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Thousands Of Starcraft II Cheaters Busted - briefly
(hx) 02:13 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 - Post a comment / read (23)
Blizzard announced that over 5,000 users have been banned from Starcraft 2:
We recently took action, including suspensions and bans, on over 5,000 StarCraft II players who were in violation of the Battle.net Terms of Use for cheating and/or using hack programs while playing. In addition to undermining the spirit of fair competition that’s essential to play on Battle.net, cheating and hacking can lead to stability and performance issues with the service. Maintaining a stable, safe, and secure online-gaming experience for legitimate players is a top priority for us, and we'll be continuing to keep watch on Battle.net and take action as needed.
last 10 comments:
Tom(03:31 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
Good. 5,000 seems rather low though

Koogle(04:18 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
^ ignore the apathetic idiot above, probably sucks so much he constantly see cheaters every multilayer game he goes to! .. the perfect blizztard and scum gaming company customer. Go play in the supposedly safe and fair play consoletard environment where the only cheaters make good money from suckers!

Blizztard like the epic fucking monkey scumbag morons they truly (for many reasons) are and are run by(Vivendi), are a doing mega fuckup job of tying singleplayer offline gaming into their shit mass multiplayer monitoring system (as has already been done by other gaming scumpany's) , such that anyone using cheats/trainers/hacks for single player offline gaming can now get a legitimate purchase completely revoked. Such a system design could only be thought up of by uber deceiving scumbags. And that is just a small part of the problem.

People/sheeple are really getting suckered into supporting a lot of shit changes in the gaming market/industry (like so much else in this world)

because they are not realizing where this is ultimately going. You probably don't cheat multiplayer (and good just like many don't), but that doesn't mean that just because you/someone else(or friend/foe) uses a/your gaming account with cheats and gets your game nerfed by corporate scumbags that actually don't give a shit about the cheating (they are the master at that game) as much as they care about making more money and appealing to dumb shits as above with setting the precedent for being allowed to get away with what they are doing.

Anti cheat blocking, nah , but that is what you should be wanting, as is playing with people you trust or in leagues etc, too much effort, instead you're supporting the wrong things, mass account wipes no questions asked or appeals(on wrongful banning), yes that is what you're supporting you stupid shits!

Also cheats are not bad ffs(they can add new life to an old game(and i'm not condoning cheating against others who aren't cheating), but go play on a server where everyone is cheating, its actually quite funny, in the end the better player always wins (no change there then).

Cheats just make a mockery of stupid shit things like achievements and other crap by design shit that gaming companies are trying to use to make their all gfx boring games seem more challenging and addicting to keep gamers playing/paying, for some pathetic reward points like poor lab rats being given some food pellets. I believe its working quite well at making people more stupid and apathetic as they fail to see how they are the ones who are being played for fools.

Csimbi(04:53 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
I think single player cheating is perfectly fine.
Regarding cheating in multi-player I think it could be fun as Koogle says, but then all players should be aware of all cheats/exploits and they should be able to use them as much as they like (so, there is a balance). Problem is, these conditions are most of the time not met.
As for revoking the rights - we have not been customers for a long long time; we are consumers, and the corporations abuse our pockets as they see fit. Maybe a lawsuit against Blizzard should set a precedence.

Tom(06:15 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
Awwww Koogle got banned. :lol:

Cheating is not acceptable period. I have never used cheats, I only keep track of them. I have never used exploits either. Never. I got class and pride and when I'm playing with others, it's my skill not some lame artificial helper aiding my sorry ass. To hell with your lame ass support of cheaters Csimbi. Trying or even opening your ears to trying to find some reason to make it acceptable is BS and makes me think your just another prick who cheats and probably got banned. Cheating is not acceptable period and more games should have systems in place to ban permanently any loser who can't play without cheating.

Launch a lawsuit? whatever, like it will do anything. Pfft. It's written in black and white. Cheat and be banned. Only a fucking retard would whine and complain after he got banned for cheating. DUH! Tough shit. Learn how to play the game like a normal honest person and quit being a dickhead cheating and exploiting.

