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Why You Can't Shoot Civilians In Battlefield 3 - briefly
(hx) 09:51 PM CEST - Aug,31 2011 - Post a comment / read (17)
RPS has news that while there will be civilians in Battlefield 3, players will not be able to fire upon them:
Responding to victorious RPS reader/compo entrant Joe O'Connor's question as to whether Battlefield 3′s story would delve into the moral arguments around war, Bach argued that "Games are where movies were in the 30s or 40s, when it went from a technical spectacle to ‘hey, wait a minute we can actually use this to tell something, be political' and things like that. I think we are on the verge of seeing things like that."

However, potentially holding that back is that "if you put the player in front of a choice where they can do good things or bad things, they will do bad things, go dark side – because people think it's cool to be naughty, they won’t be caught..."

"In a game where it’s more authentic, when you have a gun in your hand and a child in front of you what would happen? Well the player would probably shoot that child."

This is something Bach wants to avoid, because while the choice to do that 'bad' thing would have been the player’s, “We would be the ones to be blamed. We have to build our experiences so we don’t put the player in experiences where they can do bad things.” While not explicitly mentioned, the spectre of Modern Warfare 2 and its notorious ‘No Russian’ level seemed to this correspondent to loom large here.

So, Bach admitted that there was a degree of self-censoring necessary to limit potentially disagreeable player behaviour. “Me personally, I’m trying to stay away from civilians in games like BF because I think people will do bad. I don’t want to see videos on the internet where people shoot civilians. That’s something I will sanitise by removing that feature from the game.”

Importantly, “That doesn’t mean that I don’t want people to feel that war is not good,… We are trying to do something that is more mature. Mature not being gore –some people confuse the two. That’s childish actually, to want more blood.”

Bach hinted that something in Battlefield 3′s singleplayer narrative would involve a more thoughtful look at the nature of war, but wouldn’t be drawn on any specifics as yet.
last 10 comments:
Kompressor(10:25 PM CEST - Aug,31 2011 )
Every week it's something new that makes the game worse.

Gaz(11:14 PM CEST - Aug,31 2011 )
Kompressor> Every week it's something new that makes the game worse.

They only good news now, is the removing of the jets. IMO they ruin the game.

Ozieo(11:45 PM CEST - Aug,31 2011 )
So, this means we will not be able to shoot the developers ? :(

zarlin(12:32 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
just make a system were you get negative points when you hit a civilian, or make your sight blurr for some sec that way peps may chill before shooting and not go RAMBO all the time :wink:

(01:26 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
Pretty sad too as I was excited about this game when the first videos dropped. Since then they've let out nothing but bad news though.

Koogle(06:27 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
BF3 a war game trying to make out it has morals? LOL all players go dark side when posed with a moral choice in their actions? no so long as 'legal' bullshit protected in what they do its 'ok' LOL.... If that wasn't the case then you would be also get the choice to tell your superiors to go fuck themselves and do the scummy mission themselves, like the corrupt brainless government slurping shit heads they are, while you go sight seeing the local area before your nations armed shit heads come an fuck the place up for other corporate and world government agendas..

so gimme a break, these fucking shit heads know exactly what they're doing. This is just public relations drivel and more marketing to the drones who think they have any fucking morals, they must still be counting on people buying the game after that legal degenerate EULA crap they pulled.

Kompressor(06:39 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
Is there humping in this game?

lorcro2000(10:12 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
Oh puhleeze.The whole concept of war is immoral, wrong and stupid - it is a consequence of the fact that we're still uncivilized apes, we're just uncivilized apes with guns now. If we didn't have a society built on money, trade and competition (ie, mental and ritualized warfare even between individuals) we wouldn't have to kill each other over resources, which is what virtually all conflicts come down to.

The Battlefield series glorifies violence and war; they're practically recruitment posters for the armed forces. I don't so much mind that (though it's idiotic if people don't realize it), but I do mind if they get all sanctimonious and mealy-mouthed about it. Battlefield games are murder simulators, plain and simple. People want that and enjoy that (hell I like those games myself) but let's not get all sanctimonious and holier than thou over making it impossible to kill kids. The moral difference between that and killing poorly equipped young men who have had their parents/wives/children blown up by US drones as "unavoidable collateral damage" and just can't take it anymore is razor thin as it is.

Majnun(10:27 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
How hard would it be to make it when you shoot a civilian the rest of your unit yells at you and then shoots your stupid ass for killing civilians?

I mean really, if you want to enforce yer morals...DO IT. PUSSY. KILL THE FUCKERS that kill civilians...game over.

FUCK YOU CIVILIAN KILLING MORONS.

Oh and add friendly fire in yer other crappy games too...so you have to avoid killing NON targets. Good luck with that.

zarlin(10:47 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
New DLC comming " civilian dress" 10$ dress up like a civilian and walk around for 15 sec without getting killed

Koogle(11:25 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
Majnun> How hard would it be to make it when you shoot a civilian the rest of your unit yells at you and then shoots your stupid ass for killing civilians?

