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Gameguru Mania News - Feb,25 2013 -

LG demos wireless 4K Ultra HD streaming - tech
(hx) 06:57 PM CET - Feb,25 2013 - Post a comment / read (28)
LG is demonstrating its wireless Ultra HD transmission technology this week at Mobile World Congress. At the company's booth I got a chance to walk through a gaming demo on an Android device that was displaying at 1080p on the phone, upscaling to 4K on the TV. The technology works by connecting over Wi-Fi and using the Miracast peer-to-peer wireless screencast standard, allowing you to simply stream what you're seeing on the phone to a TV. The streaming was fairly smooth, but panning did cause some frame rate drops occasionally.

last 10 comments:

gx-x	(08:24 PM CET - Feb,25 2013 )
whats the point? upscaled 1080p doesn't look any better in 4K...And good luck to LG with streaming actual 4K over wi-fi without compressing it to hell and back. Also, android 4.2 allows streaming to any TV that is wi-fi smart enabled, be it 720p, 1080p, 4K or 8k. Nothing new on LG's stand...

Baconnaise	(08:47 PM CET - Feb,25 2013 )
4k can mean anything. If we see 1080p support we know exactly what that means. 4k? WTF is this shit? It pisses me off that it could mean a wide range of resolutions.

gx-x	(09:45 PM CET - Feb,25 2013 )
Baconnaise> 4k can mean anything. If we see 1080p support we know exactly what that means. 4k? WTF is this shit? It pisses me off that it could mean a wide range of resolutions. it's 2160p. 3840 × 2160 since it's 16:9. Forget others, at least for TV/movies format. There are some monitors and projectors, 4096x2160 but's that probably going to go away...

Sabot

(10:11 PM CET - Feb,25 2013 )

Dead dodo, in the uk.
Highest broadcast res is 720 upscaled to 1080i. (Sky and Virgin tv )
Something like 80+% used an HD TV in SD, in a survey a few years ago.
We've watched blu ray/3D 1080p for about 5years.(15ft distance)
4k tvs are touted at coming in at £6,000. Load of shit and not interested, aimed at idiot households whom watch 40+" sets at distances of 4ft cause their living room are sooo small, like their brains. 4k sets allow you to sit closer... Just buy a smaller tv :roll:

gx-x

(10:27 PM CET - Feb,25 2013 )

Stumpus> Dead dodo, in the uk.
Highest broadcast res is 720 upscaled to 1080i. (Sky and Virgin tv )
Something like 80+% used an HD TV in SD, in a survey a few years ago.
We've watched blu ray/3D 1080p for about 5years.(15ft distance)
4k tvs are touted at coming in at £6,000. Load of shit and not interested, aimed at [censored] households whom watch 40+" sets at distances of 4ft cause their living room are sooo small, like their brains. 4k sets allow you to sit closer... Just buy a smaller tv :roll:

they will come down under 1000$€whatever range in a year. I have actually watched this http://store.sony.com/p/VPL-VW1000ES/en/p/VPLVW1000ES in action on a 4m diagonal spanned image with some promo 4K content. It's amazing, it's really WOW. You could see every detail on the people in the street, even their marriage rings, it's that detailed. OFc, you wont see that on a 40" 4K TV but I wouldn;t mind owning one. It's not for watching TV, I doubt TV broadcast will catch up anytime soon. Especially in small countries like the one I live in (we have ~10 HD channels offered via cable for a lot of money (by our standards) and channels suck, HBO is the best one in that offer...). Cinematography will catch up soon(ish) so will internet downloads :) It's a gimmick at the moment, there is next to none content in 4K. Buddy of mine was seting up that sony 4K projector for presentation and he was like "wtf am I going to play on it?!" There was no mobile gtx680 at the moment and he could only use laptop and even the best dell alienware with sli couldn't play anything 3D (games, demos) in at least 30fps so that was not an option, and video material was hard to find. He ended up playing some weak demo by sony and putting photos from canon 600D if I recall correctly...

Thudo

(12:02 AM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

Yeah ok people lets complain about 4K let alone 8k is how being tested in the UK and Japan so whose NOT for much higher resolutions 2-5x more than ghey-arse 1080p? I am.. bring it... I want my eyes flooded with so many pixels I'll need a new sight evolution opening up a new spectrum.