#1 reason people left gaming on PC is because of lame ass fucking cheaters. People with balls smaller than a fucking mouse cheat. Little people like Koogle and Csimbi who try and justify cheating are even worse. Get a fucking clue you morons and learn how to play the game without cheating. Notice how I keep repeating this line. Because maybe one time you read it it might sink into that fucking hard as cement skull on your shoulders.

And Koogle, I could kick your ass at any game. You and your square fucking CRT. Pfft. I laugh at cheaters and fags like you that have to use some lame way to kill me. If that's what it takes, so be it. I've never whined on a forum or anything. Why?! Who would give a fucking rats ass?! When cheating gets bad and it's generally accepted amongst friends/clan I leave. Usually in most games Koogle, I am the LAST to leave. So FU. As for Star Craft, I guess you'll just have to purchase another copy.

raven99(07:13 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
Koogle you have to be the biggest conspiracy theorist idiot I've ever seen.
You have yet to put together a post that doesn't make you sound like some foul mouth inbred hill-jack. Every time I read one of your posts I think to myself (wow koogle cant possibly get more ignorant), but then you always prove me wrong. I think the day you actually post something more intelligent than your typical 12 year old rants I might actually fall out of my chair.

Csimbi(08:48 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
I don't know Tom. You like shooters, right?
Ever tried Serious Sam on highest difficulty setting with cheats?
You could give if a go once. The fun begins when you don't just shoot the enemies, but turn them against each other, let yourself be kicked far in the air, etc...
That's what I mean. There's surely no fun in playing any game "normally" (the way it was meant to be played) using cheats. Cheats allow you to have some extra fun.
I do not think Koogle or I are suggesting that you should ruin your gaming experience with cheating. There's no point buying the game then - and I agree with that. What I am trying to say is: I meant it as an additional fun factor. And, Blizzard should facilitate people who desire to do so in an isolated environment - taking their money and turning their back on them just because they want to play the game in a different way is just plain unethical.

Do you like racing? You're not going to drive a Ferrari like a maniac across the neighborhood, do you? No. There is a separate (and safe) environment where you can do that. It's called racing. Spectators even pay good money to watch it.
Blizzard could create such a safe environment for people who feel adventurous, and they could even make money with it.

The rules of every community are defined the members of the community itself.
So, Blizzard refuses (and roots out) the possibility of "being different" - which was called racism at a different place and a different time, wasn't it?

Tom(09:44 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
Don't get your shorts in a bunch ok.. I'm not flaming.

Csimbi> I don't know Tom. You like shooters, right?
Ever tried Serious Sam on highest difficulty setting with cheats?
You could give if a go once. The fun begins when you don't just shoot the enemies, but turn them against each other, let yourself be kicked far in the air, etc...
That's what I mean. There's surely no fun in playing any game "normally" (the way it was meant to be played) using cheats. Cheats allow you to have some extra fun.


I did that a long time ago, I got my thrill and never did it again. God mode on Doom. But it was legit commands not external scripts/hacks. I know what you mean but it doesn't apply to this game. People aren't just exploiting/exploring the game they are exploiting their game service.

Csimbi>
I do not think Koogle or I are suggesting that you should ruin your gaming experience with cheating. There's no point buying the game then - and I agree with that. What I am trying to say is: I meant it as an additional fun factor.


From the way I interpreted it, it seems you were looking to justify it. Which you still are. Who the F agree's with anything Koogle says? You'd have to be a complete nutcase. You know as well as me he is having a suck fit cuz he got banned. Serves him right.

Csimbi>
And, Blizzard should facilitate people who desire to do so in an isolated environment - taking their money and turning their back on them just because they want to play the game in a different way is just plain unethical.


You may be right but then they don't allow LAN play, you are playing on their servers. So it doesn't matter what people desire. You knew that when you bought the game. Rules are the rules, people bought the game knowing even single player is on Battlenet. Adhere to the rules or be gone is Blizzards stance. I agree and there should be no exceptions. Go play another RTS outside of Battlenet.

Csimbi>
Do you like racing? You're not going to drive a Ferrari like a maniac across the neighborhood, do you? No. There is a separate (and safe) environment where you can do that. It's called racing. Spectators even pay good money to watch it.
Blizzard could create such a safe environment for people who feel adventurous, and they could even make money with it.


Again, they already made that decision and it's no. Battlenet or nothing.

