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Nvidia responds to AMD's attack on Physx - tech
(hx) 11:29 AM CET - Mar,13 2010 - Post a comment / read (15)
Nadeem Mohammed, Director of Product Management, Physx, at Nvidia answered questions PC Games Hardware asked as a reaction to AMD's recent claim that Nvidia bribes game developers to have Physx implemented into new PC games:
PCGH: AMD claims that no other developer besides Epic wanted PhysX in their games and that Nvidia pays for every implementation. Is that true?

Nadeem Mohammed: AGEIA had worked with Epic to integrate PhysX into their UE3, and other developers even before the acquisition by NVIDIA. Since that time the popularity of PhysX has increased to a point that it is now the most popular Physics Solution with over 240 games already shipped and many in development. Selecting a physics solution for integration with a game is a major decision on the part of the developer, and one of the most important criteria for selection is the functionality and tools provided for game consoles - and a poor decision/selection of physics solution could have a major impact on the developers means to deliver or even complete their project. Sorry that is a long answer to the simple question, but it's important to understand the overall context - we do not pay developers to select PhysX instead of other physics solution. Once PhysX is selected and the developer plans to have a PC version, we will work closely with them to provide whatever engineering and technical assistance to make the PC version as good as it can be - and hopefully that includes pushing the edge on special PhysX effects which may require GPU acceleration for best performance. We will "invest” our time, energy, expertise and technology to make good games into great PC titles - if that's what AMD is talking about then sure they are right!

When we find games that we think PC gamers are really going to enjoy - weather they have PhysX or not we will test the games in a building full of test servers to find any driver issues upfront - to ensure every GeForce user has a great experience, if our board partners want to bundle games we'll try to broker the deals to try to get the best value to our end users. We work really hard to cultivate good relationships with developers with the single purpose of delivering the best possible gaming experience for all PC gamers - a big chunk of whom are NVIDIA GeForce users. What's AMD doing to help PC gamers?
last 10 comments:
Renton(11:58 AM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
So, long answer short, they [u:6e339ccffa]DO[/u:6e339ccffa] pay or otherwise, nobody will use PhysX accelerated physics.[/b]

tride(12:34 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
:D lol, AMD did it again.
They just cant suck it up for being on 2nd place.
AMD better stop weeping and start working on them driver support - which is terrible!
And yes, as the guy from Nvidia says it - Nvidia is working closely with developers to provide the best gaming experience ;)
I never had any problem with Nvidia card ;) - the problems i got were from the developers side, which they fix with paches etc... :twisted:

So now, when Nvidia's DX11 cards are coming, AMD is starting to cry like a little bitch :twisted:

Ozieo(01:20 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
Ah, now we know why people have to pay way too much for that nVidia crap.

Renton(04:17 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
tride> :D lol, AMD did it again.
They just cant suck it up for being on 2nd place.
AMD better stop weeping and start working on them driver support - which is terrible!
And yes, as the guy from Nvidia says it - Nvidia is working closely with developers to provide the best gaming experience ;)
I never had any problem with Nvidia card ;) - the problems i got were from the developers side, which they fix with paches etc... :twisted:

So now, when Nvidia's DX11 cards are coming, AMD is starting to cry like a little bitch :twisted:

Danger! NV Fanboy detected!

tride(06:07 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
And now i am supposed to say "danger, AMD fanboys present" :D
lol, cut the crap - the facts are on the table!

Renton(06:20 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
LOL, man, I have ATI and NV. I always have NV except for the 3Dfx age.

Actually I have both of them for PhysX (HD4850&9800GT) and I lloking forward for the GTX4xx launch to see if I upgrade to 5850 or 470.

So, no fanboy here, but the reality is that PhysX would´t exist if NV doesn't gave money for the devs to use it.

