, because the ads don't have to be downloaded.
Koepi's XviD Codec 1.0 Final - XviD (download) is an ISO MPEG-4 compliant video codec.
Codec Pack All in 1 v6.0.1.1 - A collection of codecs for playing DivX movies. All you need to see DivX movies: DivX, XviD, AC3...
AnyDVD 3.6.2.1 - AnyDVD allows you to decrypt CSS encrypted DVDs on the fly. Insert your CSS- (Content Scrambling System) and RPC (Region Code Protected) - protected DVD into your DVD drive.
FlashFXP 3.0.0.995 RC1 - FlashFXP (download) is the most powerful and popular FTP & FXP Client for Microsoft Windows 9x/Me/NT/2000/XP on the market today.
ICQ Lite 4.01 Build #1668 - A new version of ICQ lite is available for download.
Forceware Quadro Drivers - Nvidia has released three new sets of Forceware drivers for their range of workstation Quadro cards in the shape of 53.81 - 56.54 - 56.56 for Windows 2k/XP. (thanks Warp2Search)

last 10 comments:

lee

posted - May, 18 2004 - 04:17

i like that idea about stopping piracy. maybe to stop everybody from stealing cars the car industry could just make new cars without any steering wheels or engines and instead they can just tape a note that says "next time, pay for what you take!". or maybe the food industry could just fill boxes of cereal with little notes that say the same thing. maybe the clothing industry could just write "next time, pay for what you take!" all over every article of clothing that they make, that would sure get the message across!

FX5900	posted - May, 18 2004 - 06:33
hahaha... indeed Lee. Anyone read the 'NVIDIA GeForce 6800 Ultra (NV40) review'??? Save you guys the time -- The 6800 totally dominated. Again.

Bill Gates	posted - May, 18 2004 - 06:54
That's right. All you lamers ripping me off with pirate copies of Windows(tm) XP(tm) -- suck it down. With the money you spend on purchasing legit copies of Windows(tm) XP(tm), i will be able to buy a new island in the pacific for myself. :-)

Bill Gates	posted - May, 18 2004 - 07:01
OS X Makes Slow Debut on PC - "It's incomplete, buggy and horribly slow..." Sounds like the final release! No worries!

This ATI vs Nvidia f

posted - May, 18 2004 - 08:17

Dominated FX5900? lol The page is down now, but Ive seen the comparisons before and your just trying to get a fight going. Im guessing Nvidia's new "awesome" card was compared to the older model 9800XT ATI cards. heh Ya, thats dominating... Why dont I just go to Mahamud Ali's home and pick a fight with him and when I push him down and Ill call myself a Heavy weight champion! lol Stop bein stupid and starting fights FX5900. Your lookin lame. Again. :P

@@	posted - May, 18 2004 - 09:06
The FarCry PS 3.0 video is okay, looks like they are trying to use a crappy version of virtual displacement mapping for the rocks but i'm not buying it.

NOTHING	posted - May, 18 2004 - 09:10
I want a HyWire car damn it! Fuel costs are busting my b@lls!

FX5900	posted - May, 18 2004 - 09:20
The 6800U was compared to a X800. And it still won. And I'm not trying to start fights - you ati-lovebirds can't accept defeat!

FX5900	posted - May, 18 2004 - 09:21
oh yeah, HL2 being released on July 2nd. OH WAIT... somebody leaked screenshots, now it will be delayed another 12 months.

funny	posted - May, 18 2004 - 09:52
6800u compared to a x800? that is stupid, I thought 6800u is in the same class as x800xt.

stupid	posted - May, 18 2004 - 09:59
well they are comparing the 6800u to x800pro and 9800xt to 5950U. Needless to say the 9800xt punks the 5950U like a school girl but matching a 6800u to a x800pro? wow they must be retarded or something. Next time they will compare a 6800gt to a 9600xt.

Stop the damn ATI vs

posted - May, 18 2004 - 10:25

Im not an "ATI lovebird" as you quickly assumed proving you knew you were starting something pointing that out. And I never said I was pro ATI or against Nvidia, but you assumed I was once again proving you knowingly said something you knew could cause a fight. That and I have an ATI and Nvidia card in 2 different CPU's, Im just tired of people starting the stupid "See this card maker rocks" posts, that we all can see already since we can READ! Besides for someone calling another a "lovebird" you sure sound like one yourself. If you love a video card maker then quietly rejoice, insteed of opening your mouth because your the only one who really cares what your saying.