Csimbi>
The rules of every community are defined the members of the community itself.
So, Blizzard refuses (and roots out) the possibility of "being different" - which was called racism at a different place and a different time, wasn't it?

Absolutely not. Your racism analogy has nothing to do with running a business and/or agreeing to a EULA. You are bound to those rules period. They are enforcing their rules you agreed to when you purchased the game and registered with your serial.

Koogle(10:07 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
"Awwww Koogle got banned."

typical of the stinking mentality of a fucking retarded asshole... if they don't agree with it they must have been involved in it. With fail logic like that Tom its easy to see why you're such a tool.

Well the answer to your retard statement is: NO I didn't get banned you stupid nub, I don't cheat others! I just see things for what is really going.

"Cheating is not acceptable period"

Collectivist drone type mentality.. game cheating is not acceptable because you're a whinny little shit head, who wants to the paint the world in your own feces and have everyone be just like you. When really this cheating is NOT the problem, the problem is that you can't totally control something, and those who try, deserve to fail. Get that into your head.

Those who want to cheat others is a problem, but not the cheats, that will never go away and NOR should it, just like reverse engineering is not a problem as it is those who waste millions and billions on patenting and protecting things that they've claimed only they have the right to know, use and abuse because they got in first with the money to pay off the law sharks. When really they should have just got it out to market sooner instead of being such assholes.

This whole banning players from their own game instead of just the servers they've played on etc is in itself cheating those people. Cheating others is social community problem etc not for companies to get in on creating systems that cause and create problems in which some players will seek out hacks to use for whatever reason. While the subscribing masses are fooled into thinking they are doing something about cheaters when really they ain't doing shit about it, but cheating all of you and filling their pockets in doing so while you foolishly support their actions, eventually they'll fuck you up aswel unless you become that dumbed down.

And you're also basically thinking its more of problem than it really actually is, but you'll continue to believe in the problem like the boogey man! Like thinking anyone who is actually good is a cheat. Also those who have cheated(even worse someone else using their account) don't deserve to be banned indefinitely or without comeback. You're falling into the trap of stupid neanderthal thinking that has for too long caused more problems than it has EVER solved.

In gaming leagues cheaters are found out, in public games cheaters are found out, the best cheaters however know how to play the game well and want to slip by because they happen to be those who make the biggest show of hating other cheaters when they themselves are cheaters but do not like the attention it gets by others also trying it out.

"And Koogle, I could kick your ass at any game. You and your square fucking CRT. "

lol you could beat me and a squared CRT? first off there still ain't shit on the market that beats having a quality/sized/flat CRT in response times for gaming, and 4:3 is hardly square. Its also a lot fucking better than 16:9 widescreen consumer home LCDs that are only fit for watching consumer movies and crap tv shows NOT pc desktop use or reaction gaming (infact its party why browsers are being dumbed in down GUI because the majority got suckered by the lcd manufactures being cheap skates)! I have 2x24" lcd 16:10 for desktop/production and some non fps gaming. And not only would my skill beat your stupid noob ass in any fps/strategy game, but I also wouldn't be playing with handicap of using a delayed LCD and you think you'd kick my ass? rofl

don't make me laugh, I also don't ever cheat in multiplayer games, infact I rarely ever use cheats/trainers for singleplayer offline games except for fun and after playing the games normally. Stupid idiots like you FAIL.. in everything even critical thinking by the things you say about cheating and those who do it, just idiotic.

but worse you're supporting companies like blizztard to get away with designing absolutely stupid game setups that want complete control over the gamers gaming experience, including into the single player experience! and total control over it, via punishing those and nullifying what they've paid for it. Maybe through color of law put into legal agreements that they can get away with doing that! but that does NOT mean it should be allowed into the marketplace, and that is what they are getting away with doing. No one asked for stupid singleplayer multiplayer community player rankings, and achievements, some people are going to want to play the game they bought with cheats at some point, only those fuckwits at blizzard see how they can use this approach for their own platform agenda.

I just hope those 5000 people don't ever buy from blizztard ever again.

The sooner people realize this and stop funding this crap and instead save it for those people/companies who can actually deliver more acceptable games that offer more choice to gamers and gaming environment it provides, and don't try to sneak in insidious shit they can abuse for their gains, the better.