4K is real AND will be affordable in 2-3 years and will make 1080p look like poo. 8K follows afterwards into > 2018.

gx-x

(01:05 AM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

Thudo> Yeah ok people lets complain about 4K let alone 8k is how being tested in the UK and Japan so whose NOT for much higher resolutions 2-5x more than ghey-arse 1080p? I am.. bring it... I want my eyes flooded with so many pixels I'll need a new sight evolution opening up a new spectrum.

4K is real AND will be affordable in 2-3 years and will make 1080p look like poo. 8K follows afterwards into > 2018.

I think you are underestimating the market. When majority of customers get 1080p TVs, market will stagnate unless there is something new to offer to those people. MAjority of those people are not interested in 3D gimmicks and that's why they already have 4K ready for early adopters. I personally estimate that 4K 40" will be ~1200$ this time next year. And that is affordable in the western countries (western to me, meaning west europe, UK, USA...)

Thudo

(01:26 AM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

So having 2-5x resolution in a movie is a.. gimmick and not serious evolution considering how long for decades we stagnated in this field? I want to get to a point where a TV screen = my vision's limit. Thats coming now much MUCH closer now that after 5+ years were drastically moving ahead in this regard. THANK FRICK'N GAWD!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am actually more concerned how to data xfer 4k streams where HD content can kill one's monthly data quota pretty quick. <shutters> Either some flipp'n serious compression will be required OR get ready to have 1Tb or Unlimited Data quotas.

gx-x	(01:29 AM CET - Feb,26 2013 )
I said 3D is a gimmick, not 4K. 4K is a gimmick NOW because there are no movies in 4K resolution, yet. (ok, maybe there is one or two but I personally don;t know of any) edit: I guess 4K in mkv will be around 16-20gb per movie. Not that big of a deal if you don't live in Canada :D (most of the world has flat rates)

Thudo	(04:48 AM CET - Feb,26 2013 )
Oh 3D is BEYOND A FRICK'N GIMMICK and just over-done due to that vile Avatar: Pocahontas-In-Space.. har har ! 4K is looking forward.. not for now as its prohibitively expensive and perhaps a challenge to deliver content but so that was all likely said about 1080p and large flat screen LCDs back in the 90s. ;)

Sabot

(01:52 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

Trouble is, the highest format we have to watch films on are blu ray 1080P, it's stagnant due to netflix,lovefilm streaming subscribers; physical films are pretty much on the way out, just like music CDs. Every shop still sells DVD releases of NEW films; Skyfall is all over point of sales at £9.99 That's now the equivalent of VHS, in my book. Yet it hasn't gone away. Sooooo much for HD TVs, blu ray players and blu ray discs.
The public dont give a $hit about HD this or that, They want to watch catch-up TV on mobile devices, tablets, phones. SkyGo, Virgin TV anywhere. highest you get is 720P.
3D was the best bet to get these apathetic people to see the potential of HD, they would only see it at the cinema of course, but there is one thing you wont see at the cinema and that's true HD! IMAX or whatever is utter garbage.
When i seen Avatar (filmed especially with panasonic cameras and special showings at the cinema) in 3D, it was AMAZING. Then i seen other 3D films and they weren't soo amazing.
Then i got Avatar with my Panasonic VT20 and (along with a bundle of other films) and it was like when you buy a graphics card with a special edition of a game JUST for it. totally nothing i have owned or watched has equaled Avatar, panasonic exclusive. No wonder it was shipping on ebay for £300+ at the time.
We've had up-scaling for years, 4K will not make an impact in a climate where TV is no longer the preferred choice of viewing or the quality of the transmission.
connoisseurs are the only people to adopt quality, and of course rich people. I'm not saying that 4K will go away, it will -like HD sets- be branded and sold in VERY cheap sets. HD sets are piss quality in general, but that's what is selling. Sony,Panasonic and even LG have all suffered due to the junk buying in the TV market.
Unless you subscribe to Cable or satellite in the UK, then your stuck with an antiquated digital SD service that has 4 HD channels for free.

As someone mentioned in another post re; monitors, they are all stuck at 1080P as the most affordable -affordable being over £300 for 24" 3D support 1080P.
Go over and above that resolution ( 2560x1600) and it's silly time; £1000-£1,600 is common.
SO yes 4K will drop in price for TV sets, but NEVER for gaming monitors, where it really would be used to its full potential.
i repeat, dead dodo.
wooopee dooo......