Stop the damn ATI vs	posted - May, 18 2004 - 10:31
I agree "stupid", they need to stop comparing these biased comparisons of cards. I mean comparing the 6800u to a x800pro is like comparing apples and oranges.

FX5900	posted - May, 18 2004 - 10:56
The 6800U should be compared to the X800 Pro. The 6800U Extreme Ed. lines up against the X800XT. I think you ATI fanboys are TOO SENSITIVE. You don't want to give up your winning days where the 9800XT was 0.1fps-better.

idiot

posted - May, 18 2004 - 11:43

Here we go again, fx5900 wanting to prove something againg.... Dude, why don't U go to see a doctor? Does being a total dumbass make you happy? I've seen MANY benchs about the new cards you certainly haven't, cause you wouldn't state stupidities - again. Go back to primary school and learn to read or have some newer glasses. OFF/ Nvidia should come up with a 'new' extreme giga mega turbo 6800 ultra that might win against the x800xt in some appz.

El_Coyote	posted - May, 18 2004 - 12:50
actually its 6800u vs x800xt - the extreme ed was a last minute effort to regain the crown, and the card isnt even being released in acceptible quantities - only a few chips will be supplied to AIB partners who will be doing waterbased cooling solutions on them due to heat issues.

FX5900 needs some ho

posted - May, 18 2004 - 13:09

Should be FX5900? lol You must live under powerlines if you think comparing the 6800U to the X800 Pro is even. You must be a complete retard to think we all dont notice you just post here to antagonize people. Besides last I checked you couldnt tell your head from your ass lol, amd your opinion on what should be compared to what is really lopsided. Take off that foil hat you wear to keep the aliens from reading your mind and go outside once and a while :P. Theres a world outside these boards and online porn, I highly recommend that you check it out before you become socially inept any further. lol

xxxx	posted - May, 18 2004 - 16:09
snore.. so many dumb n00bs come to this site. FX5900, all they are trying to get you to do is post. just leave the n00b's alone..if they want to think ati is better let em, you can't teach a brain dead gerbil, i think their parents already proved that when they were born..

bob	posted - May, 18 2004 - 16:31
as somewho who couldnt give a shit about video cards (my GF2GTS does all I need) I'd like to point out what complete losers you guys look like bickering over who makes better cards. if [insert brand here] makes better cards thatn [inser other brand here], then why dont you shut the fuck up, buy their card and go play some games on it. ffs

FX5900	posted - May, 18 2004 - 17:23
xxxx, thanks - you put things in perspective for me. Gerbil's are only entertaining when you put them into a Microwave, so n00bs... NUKE OFF! :-)

xxxx	posted - May, 18 2004 - 17:28
hey bob, how's halflife? cuz that's the only game you can play with your antique you cheap bitch. perfect example of a cheap bitch and why he's still playing HL.

R9600	posted - May, 18 2004 - 18:19
Viruses shown to destroy lung, colon tumors... obviously not perfected yet, but still very interesting indeed.

Help FX5900 get a li

posted - May, 19 2004 - 03:06

n00bs? LoL Sounds like someones is another Nvidia nut and loves tossing that over used word around. The one thing thats always obvious, the only ones that use that term are usually the "n00bs". Face the facts FX5900, your "perspective" is biased and always will be. You prove that everyday when you post about how great Nvidia is when no one really cares but you and xxxx. So take xxxx and the term n00b and go get a hobby, or at least a better way of arguing aside from tossing out the trite term "n00b". ::sigh::

FX5900	posted - May, 19 2004 - 03:19
What video card do you own? be honest now?

giGGler	posted - May, 19 2004 - 03:48
WHO CARES! ITS A VIDEO CARD! Bunch of silly people. Bob makes a lot of sense too.

uzi9mm	posted - May, 19 2004 - 04:12
GabeTNT (brought it on September 30th 2003)

FX5900

posted - May, 19 2004 - 05:56

A GabeTNT sounds sweet. :-) I realize it's only a video card. Truth is I'm sick of people telling me I'm pro nvidia and biased JUST cos i declare what video card i have. Someone with a R9600 does not have the hardware to warrent expressing his/her opinion that ATI is better based on their experience. Simple as that. And besides, if you look at the statistics, overall nVidia IS BETTER. There are benchmarks where ATI kicks ass but overall nVidia sneeks in! I'm only stating the facts presented in the reviews. Now go back to commenting on the news items rather than your personal attacks against me.