Cheating like Pirating is a very useful boogeyman for large companies to use for their own benefit while kicking,screaming and throwing as much bullshit around as they can to fool you muppets into accepting their retarded solutions and narrow minded game designs.

Again cheats and to an extent the vast majority of game cheaters are not the problem! Its simple enough to control those who want to ruin the game for others by cheating others, but giving that power to scumbag companies to get away with outright nullifying someones purchase is just more wrong on top of wrong. Typical of a retards that run and manage those places.

"The rules of every community are defined the members of the community itself.
So, Blizzard refuses (and roots out) the possibility of "being different" - which was called racism at a different place and a different time, wasn't it?"

Exactly.

"I laugh at cheaters and fags like you that have to use some lame way to kill me. If that's what it takes, so be it. I've never whined on a forum or anything. Why?! Who would give a fucking rats ass?! When cheating gets bad and it's generally accepted amongst friends/clan I leave."

You're a liar, and you constantly go on about cheating, you admit yourself you follow the cheating scene, it would not surprise me if you have cheated online against others.

I don't take cheating seriously, its just another side that can be fun and a new experience but like many its only a tiny fraction of people who will use them against others for their own advantage to make up a playing handicap etc. And besides beating someone you really think is cheating should bring you more gaming satisfaction.

"Koogle you have to be the biggest conspiracy theorist idiot I've ever seen"

What fucking conspiracy theories are you talking about stupid statist dumb fuck? Go pull your head out of your ass instead of looking at things through your eyes and ears smeared with shit and lies you've come to believe and worse support. Otherwise you will fall off that chair when the reality of the truth and logic finally smacks you in the face like a ton of bricks for being such a stupid thinking retarded idiot that has supported all the wrong things that only ever caused more problems.

And 'typical' 12year old rants? y'know a lot 12 year old's are less bat shit crazy than adults these days. I'm pretty sure presented with truth and facts they'd see things clearer than most biased and braindead adults do, at least until they've been beat down by the conformist system of dead beat drones who want to form others and their opinions into clones of themselves and anyone thinking out of the box is bad and doing someone out of your formed normality is bad.

Tom(11:19 PM CEST - Oct,01 2010 )
You did get banned, you are Koogle_de_F@g aren't you? :roll: Says here you were banned. :wink: Ah well I guess you just can't admit it, kind like your inferior radiation emitting CRT that's clearly and obviously already melted your 12 year old brain. :lol:

darknothing(12:16 AM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
koogle please please don't type so much, dumb it down, my attention span isn't that great.

Koogle(12:23 AM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
quote:
You did get banned, you are Koogle_de_F@g aren't you? Rolling Eyes Says here you were banned. Wink Ah well I guess you just can't admit it, kind like your inferior radiation emitting CRT that's clearly and obviously already melted your 12 year old brain. Laughing

...You are a muppet... common you're making a fool out of yourself and your make believe list of names(did those fuckwits at blizztard let you in on that or do you work at said shit company)... Completely ripped apart your stupid garbage, but you still want to make up that I got banned?

Banning 5000 people from a game people actually bought is down right scumbaggery. That's a fact, pro corporation legal mumbo jumbo shit is very rarely ever ethically right or on consumer side. Those stupid enough to agree with shit like that deserve contempt. And should not be supported, unfortunately those who did buy that shit can't even use that game to play LAN against other people outside of Blizztardeds stupid shit BATTLE scrap client platform. Anyway probably 5000+ shit heads just like you Tom trying to condone crap like that.

And yes I'll defend those who cheated online/offline now, because they've been cheated even more now. Wrong + Wrong don't ever equal a Right. Numerous ways this could have been better dealt with and managed. Except to fucking gullible idiots and CEO/shareholding shit heads more eager to see what they can get away with next, and how much money they are raking in for it.

Also how do you explain I get banned.... From a game I personally refuse to buy and support for numerous reasons I've already been into here, aswel as from company I cannot stand anymore?!?!