Thudo

(02:54 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

So you are happy to be stuck @ 2560x1600 forever then due to price?

Well I am REMOTELY NOT.. I want resolution and aspect to keep evolving to the limits of the human eye.. FOR PCs as there will always be a market to push.

Anyway.. prices always come down so whats bad about all this, seriously? We got stuck @ specific resolutions for years and years and FINALLY we're greatly moving forward.

I could not be happier especially with 8K is coming which is pushing to the limits of human vision.

gx-x

(03:01 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

just to make some things clear here:
IMAX is a format, not a device. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMAX
it is a film (celluloid if you like) based format with potentially "unlimited" resolution. Quality will depend on filming device, lens and finally digitization process. There are some stunning IMAX videos out there, crisp, sharp colorful things...a thing of beauty that no digital camera is capable of (for now).
IMAX and IMAX alike formats are our best bet for 4K (and up) content.

Panasonic. They own nothing in terms of display technology, they have no proprietary rights to anything of import. They used to be exclusive for plazma screens, not any longer.

Samsung: VA panels (AMVA, PVA, etc), LED panels (SAMOLED, AMOLED blah blah)

LG (formerly LG-Phillips): IPS panels (S-IPS, eH-IPS, H-IPS, E-IPS blah blah). ALso a major OLED partner and leader in that field.

Sony: Nothing, nada. Used to buy VA panels from Sammy and implement into their LCDTVs and charge them more than Sammy itself. Now they buy IPS panels from LG.

Panasonic: Plazma, back in the day. Now they buy panels from Sammy and LG, still produce some plazma screens, but plazma is crap anyway so who cares.

How can anything look better on Panasonic TV then on any other quality 3D TV is beyond me. Did you even try watching that movie on any other similarly priced TV? New AMVA from Sammy should give much better image, 3D or 2D.

As for majority of the people, 4K, 3D etc, they will not jump aboard with that. They don't care or need that stuff. Watching soap operas and news reports is as good as it gets.
I personally find no immersion in 3D outside of cinema (and only cineplex ones), and it gives justice only to movies that were meant to be 3D, like Avatar. Avatar is good in 3D, Bunch of oversaturated stuff in 2D and movie itself is garbage with weak plot, crap acting and no cinematic value. Typical empty shelled Hollywood movie.
Movies, much like photography, have their (or at least their should) artistic value. Good movies have carefully lit scenes and actors, planned takes to capture you in the moment etc. 3D takes that and shits on it.

edit: sorry if I sound harsh. I don;t mean to offend anyone. To me, 3D is soap opera (in every regard). I don't like soap operas and nothing will change that. I liked 3D effect in cineplex in some movies, but most of those movies, as movies, were pure garbage. I cannot imagine watching a movie like "The Machinist" or "The godfather" in 3D...IT takes EVERYTHING out of the movie and adds nothing.

PS. Why would you use a monitor for PC instead of TV if the only purpose is browsing, movies and games? You can look at 32" for 400$ and less and use a mid entry gpu and sve tons of money. For 2560x1440 you need at least 300$ for gpu to kinda play games...Insane...Those resolutions are currently meant for productivity and graphic work, hence the price.

Csimbi	(04:48 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )
quote: upscaling to 4K on the TV lol It's the same deal as up-scaling DVDs to 1080p: instead of pixels you see blurred rubbish. I guess they'll have to re-release and re-sell all BluRay movies.

Sabot

(05:38 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

quote:
How can anything look better on Panasonic TV then on any other quality 3D TV is beyond me. Did you even try watching that movie on any other similarly priced TV? New AMVA from Sammy should give much better image, 3D or 2D.
It CAME with the Panasonic! It was MADE for panasonic

It's official. Panasonic has teamed up with Twentieth Century Fox to offer the 3D Blu-ray version of Avatar free with Panasonic's Viera 3D TVs when bought with either a 3D Blu-ray player or 3D home cinema system.

The deal follows Panasonic's work with Twentieth Century Fox on the 3D authoring of Avatar on Blu-ray at the Japanese firm's Hollywood Laboratory advanced authoring centre in California.