FX5900 relax?

posted - May, 19 2004 - 13:51

Honestly, I have an Nvidia GeForce 5950 Ultra and a ATI Radeon 9800 XT 256MB. To be candid I love Nvidia, and I love ATI. But I hate the biased people that populate these boards with worthless chatter about "Nvidia/ATI is the best!". I mean who cares about you opinion aside from you and the other 3 petty people who rant on about card makers. And I will be honest FX5900, I would be just as stern if you were a pro ATI fanatic. I mean come on there's enough division in the world these days, to just have people divided over something as silly as a video card is futile. Im sure your a great person, but you have to understand that all this pro Nvidia will always be debatable. Im not saying you have to love ATI, but at least be a bigger person and understand there are people who would appreciate (Even if its unintentional) if you didn't put down their video card.:\ ((Btw don't mind the posting email addy, had to have someway to be recognized))

fx5900 likes kiddie	posted - May, 19 2004 - 14:21
come on guys, FX5900 has seen the light. only as a Nvidiot will you get in to heaven. BUT! its not to late, you ati n00bs can still be saved! Repent while you still can! kekekeke

R9600	posted - May, 19 2004 - 15:01
"Someone with a R9600 does not have the hardware to warrent expressing his/her opinion that ATI is better based on their experience" -> "I'm only stating the facts presented in the reviews." --------- I would have to agree with bob on this one.

[email protected]=Troll

posted - May, 19 2004 - 15:16

[email protected]'s sarcasm one of the reasons we even have these petty arguements. Not to mention once again using the trite term of "n00b". God please stop tossing it around as if your not a n00b saying it. ::sigh:: The only people I see using that term around are usually 15 year olds that are n00bs themselves and antogonize everyone else with an almost bipolar opinion lol. Stop being a troll [email protected] and trying to ignite another arguement. Just sit go sit in the corner... not for your bashing of ATI but just for being an outright idiot. :\

xxxx

posted - May, 19 2004 - 16:08

if we're 15, we're still 3 years older than you. so stfu. @R9600, ur a moron, why? cuz u'd believe anything you read in a review and ur too dunce to read between the lines. do u know anything of the merits of the reviewer? is his name well known in the industry? what was the registry settings in his machine with an ati or how about with a nvidia? did he actually have right refresh rates, did he have vsync enabled/disabled? was his hd clean and defragged? was his windows updated? was his machine running well at all and by who's standard? reviews are bs and especially more so when you read them from gay ass sites like rage3d and nvnews. they are there to solicit their respective cards. anyone going around and saying, oh joe blow said this card is fantastic so yours sucks is a true moron to me. it's support, stability and reputation and ati has only got a inflated reputation based on one generation of card. nVidia was king and is still king. there is next to no problems ever with a nvidia and game developers continue to make their games designed for nvidia NOT ati. if you don't know that, ur a moron. simple as that. throwing, best played on nvidia may be a bit of marketing but ask STALKER guys or anyone else sporting the logo and they'll tell you YES we primarily designed on nVidia and in most cases nVidia helped in the development of their game. JUST LIKE STALKER. so stfu with ur reviews and go learn something u dumb fucks.

