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Microsoft leaks details on Xbox Next - console
(hx) 09:38 AM CET - Feb,02 2004 - Post a comment / read (25)
According to MercuryNews.com, Microsoft has quietly circulated the specifications for its next-generation Xbox video-game console, indicating how the company plans to carry on its war against dominant player Sony:
For gamers, the new Xbox will be impressive, giving them the ability to play fast-action, realistic 3-D games on a high-definition TV set. Microsoft's emissaries have told industry developers and publishers that the next Xbox will be ready to launch in fall 2005 with the following specifications:

* Three IBM-designed 64-bit microprocessors. The combined power of these chips means the Xbox Next will have more computing power than most personal computers. The chips are used in Apple Computer's high-end G5 PowerMac machines now.

* A graphics chip designed by ATI Technologies with speeds much faster than its upcoming R400 chip for the personal computer. This chip will help the next Xbox to display games with the resolution of high-definition TV.

* Compatibility with the original Xbox, which is based on Intel and Nvidia chips, isn't guaranteed. Microsoft is concerned it would cost too much money in hardware or in licensing fees to enable the Xbox Next to play old Xbox games. This is risky in part because Sony's strategy has been to maintain compatibility with its old consoles.
last 10 comments:
osamaposted - Feb, 02 2004 - 14:17
an xbox significantly faster than a PC means even crapper console converts to PC. Just wonderful. >:( Alternatively, it might make intel speed things up. :)

El_Coyoteposted - Feb, 02 2004 - 14:59
theres no such thing as a R420

satanposted - Feb, 02 2004 - 17:05
your right, good job the article says R400 isnt it, ATIs new GPU. Think about it, when this comes out in earliest 2005, PCs will have moved on significantly as will gfx cards/cpus and memory speeds. Just look at ATI/NVIDIA and AMD/Intels product line ups for the next couple of years

tomposted - Feb, 02 2004 - 18:42
I got ATI now. I liked the card at the start but the drivers stink in relation to nVidia. ATI might be winning now but I think in longrun they wont be anymore. Their support sucks when you reflect on the mass of drivers nVidia has. So much selection and GL is still a driving force in games and I just find that nVidia was handling GL way better. The community too for ATI sucks at Rage3d. Common exuses are game code sucks or your system sucks or some other lame statement. ATI people on the board too are so F'ing stuck up..

magaposted - Feb, 02 2004 - 21:26
well, try the omega drivers for a change, and dont take the rage3d community as the best one. i, for example, never had any problem with my ati's (besides the one with Mechwarrior 4), and i had 8500LE, 8500, 9700, 9700PRO, 9800PRO, from different builders. it is imperative to have a very stable mainboard/memory to get going well.

Tomposted - Feb, 02 2004 - 22:20
no thanks.. it's official drivers or nothing. Never like hacked drivers and there's no support. Last time I tried omega it messed up my system and my games with strange anomolies on screen. I paid $300 for this card at one time, i'm not using some kids hacked drivers. Also as an update to others, for my original post. There's lots of n00b gamers that don't have a clue and think they are running perfect. For n00b's they think 30fps is good enough.. really too bad. Even turning off features to get decent FPS is good for them. Totally lost the point of why they bought the card.

Tomposted - Feb, 02 2004 - 22:23
ATI sucks.. and ANY real gamer knows that. Reviews might show ATI winning in fps, but they aren't winning. I'm fortunate to have a few machines in my house, I have yet to see my 9700 run a game smoother than the old crap 4200. ATI sucks and I know that now.

Matrixzer0posted - Feb, 03 2004 - 07:07
I honestly believe ATI is great. It has better drivers and they keep getting better. ATI drivers (Catalyst) makes even My 7000 run faster and the fonts support is superb. The image quality is better than Nvidia`s. oh I forgot its the specs of programs and Pc systems that dictate how the programs runs. Because some game no matter how up to date a driver or card is. The game may be more suited toward a different setup or video card because of programming. And Tom as not to be totally biased. Nvidia I believe goes on power but always had the upper hand in features because their in bed with Microsoft. Lets hope this turn to ATI to make the Xbox next GPU is a forging of a new alliance. For even better quality and features (for images) for ATI over Nvidia.