Laurent Abadie, CEO and chairman of Panasonic Europe, says: "Through our exclusive bundling deal with Twentieth Century Fox to offer Avatar on 3D Blu-ray disc, we are bringing this iconic cinematographic experience to consumers across Europe, to enjoy the beauty and excitement of Pandora in 3D in their own home."

The Avatar offer applies to anyone who purchases a new Full HD 3D Panasonic Viera TV (such as the VT20 and GT20 series) package, which includes two pairs of active-shutter 3D glasses and a Panasonic DMP-BDT300 3D Blu-ray player, or a 3D TV/3D all-in-one home cinema combo.

Where have you been hiding? :lol:

Sabot

(05:40 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

quote:
CES 2009: Panasonic to open 3D Full HD authoring centre in Hollywood
8 Jan 2009

Panasonic has today confirmed its new Hollywood Laboratory Advanced Authoring Centre for 3D high-definition TV will open on February 1st, 2009.

The centre, which will be located within the Panasonic Hollywood Laboratory in Universal City, CA, will accelerate the development of 3D Full HDTV (3D FHD) on Blu-ray disc and work directly with the Hollywood film studios to provide development services for 3D high-definition Blu-ray titles.

The company says the facility will be equipped with a plasma 3D Full HD home cinema system, a 3D-ready digital cinema projector (Theatrical Dolby 3D system) with a 380in screen, and a 3D-ready MPEG4 AVC high-profile encoder.

As we reported yesterday, Panasonic is confident it will bring high-definition 3D TV products to market by 2010.

"Panasonic recognises that for 3D FHD to succeed, just like Blu-ray, collaboration on reserach and development with studios and content providers is absolutely essential," says Eisuke Tsuyuzaki, managing director of Panasonic's Hollywood Laboratory.

"Panasonic is working assiduously with the Hollywood studios and Blu-Ray Disc Association to promote the 3D FHD system. The creation of the new Authoring Centre will enable Hollywood to start trial production and ultimately create commercially available 3D FHD titles."

Sabot

(05:56 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

There's more lol

http://3dvision-blog.com/3820-watch-avatar-in-stereo-3d-with-james-camerons-preferred-settings/

Panasonic has made available a special page, dedicated to providing James Cameron’s Preferred Settings for watching Avatar in 3D on a Panasonic 3D HDTV and these settings take advantage of the “Advanced (isfccc)” mode that the television sets have. This initiative is due to the fact that the company is bundling their line of Viera 3D-capable Plasma HDTVs along with a Blu-ray 3D version of the movie Avatar, an exclusive deal that probably will delay further the availability of the movie as a standalone product. And I’m curious if these settings are recommended just for watching Avatar, or they will be good for watching movies in general… I will have to try them and compare to the default THX settings for example when I start testing my new Panasonic VT20E HDTV, although I do not have Avatar on Blu-ray 3D yet ;)

gx-x

(06:26 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

I ask again: Have you tried watching Avatar 3D on samsung's new or newer VA panels? If you only watched it on panasonic TV, how do you know that all that isn't just a marketing gimmick and doesn't really offer anything special that other brands do not offer under different name?

After all, Blue-ray is Sony's child.

I mean, let's face it, Cameron is full of shit 24/7...(his preferred setting? Dude has his own home theater and I am pretty sure he doesn't watch TV in the kitchen lol and how many times did he watch Avatar? How do you set DLP's to project Avatar in setting other than it's setup to project? Like I said, Cameron is full of shit) And as for plasma, burnins, heat, flickering, buzzing...no thanks...I am yet to see one that doesn't suffer from one or all of those. I have been shown some panasonics that people swore to me that they don't suffer from any of those, and they did...Burn-in is inevitable after all.

Baconnaise	(06:29 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )
gx-x> Panasonic: Plazma, back in the day. Now they buy panels from Sammy and LG, still produce some plazma screens, but plazma is crap anyway so who cares. I still have A plasma and it's A Panasonic. Fuck You

gx-x	(06:36 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )
Baconnaise> gx-x> Panasonic: Plazma, back in the day. Now they buy panels from Sammy and LG, still produce some plazma screens, but plazma is crap anyway so who cares. I still have A plasma and it's A Panasonic. Fuck You it's still crap :D

Sabot

(07:22 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

gx-x> I ask again: Have you tried watching Avatar 3D on samsung's new or newer VA panels? If you only watched it on panasonic TV, how do you know that all that isn't just a marketing gimmick and doesn't really offer anything special that other brands do not offer under different name?