My RIG with the two cards:


tride(07:14 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
Okey man, lets not fight over it.
About the Physx, well - they exist now and before Nvidia acquisition.
What is the reason for developers not to use it ?
I cant see one!!!
And why AMD i crying like a biach ?! Well, obviously they cant offer something bether... :roll: What are they offering ? and why they dont buy developers :lol:
That whole thing sounds insane :lol: Ill go and give money to somebody to use a "shity" technology ;)
No no no... thats just not the case :)
Yes, Nvidia sell expensive gear - but people are buying it!
:roll: Why ? WHy do people buy stuff that is worse than ATI and more expensive ;)

Venom1(08:44 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
tride> WHy do people buy stuff that is worse than ATI and more expensive ;)

Simple because Nvidia drivers work and ATI don't.

psolord(08:48 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
Venom1> tride> WHy do people buy stuff that is worse than ATI and more expensive ;)

Simple because Nvidia drivers work and ATI don't.

QFT!

In fact, they work so fiercely , that some cards get burnt from exhaustion.

No wait, they get burnt because the "awesome" Nvidia team, forgot to keep the fan spinning! LOL! Awesome drivers guys. Awesome indeed!

Venom1(08:51 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
Sorry Pslord, but most people have no problems with such driver release and
you can't blame Nvidia for one mistake.

gx-x(09:58 PM CET - Mar,13 2010 )
can someone tell me how to make CCC work permanently, I unistall everything, re-boot, use driver sweeper, reboot, install drivers again and CCC works...until I restart my computer at which point to use CCC I must repeat the steps mentioned above.

I am serious. Win7 x64, 5850, intel build.

:P

edit: 10.2 WHQL drivers, 9.12 were working fine (except my mouse pointer had an enormous erection from time to time, and my fav driving game NFS shift crawled compared to GTX260 performance that I had prior to buying 5850)

psolord(10:25 AM CET - Mar,14 2010 )
Venom1> Sorry Pslord, but most people have no problems with such driver release and
you can't blame Nvidia for one mistake.

"Most people"? So what do you have to tell the guys that got a burnt card?

Sorry but this is not juse one issue! Do you remember what happened in 2007 with the coming of vista? Do you remember what Microsoft themselves had announced as the primary reason for Vista crashes?

Now consider this. Vista introduced the greatest changes in driver making, than any other OS. ATI made it, Nvidia failed. I should know since I had an Nvidia card back then.

In any case, thankfully, after countless updates both companies can claim stable and solid drivers. It's just that it gets on my nerves when I see people saying ATI drivers=Bad! I've been using Catalyst since the 1900XT and never had a serious problem.

psolord(10:27 AM CET - Mar,14 2010 )
gx-x> can someone tell me how to make CCC work permanently, I unistall everything, re-boot, use driver sweeper, reboot, install drivers again and CCC works...until I restart my computer at which point to use CCC I must repeat the steps mentioned above.

I am serious. Win7 x64, 5850, intel build.

:P

edit: 10.2 WHQL drivers, 9.12 were working fine (except my mouse pointer had an enormous erection from time to time, and my fav driving game NFS shift crawled compared to GTX260 performance that I had prior to buying 5850)

Hey GX-X. Just uninstall your net framework (all of them) unistall drivers and reinstall. You should be fine! ;) It's the net framework that breaks down not the Catalyst! Yes I always wondered why ATI chose the net framework path, but hey it isn't half bad.

tride(12:14 PM CET - Mar,14 2010 )
psolord: cant you at least figure that out ?
You didnt had any problems with drivers, its the same as few people had problems with Nvidia :twisted: You are the one of them all few people that had no problems :twisted:

gx-x(05:25 PM CET - Mar,14 2010 )
psolord> gx-x> can someone tell me how to make CCC work permanently, I unistall everything, re-boot, use driver sweeper, reboot, install drivers again and CCC works...until I restart my computer at which point to use CCC I must repeat the steps mentioned above.

I am serious. Win7 x64, 5850, intel build.

:P

edit: 10.2 WHQL drivers, 9.12 were working fine (except my mouse pointer had an enormous erection from time to time, and my fav driving game NFS shift crawled compared to GTX260 performance that I had prior to buying 5850)

Hey GX-X. Just uninstall your net framework (all of them) unistall drivers and reinstall. You should be fine! ;) It's the net framework that breaks down not the Catalyst! Yes I always wondered why ATI chose the net framework path, but hey it isn't half bad.

I had .net 1.1, but I uninstalled it already, I read about that solution, but thank You anyway. :)

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