magaposted - Feb, 03 2004 - 10:45
you can't be serious about the 9700 vs. ti4200...because the 9700 demolishes the ti4200 at a rate of 300% ! You're angry at something, but i cat tell what is it about :)

satanposted - Feb, 03 2004 - 10:45
Tom, you are indeed talking complete and utter bollocks. at the moment ati is shitting all over nvidia, i couldnt care who makes the best cards to be quite honest before you acuse me of ati bias, ive had a geforce 2,3 and 4 and then went over to a 9800 pro which has completely pissed all over any nvidia card ive ever had. ive got mates who bought the FX cards and they dont come close to the image quality and performance of the ati card, especially when AA and AF is enabled. as for the drivers, ive never had a problem. at least ati dont have a million drivers coming out at once all with different performances

tomposted - Feb, 03 2004 - 16:47
and this is the same crao on their forums @ rage3d. If you are anti-ATI you are a retard. If you diss their drivers you are a retard or your system is shit. THIS is why I'm done with ATI, they are on a crap site and they hide on the forums with a dumb community that does nothing to improve ATI products. Their cards are crap, don't believe me go buy em. Only ones to support ATI I figured out are n00b's who have no clue, especially to diss nVidia. As for the 4200 vs 9700 well tell me how I am wrong you dunce.. Why would I lie? WTF do I have to accomplish? Fact is is it's true and I'm stuck with this crap card. Like NWN nights, oh shit code in that game. Whatever.. it's not crap code if the same game runs perfectly without a pause on a 4200 that's supposed 300% faster!! Pfff. Total idiots in ATI community..

Tomposted - Feb, 03 2004 - 16:53
and look at this dickhead with AA and AF on.. ya.. turn on AA and AF with 1024x768 is max. Oh and if your game runs like crap, turn down that powerhorse ATI 9800's AA and AF! Ya, thats what we paid $500 for!! Woo!!! nVidia maybe be a little down now, but in regards to support and having drivers that perform..ATI is the loser. What would you do? Go for ATI, 5 drivers or nVidia 50+ drivers!? Go figure..Ask em about fog in CS and how they put down a guy that got frustrated as he waited for driver after driver to come out that would fix it.. Oh ya. guess HL has shit code too.. Those Sprites are too much for ATI! Pfff what a joke..(i tried HL just for hell of it, it's true on 2ghz 1gig ram + 9700 i can't maintain 99fps) LOL! Wooo can you feel the quality and power of ATI...

tomposted - Feb, 03 2004 - 16:56
image quality another piece of crap arguement.. ok, mr photo-recall memory boy.. glad you can distinguish the differences... oh wait, he has a magnifying glass?! Oh look there's a slightly darker pixel.. Try fixing your brightness and contrast dunce.

satanposted - Feb, 03 2004 - 17:42
haha! what a fucking prick you are son, im neither anti ati or nvidia, as i said but your too fucking stupid to read it arent you numbnuts. i just go for the best quality stuff there is at the time, and at the moment its undeniably ati cards. ive not had ONE problem with a driver either Cat or Omega as have tons of other people, do you not think people have problems with Det and forceware drivers? grow up smallballs and get a life ;)

Tomposted - Feb, 03 2004 - 22:31
ya whatever. go back to rage3d bud. 'undeniably' lol.. ya, rage3d, the site that gives you the reviews and tests. FROM THE SAME SITES.. Wow.. how ironic.. post one from an ALTERNATIVE site.. and people trash it.. Oh wait, that's cuz ATI wasn't winning in that review.. You guys are a riot.. im neither ati or nvidia, another lame line.. another thing to note. most happy ATI customers are 12-16years old and just migrated from their nintendo1. Give ya some tests at your store people, test BF1942 on nVidia vs ATI, then test NWN on ATI vs nVidia and just for the hell of it. Oh and remember if you start lagging, blame the coders and then turn down your AA and AF.. lol Don't stress that 9800 Pro..

xxxposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 02:06
I could have saved you the time bud and told you up front that ati sucks. Nvidia rocks. Never believe what you read and never base your choice on opinionated ati inhabited board. Live and learn man!

satanposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 10:57
hahahaha! i rest my case

magaposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 11:21
this was a pointless argument, was it ?

satanposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 13:42
certainly was mate, Tom for some reason has deep hatred towards rage3d and likes to them pass that onto anyone else with an ATI card. never had any problems with any cards ATI/Nvidia myself and dont care what powers my machine, just that at the moment ATI is ahead so 9800 pro it is. unforunately the poor kid cant see that so sticks with something inferior as he is oddly tied to nvidia. oh well, ill leave him to play with the toys in his pram ;)

Tomposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 15:15
to even sit there and say your ati's are better than nvidia, just shows how much of complete moron you are. nvidia has been and always will be the most solid card out there for BOTH GL and D3D. ati isn't, take a look on ANY gaming site it's always same, why are my fps so slow, why is my game stuttering blah blah. ATI is a D3D card at best and 10fps don't make it a better card. enjoy ur hunk of shit, i'm in the process of selling it to another sucker and then it's permanently back to nvidia where I get solid fps, no stutter, no gaming incompatibilty and a WHOLE ARRAY of decent drivers to test and use! to those fags from rage3d. go kiss ati's ass some more, it's you that helps keep ati's product inferior to nvidia. ah whats required to be a beta tester these days eh... hahaha. anyone else reading this, hopefully i saved you from a disaster sale. oh ya and NWN will run great. Yaaaa!

magaposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 15:54
i know now, you have problems with NWN , and the rage3d community is doing squat about it. Well, i've been through that allready, and might i suggest turn off AA and AF and AGP Fast Writes to run it smoothly. there's no need to diss Ati or Nvidia because i have been juggling with ati and nvidia for a long time (even when there was no nvidia ! 3dfx :wink:) and i all i can say is i know progress when i see one, and the latest core by ATI, i'm talking about the R300, with ANY drivers from Catalyst 3.00 is performing quite well and stable. Nvidia had that with GF2, GF3, GF4. So, fuck 'em all, if anybody comes up with a better card than 9800Pro, in the above terms, i will buy it. Till then, this is my weapon of choice: http://www.sapphiretech.com/vga/9800proatl.asp .

satanposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 19:10
ignore that freak, he has serious problems. some wierd fetish with the people at rage3d who if they are that bad, do what i do and dont go on the forum. something tells me he made a gay pass at a moderator and got knocked back. this would explain his bitterness. then to hide from his shame and guilt he locked himself away playing NWN. the reason he is now so angry at the game is nothing to do with graphics cards but because it makes him relive the freakish horror of his disgusting homosexuality. anyway, back to life we go...

Tomposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 19:16
NO I'm not turning off features of my card you dickhead. This is a problem of ATI, not the game. If it were a problem with the GAME, nvidia have same issue. Fuck, figure it out man! I seen the threads on rage3d, its community kissing ati ass and saying bad code in the game and shit and meanwhile you F everyone with the problems and ATI doesn't care. NEVER NEVER NEVER HAD THIS WITH NVIDIA. nvidia always fixes their drivers all the time and they put out many releases and surmise from sights the success. problem with ATI is their testers suck horse nuts and don't play even half the games I or many others do. ATI drivers from when I bought the card made it more stable for games, fine, but I don't have a god damn year to wait for fixes for a game I bought 6 months ago with KNOWN issues. This is ONE game, I have many other games that perform WAY better on nvidia. I have no use and nobody else should have any use for Rage3D, it's a biased site one that will ban you for an opinion and one that will ban you and delete your threads in direct relation to ATI. Sorry, NEVER had that issue in the days of my nvidia cards. ATI sucks. Enjoy your slightly faster than 9700 card maga. Man I hate when people tell me to turn off paid features of my card to make a game run better. And maga, I don't use AA or AF. So now it's just shit code in the game and my system is shit. Don't believe me, go back to your Rage3d Pro ATI, members wrong board. I'm sick of dealing with a community of dickheads and a site that shelters and protects grown men from ATI who can't obviously fend for themeselves or their company. All I have to say..Xbox2 is gonna suck with ATI, poor MS never learn.

Tomposted - Feb, 04 2004 - 19:25
NWN is but 'one' game, I got a list of stuff that has problems. Written ATI support, talked to them on the phone. They are complete morons. Told to go to sites like Rage3D, why? To be told I'm an idiot, my system sucks etc or the game code sucks? No proof just empty statements and not to me, to multitudes of other people?! People get pissed off from it and if they fight back BANNED. Gee thanks ATI! Thanks for your great care! I got banned 'once' from Rage3d because i pressed an ATI person for an answer on 8x agp vs 4x agp and misleading marketing on their box. i got banned. Wingnut! What the ATI guy say? Oh and I quote "Another idiot I have to put on ignore". Wow! There's a knowledgeable guy eh? I saved the post to show people and now I have even more reason cuz Rage3d is filled with these kinds of assinine things. Look at moron satan comments, nothing wrong with the card, no just runs on a 4200 vs 9700 better.. ya no problem with the card, you stupid ass n00b.

satanposted - Feb, 05 2004 - 10:46
yes, thats right. i do sound like a n00b dont i, im not the one who cant get games working ;) irony is such a great thing. hahaha! LOSER!!!

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