I mean really, if you want to enforce yer morals...DO IT. PUSSY. KILL THE FUCKERS that kill civilians...game over.

FUCK YOU CIVILIAN KILLING MORONS.

Oh and add friendly fire in yer other crappy games too...so you have to avoid killing NON targets. Good luck with that.


Nah I take the opposite approach, if you want a realistic war game, then make it fucking realistic! What they are doing is just wanting a war game where the only other people (who can more easily be defined as enemies of your puppet government and its rulers because they are the armed resistance, where as women and children pose a harder socially engineered boundary whereby statists can make their drones and people at home think they have any fucking morals in what they are doing, just don't think just because you aren't shooting them, they aren't getting fucked by your country at a later date because of what you took part in.

And in the game those that are killable is only because it fits the storyline narrative they created where you play a dumb fuck drone who is told what to do (if they wanted to do something different they would put the choice of doing it different or not at all, only that wouldn't work in getting the player to go through the game and become more conditioned to thinking they were on the 'good side'. By taking out women and children it makes it easier to shove this motive of war on shit as more acceptable, as it makes out that anyone fighting against you and your army of jackboot thugs is in the wrong for defending themselves against scum who drop their morals when they signed up to any form of government affiliated organizations that can order them around like wage slaves. If that means they just have to delude themselves into thinking they have the right to invade or man hunt people for their political war/law controllers interests (the real problem causers) without so much as question then that is what they signed up for.

And if you shoot a 'civilian' (an old term used to describe a subject of royalty ie a FUCKING SLAVE, below in rank from civil servant shit head, or any other military policy drone rank) as opposed to another human being regardless of gender, age, or political bullshit nationality! etc then the 'game' should base your getting away with murder on if any witnesses were about, how good your teammates are loyal to you so they stfu in any phony political investigations (by scum who don't actually care anyway so much as they do about the impression others have that they do) .. etc.. etc etc etc etc etc.. FUCK EA and military psyop scum and political war and law legal shit heads.

Koogle(11:26 AM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
zarlin> New DLC comming " civilian dress" 10$ dress up like a civilian and walk around for 15 sec without getting killed

lol

El_Coyote(12:16 PM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
"And in the game those that are killable is only because it fits the storyline narrative they created where you play a dumb fuck drone who is told what to do."

You know, kinda like soldiers in the real world...

ironjim(07:02 PM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
The whole gameindustry is BS. Everyone makes games for babies just to be able to sell it to kids. Please make a wargame for adults. With blood, bodyparts and dead civilians.

tride(08:04 PM CEST - Sep,01 2011 )
Oh man, reading all this stupid whining show again what kind of people sit in front a PC and plays games, then why games get so retarded.... lol
Nothing new actually, because the human being is like that since the it stood on 2 legs... lol.


DICE aways says that they are a company that doesnt want to take side in all the crap BS that this world is in constantly.
I dont see any problem in not being able to shoot people because = WHO GIVES A SHIT ABOUT SP ?
This game is, and aways was, and aways will be MP... end of story!

And to all those retards that would love to shoot some fukin retard arabs in the game, lol..... go sign in the US army and go get your dose of real action! - moron!

RayzorBlue(02:08 AM CEST - Sep,02 2011 )
Seriously how can anyone create conspiracy theories out of the fact you cannot shoot innocents in a game, and how does this make the game worse this shit isn't Postal ffs.
The guy is right, if he gave me the choice to shoot a civilian I would do it and I would find it funny so i am glad he is removing that moral dilemma for me.
Can't wait for the final release as Tride say's it's all about the MP.

Koogle(12:23 PM CEST - Sep,02 2011 )
lorcro2000 nicely said specially quote:
The Battlefield series glorifies violence and war; they're practically recruitment posters for the armed forces. I don't so much mind that (though it's idiotic if people don't realize it), but I do mind if they get all sanctimonious and mealy-mouthed about it.


Pretty much how I feel about it, they'd been better off not saying anything, then trying to come out with all this toss on how players would kill the 'civilians' if they put them in.. sure many would even by 'accident' just like in real life because well that shit happens when you go invading other countries/peoples property, and giving moral inept jug heads, guns... and they don't want to see that.. lol its only a fucking game right? or they just want people get stuck in and believe in political correctness bullshit which is INCORRECT because it paints a deceptive picture about a lot things mainly all the bad shit that people should see and social engineering shit heads rather not.

quote:
The guy is right, if he gave me the choice to shoot a civilian I would do it and I would find it funny so i am glad he is removing that moral dilemma for me.


Hardly a fucking moral dilemma for you is it then.. pfff.. you go ahead and buy it , personally the bigger issue for me is the EULA crap they are trying to shove down customers throats more than anything else. That and the approved server hosting monopoly bullshit... fuk em I say.

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