FX5900

posted - May, 19 2004 - 17:10

To "FX5900 relax?". That was a very mature post. I happen to share your opinion on both cards. Where I come from, everything is pro-ATI and i get sick of the ATI crap. So when nVidia does well, I highlight it. Of course the ATI guys don't appreciate that. And because of my username (FX5900) it doesn't much for me to be taken the wrong way and for it to spark another boring ATI vs nVidia bitch-fight. I wish ATI and nVidia would merge; then we've have a video card we love and hate with no alternatives. :-) So do you have another username that's more socially acceptable? ;-)

lucas

posted - May, 19 2004 - 17:24

best flamewar ever, but im going to have to incite goodwin's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodwin%27s_Law) cause you're all as bad as hitler, wanting only one video card to rule the planet. im guessing most of you are to young to understand this, but if the competetion between ati and nvidia ever ends, the winner stops throwing money at R&D and progress stands still. you NEED the enemy to make your company work harder

R9600

posted - May, 19 2004 - 18:01

xxxx? thanks for agreeing with my point, while missing another entirely. My choice for this card was not based on a review, it was based on the "Next to no problems" I had with the FX5600 ultra, and 3 weeks of dealing with Nvidia's standard tech reply's. Once again, I'd like to direct you to Bob's comment, as I pretty much think the same way. Oh, one more thing about reading between the lines. "game developers continue to make their games designed for nvidia NOT ati". If you owned Nvidia, how would you make that happen?..personally I don't give a sh!t, but you seem to think it says somthing about the quality of a product. Maybe it's like company's having to buy shelve space in woolworths, but no, your far better @ reading between the lines then I. Enjoy living with your mum, sounds like you have a few more years left. L8r

xxxx

posted - May, 19 2004 - 18:10

ur full of shit. wife has same card and has 'known' problems with MANY games that I DON'T. quit lying you POS. I didn't reply to the entirety of your post because i'm playing with you and your pro-ati bias. maybe you missed something jackass. companies get HELP FROM NVIDIA WHILE DEVELOPING GAMES U DON"T BELIEVE ME GET OFF UR BONEY ASS AND ASK THEM AND GET ENLIGHTENED! THEY DONT GET HELP FROM ATI. In FACT nobody DOES! ur a real smacktard man. STALKER WILL SAY THE SAME THING WHEN IT LOADS BECAUSE NVIDIA HELPED THEM DEVELOP THE GAME AND MAKE IT MORE PLAYABALE ON NVIDIA. NOT ATI! DON'T BELIVE ME, GO ASK EM!Smacktard. Ur just another dumbass who thinks ati is the best when really u havent got a fucking clue. and a little correction. "u don't give a shit" nah u do, you just got zero knowledge of what ur talking about and u know you lost so that's ur little escape clause. go read some magazine and talk to some people that actually know more than their ass from their forehead.

sick of fanboys	posted - May, 19 2004 - 18:44
Quote xxxx: "Ur just another dumbass who thinks ati is the best when really u havent got a fucking clue." i can take that sentance, change one word and it applies equally well, if not better, to you. can you guess what that word is?

idiot

posted - May, 19 2004 - 20:02

xxxx@xxxx, congrat for your last comment. It really shows your (lack of) intelligence. Who do you want to persuade about nv's greatness? I tell you what. nvidia is the best! I'm sure this is what you and fx5900 want to hear, period. So what? Go buy your nv stuff, just leave everybody here and just hate yourself, you moron. Oh yea, and speak dirty, it does make your arguments more convincing. Btw, I just can't take it any more seriously and I'm just laughing my head off on your comments. :) Just go on. Go go gooo!!

xxxx

posted - May, 19 2004 - 20:05

no tell me guru? pff i couldn't give a shit what u mixed around in my words or how u feel about this place, and as a matter of fact, NOBODY gives a shit. To be perfectly honest, u can play in ur pants for all i care smacktard. if ya got something to say then say it dickweed, or just stfu, like the half of ya should. PROVE ME WRONG "ANYWHERE" IF YOU CAN. SHOW ME PROOF that at least 3 GAMES didn't have nVidia help in the making but have the stamp on the game. it's not just marketing(like a ati fagboy will say), its something agreed upon when nVidia helped them. 3! that's a small amount to find! Ya wont. just like ur bs name, ur just here to troll and that's it. If half of u took the time to investigate u'd probably have a clue. unfortunately u just like coming here trying to act like ya know something. just a bunch of lonely, no life clueless wonders who are suckers for anything they read.