"radiation emitting CRT "

...that is how dumb you are, because you'll get more of a radiation blasting dose going through your entire body going through one airport sheeple scanner once in your life (thanks scared and in fear dumb fucks of society so trusting of lying and destructive corruption scum) than from using a CRT monitor (even an really,really old and bad one, which mine is not.) Anyway LCD's, mobile phones all give out radiation aswel, lets talk about foods and drinks and the shit put in those aswel yeah Tom? It's a system of policies and legislation all designed and allowed into the market (only through lies, coercion and force!) to cause people problems in the future which eventually force said people into requiring and accepting the price for the recovery solutions if at all possible.

p.s 12 year old kids have more mature and functioning brains than you are currently showing!

Csimbi(01:17 AM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
@Tom
While Koogle may have gotten himself banned and feel sour about it, I think the point he was trying to make has some truth to it, and I agree with some parts of it. When it comes to ruining someone else's game, I totally agree with what you are saying and Blizzard is doing.
All I am saying is that people having the desire to cheat should be able to do that (in an isolated environment). I think that Blizzard simply does not want to run a cheaters-battle.net just for the cheaters because that would cost extra, so it's easier to say no.

Tom> Your racism analogy has nothing to do with running a business and/or agreeing to a EULA.
I have to agree that it is a bit far-fetched, but I think you got the point.

About the EULA. I have a problem with this. The EULA is not visible on the box before you buy it. Not even "You cannot cheat in this game, or you will get yourself banned." or some similar warning.
You can see supported operating systems, hardware requirements, ratings, copy protection, internet required, etc.
The warnings about the online cheating are buried somewhere in the EULA that is displayed only once when you install the game. Well, I for one I do not read EULAs anymore, I just click Next. I read one once, and they all look the same. I imagine there are a lot of other gamers out there that do the same thing; they want to proceed right away to the action after they opened the box instead of reading 10s of pages of legal text - which is often hard to digest, and teens might not even comprehend the real implications.
There is a reason for having "do not dry animals in the oven" and a lot of similar rubbish (that seems trivial to people in the EU) on the box of microwave ovens in the US. At a minimum, I would expect Blizzard to put all restrictions on the box that renders the product unusable or renders your warranty void - in this case, cheating.
Other game houses do not put such label on the box, because cheating is fine with them (or, the game is designed in a way that you do not need to worry about it because the server would disconnect a "bad client" with some sync error).
I think making such distinction is clear on the box would avoid a lot of confusion and arguments, because you would be aware of that before you buy it.

When I talk about this topic, I kind of feel a bit like when I talk about copy protection: the companies should acknowledge that there is a need for cheating (same as the need to play your game on you laptop when you travel, without having to carry the disk around) - even if the need is minor compared to the total sales figures. They should find a way to facilitate it instead of denying it.

Koogle(01:41 AM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
"While Koogle may have gotten himself banned and feel sour about it"

lol wtf? I've just stated that is not the case!

"When it comes to ruining someone else's game, I totally agree with what you are saying and Blizzard is doing."

You agree that is ok for a company to steal property? because that is literally what they are doing, they've already made money on the sale and yet have taken that away by designing the game that in such a way that allows them total control over the runnings of it all. And lobbying spineless dipshit parasites into allowing such legal agreements to be allowed in the marketplace and forced on clueless consumers unaware of what they bought is not owned by them at all.

That is outright lawless behavior of illegal being made legal for the benefit of collectivist scum corporatism.

And sure its less fucking retarded than Microsuck ruining/blacklisting perfectly working and more costly actual hardware that anyone is within their right to modify, but it is still total scumbaggery.

A more reasonable and less retarded approach would be just a limited time out ban on those playing multilayer matches while using hacks, or better yet actual anti cheat protection. Really there are fucking tons of easy to implement solutions that are better than this stupid approach that only truly benefits one side of lazy fuktards who I wouldn't be surprised are actually helping the cheat scene and double dipping.

Seriously how fucking stupid apathetic and narcissistic are people becoming in society supporting such stupid ill gotten solutions that they have by design made worse to all those who buy and support such crap.

It will only get worse!

On the bright side, they've done those 5000 a favor, it was a shit game that is riding on the collectivist drone mentality of mind numbingly stupid fanboys. Blizztard have shot themselves in the foot for their other games. I'm waiting to see them (among others ) trip over into a full on face plant!