Samadama

posted - May, 19 2004 - 20:53

BoB...I second that xxx...I second and third that.. I am not the person that gets in to arguments, and I really don't care about NVidia or ATI. But I will say this, I have a Ti4600 For about 2 years or more and have not had one Problem not one, I recently bought an AIW 9800pro, which is not a bad card at all, I do like it, it is just that it is the Sorriest Piece of Sh!t when it comes to installing,Drivers, and support, just to update your AIW drivers you have to uninstall like 5 or 6 things and REBOOT and then install IDIVIDUALLY BECAUSE IF YOU DO IT ALL TOGETHER SOMETHING WILL GO WRONG. I mean we all know Microsoft suxs just like ATI is known for its pathetic drivers and support. Even if Nvidia is slower, they have nothing bad against them, and thats the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..(I saw this in Three Stooges) ;o)

Samadama	posted - May, 19 2004 - 21:02
I am sorry, its xxxx, Senior moment, I am gettin old.... :o)

Tom

posted - May, 20 2004 - 00:50

Well I side with xxx cuz his points are valid and as someone who has dabbled in making of games I know it to be true that nvidia does provide lots of excellent support to developers. In terms of drivers, there's no contest, nvidia has lots more drivers. ATI has a bunch too, but the problem is they have issues with almost every one. There is so many nvidia 'good' drivers you essentially can't go wrong, face the facts. If I'm spending that kind of money, I know my next card will stay nvidia even if it's a few fps cuz I know I can tweak and I'm guaranteed every game works. Lately ATI was putting nvidia down because of 'standards' claims, but hey, how hard did ATI work to get a standard???? Hi we can help? oh no answer, fine. Standards are a good thing and I hope they can work together and make it easier for gamers.

FX5900	posted - May, 20 2004 - 07:21
This was a great flame war. It feels especially good to be a winner like xxx and Tom. Let's continue it on another thread. ;-)

Rob

posted - May, 20 2004 - 14:09

Actually, I don't have a name on here FX5900 heh, I didn't post here till yesterday. I had to watch my daughter today but looks like I missed a good debate lol. As for my name its Rob. And if you look at the post email it says FX5900_isnt_an_idiot lol (I knew I was unfair the night before so I changed it). And Tom don't forget, there have been far more Nvidia driver versions than ATI. So by reason of averages of course they would have a higher stable driver percentage :). Oh and xxxx good come back lol ... might as well has said n00b yourself with that bad opening come back and pointless display of vulgarity. I will totally agree that you cant put stock in the opinions of biased reviewers. But once again your whole post seemed to be biased in its own right. Which also gave the appearance you only know to use abusive scare tactics to win your argument. :( You mention companies wanting to do business with Nvidia for the fact they are more widely used ... but you said it yourself Nvidia offers to help in development of said game. So that's more offering services in exchange for self promotion, so of course they will add the logo. I mean its more likely the free help on their project drawing the game developers, not popularity :P. Who knows you might be right, but in this world it feels highly unprobable. This whole argument of whose better (whether any of us feels there's an answer or not) is a moot point. Maybe for you this is Nvidia vs ATI xxxx, but to me (And FX5900 mentioned later) this is more about fairness. Im proud to have an Nvidia and ATI card during both companies prime, but I don't plan on choosing sides any time soon. :)

xxxx	posted - May, 20 2004 - 16:01
rob, prove me wrong. now that the topic is off the page you'll disappear. figures. anyone care to prove me wrong on ANY of my points. go ahead.

Rob

posted - May, 21 2004 - 09:40

Prove you wrong in what? lol And see your just full of hot air when it comes to arguments. You automatically want to proclaim yourself the winner in the same post you give the challenge. :P I guess me responding disproves your whole "ingenious" theory that I will disappear though. And I have to ask you, why would I disappear? Because your so talented in debating? From what I've seen, far from it lol. If anything this meeting with you makes me see why this ATI Vs Nvidia topic has gotten so out of control. Gladly you don't speak for all Nvidia users. If you want to continue this argument with negative trolling, feel free. But you wont see a response from me to help condone the trolling as there's nothing left to dispute but a narrow-minded man who has nothing better than to bicker over a business competition between 2 companies that could careless about him. If you want to be a winner that bad then claim it all you want. But today all I see is a bitter and angry man whose loosing a lot more if this is that important, and I highly doubt I'm the only one who sees it. :\

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