Leave the scene for better gaming developers to take the lead instead of these shit heads wanting to rule over the industry and set the precedent of total scumbaggery.

zarlin(01:53 AM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
Except to fucking gullible idiots and CEO/shareholding shit heads more eager to see what they can get away with next, and how much money they are raking in for it

well they will earn alot , because those who buy starcraft , and wow eat anything they throw in there faces...anything , seeing how they implant minigames in cata , just wait with that zuckerberg in there house you get to earn points in the minigames to buy things on facebook store , and so on , there was a time when games was games and blizzard was blizzard

Koogle(01:57 AM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
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Csimbi(11:11 AM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
Koogle> "While Koogle may have gotten himself banned and feel sour about it"

lol wtf? I've just stated that is not the case!
Right, but this is what Tom thinks.

Koogle> "When it comes to ruining someone else's game, I totally agree with what you are saying and Blizzard is doing."

You agree that is ok for a company to steal property?
No, stealing property is against the law. What I agree to is that there should be measures against cheating.
BTW. Ever read an EULA? It clearly states that the software product is not your property; you only purchased the right to use it under certain conditions. This is actually part of the problem.

Koogle> A more reasonable and less retarded approach would be just a limited time out ban on those playing multilayer matches while using hacks, or better yet actual anti cheat protection.
I think disconnecting bad clients with a sync error is punishment enough; they won't able to play the game from the moment they try to use a cheat.
But, there could be another, (most likely a smaller) community where cheating is part of the game - so those with the desire to do so could have their fun as well.

gx-x(06:16 PM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
EULAs are retarded. If a minor buys a game in store, how can he agree to anything? He is not legally responsible. Also, you should be able to return the game and get the full refund if you don't accept EULA. Also, if former cannot be the case, then I can pay for the game with bills that have my own EULA attached to them, saying that the money I just gave to the store is my property and I can get it back if store doesn't use to the specifications I gave them. I will pay for the game as a CEO of my own company with money made by my company. ofc, the next thing in question is: is that money really mine or does it belong to the state? If it belongs to the state, and I am just using it as a currency (normally) then money used to create something makes that something not really yours either :D

and here we come to one major problem (totally off topic) which is: Who's is your money? XD

...but this a subject for some different forums ;)

on the topic, if banned players were banned for cheating in single player than this is retarded. I would like to ask blizzard one question about cheating:
- If I got caught cheating, and I tell you that I will buy new game from you and cheat again - will you sell me the game OR support anti-cheating?

Venom1(10:51 PM CEST - Oct,02 2010 )
Why when cheating in an online-only game like World of Warcraft, Blizzard simply suspends your account for 72 hours and if you cheat in offline mode in SC2 you get banned instantly?

It's clear they don't want to loose their monthly $$$ from World of Warcrap and SC2 is a game with no recurring monthly fee.

Glad to be playing SC2 without wasting my euros.
THX war*z guys ^_^

Genoism(12:16 AM CEST - Oct,04 2010 )
so basically koogle got banned.

gx-x(01:15 AM CEST - Oct,04 2010 )
koogle is more fun than blizzard, I'd buy a copy anytime :D

btw. Koogle banned Blizzard, not the other way around.

Koogle(11:51 PM CEST - Oct,04 2010 )
@Genoism You sound determined to believe what you want :( surprised you didn't just end that stupid statement of yours with fully knowing exclamation point, instead of a more aptly suited question mark for someone who sounds like they've just skipped over most the comments and anything I actually said about that?

gx-x> koogle is more fun than blizzard, I'd buy a copy anytime :D

btw. Koogle banned Blizzard, not the other way around.

lolz :lol:

Right on, I just don't support companies that want to behave like that.

Anyway I agree with what's been said above Venom, gx-x, Csimbi.

Personally I think its just unacceptable for such large gaming behemoths with the resources to handle things better (other than find more ways of making money and creating shit I don't want to be supporting just to eventually play a game), they are getting away with such lame solutions, and outright permanent banning to problems they've by and large created for themselves and their existing customers still supporting it. Taking the easy way out of doing pretty much fuck all, and making PR stunts all about how they've taken care of the problem of 'cheaters' by such UNJUST methods.

Its clear to see they are just wanting the majority to agree with these lame tactics knowing full well that won't prevent cheating in competitive/ranked games, at the same time players taking mass community game ranks/achievements like that seriously is just another stupid problem people are getting caught up in. If someone cheated against me in a game that probably only lasted like 30mins and took an advantage in being able win or gain a better rank or whatever. I still wouldn't feel they should loose something they paid real money for, that is just an extreme of total retardation people are supporting while not really thinking about how it is just a false solution. You can't totally stop client side cheating where that player can get a better advantage over another player. To do so just goes into increasingly retarded levels of spying, monitoring and running crap on everyones computer just to play a frigging game.

And in real competition events where prizes are up for grabs, then those events always take place where everyone can see what you see on screen, and do. So those cheating online or in leagues are only letting themselves down because when it comes to showing your skill at the game you'll suck. I think its more of issue being made out by those making games pushing these problems, partly by not implementing by design better methods for the gamers to use, and things like anti-cheat prevention. Instead wanting customers to get pissed off thinking they are playing against everyone else who is cheating. If a company can ban players for using hacks, then they have already proven they aren't that fucking dumb, that they couldn't have also prevented their conformist players from playing against someone using cheats in game in the first place where the server wasn't allowing cheats (because cheats and hacks really aren't the real problem).

So to me its pretty obvious they are just being sly in wanting a PR stunt, and a way that can make them more money (from those who will just go and buy again) and worse get gamers support for their stupid solutions and more future draconian client side garbage.

gx-x(02:23 AM CEST - Oct,05 2010 )
Koogle man, you just have to accept that fact, they are doing what they are doing to make money. We also ain't getting trough our lives to make other peoples live better before we make satisfactory results with our own are we? Companies are are just like that, but without moral obligations, USA state law gives them that right, to be treated as citizens when rights are involved, but to be treated as companies when moral issues are involved. Those laws weren't made by people like us, they were made by people who are backed up by corporations.

as much as we think we can do about it - we cannot, not yet. Majority of people will just agree to any kind of B$ just to make a buck or to play a game. That will go on until that majority changes and no longer accepts served moral concepts and concepts of what is right or wrong dictated by those who want complete controls over markets/behavior etc.

consumers today are not aware that they have the power. They are made to think that they only have the money and they have no choice or say in spending it, but they are made to feel like they do. They make them feel that GT5 will be worth 120$ per copy because 30-50 people spent 4 years in taking specs of the cars etc. Those who buy it and don't have fun with it will still praise it play it because "30-50 people spent 4 years in taking specs of the cars etc.". In reality, 30-50 people that really work on race tracks and know those specs as a part of their jobs will earn less money than the game makers.

why am I saying this? Well, because consumers are made to believe that investing 500$ into a thing that will suck 50$ by 50$ for each new software they insert is ok, normal and that they should support it, support the fact that they will be spending more and more money, and supporting the fact that those who get that stuff for free are "bad guys" for not supporting people that earn 1 million $ per year for designing gay clothes for games or creating that same undead model you saw 10000 times before, but this time he wields a hammer instead of an axe.

anyway, this time they want you to believe that cheating in single player should get you banned, EULA says so, you accepted it. My 8 year old son installs all games for me, he is not legally responsible, hes click on "I accept" means nothing. Therefore if he cheats - he cannot be banned, I am just waiting for this to go to court, and it will. MAybe not for starcraft, but one day it will and will brake EULAs world wide. Here in Serbia, they can suck my d*ck. Consumer right state that all property that is sold belongs to consumer. Audio/Video alike. I cannot distribute it and pirate it, but I can make copies, edit it, cheat in it etc. It would be impossible for me to drag blizzard into court in Serbia if they banned me for cheating, but I could appeal to civil court to pay my expenses for the game, and they would probably (most likely) post a fine to a shop that sold me such a game ;) Shops here don't sell these kinds of games for that reason, they payed too many fines already. Just as you can't buy a dishwasher that limits how you use it, you can't buy a game that limits how you use it. You buy it - it's fucking yours. Thats the only fair law, if you don't agree - you are brainwashed! IDC if you don't agree, you are.

Csimbi(12:49 AM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
That is actually very well said.

EU usually does not take such crap from US (see MS and other cases), it is only a matter of time until they pick it up. The more complaints, the sooner. So, take the time and write that letter your EU representative.

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