After all, Blue-ray is Sony's child.

I mean, let's face it, Cameron is full of shit 24/7...(his preferred setting? Dude has his own home theater and I am pretty sure he doesn't watch TV in the kitchen lol and how many times did he watch Avatar? How do you set DLP's to project Avatar in setting other than it's setup to project? Like I said, Cameron is full of shit) And as for plasma, burnins, heat, flickering, buzzing...no thanks...I am yet to see one that doesn't suffer from one or all of those. I have been shown some panasonics that people swore to me that they don't suffer from any of those, and they did...Burn-in is inevitable after all.

Holly fuck, here's you dictating to ME and I'm the one owning Avatar MADE for my bloody Panasonic set. Your unreal......
I don't give a toss about your opinion about Cameron, I stated it was made for Panasonic at their studios and it still never sunk in! Why would I want to view a bloody blu ray made for my tv on another bloody set!!
You HAVEN'T seen it, yet you dictate as if......
No the new versions of plasmas do not do burn in, nether do they consume the power of the older versions and are THINNER than most LCDs
Jesus do your homework and at least own a new version of a Panasonic before spouting rubbish, with zero bases. Yeah you own my model
Of Panasonic...no wait, you seen them all. And know, cause you know.
Fuck are you talking about, heat buzzing, flickering??? You are totally stupid now, 600hz flicker free, LCD flickers!
Give it a fucking break, man.
I have a Sony Bravia 46" above my 46" Panasonic vt20. I think I can judge better. I also have passive and active 3d sets.
:roll:

Csimbi	(07:32 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )
Well, when I walk into Costco, those wall-size plasmas do look good. Would I invest if I had the money? Probably not. It's hard to take "the new plasmas do not suffer from these" at face value - I never really researched it.

gx-x

(07:47 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

Stumpus> gx-x> I ask again: Have you tried watching Avatar 3D on samsung's new or newer VA panels? If you only watched it on panasonic TV, how do you know that all that isn't just a marketing gimmick and doesn't really offer anything special that other brands do not offer under different name?

After all, Blue-ray is Sony's child.

I mean, let's face it, Cameron is full of shit 24/7...(his preferred setting? Dude has his own home theater and I am pretty sure he doesn't watch TV in the kitchen lol and how many times did he watch Avatar? How do you set DLP's to project Avatar in setting other than it's setup to project? Like I said, Cameron is full of shit) And as for plasma, burnins, heat, flickering, buzzing...no thanks...I am yet to see one that doesn't suffer from one or all of those. I have been shown some panasonics that people swore to me that they don't suffer from any of those, and they did...Burn-in is inevitable after all.

Holly fuck, here's you dictating to ME and I'm the one owning Avatar MADE for my bloody Panasonic set. Your unreal......
I don't give a toss about your opinion about Cameron, I stated it was made for Panasonic at their studios and it still never sunk in! Why would I want to view a bloody blu ray made for my tv on another bloody set!!
You HAVEN'T seen it, yet you dictate as if......
No the new versions of plasmas do not do burn in, nether do they consume the power of the older versions and are THINNER than most LCDs
Jesus do your homework and at least own a new version of a Panasonic before spouting rubbish, with zero bases. Yeah you own my model
Of Panasonic...no wait, you seen them all. And know, cause you know.
Fuck are you talking about, heat buzzing, flickering??? You are totally stupid now, 600hz flicker free, LCD flickers!
Give it a fucking break, man.
I have a Sony Bravia 46" above my 46" Panasonic vt20. I think I can judge better. I also have passive and active 3d sets.
:roll:

look, you are talking about Avatar made for your TV as if it looks forse on other 3D TVs, not me. And I have seen plenty of plasmas, ipses and VA TVs. More then you would even assume I did. As for new plasmas, they burn in and are not flicker free. This can be confirmed to you by every person that actually works in service shop and takes them for service or RMA, like two of my friends actually do. So believe what you want, I have my info first hand from guys that have dealt with thousands of TVs and you have 2...(yes yes, I know this sounds cheeky and childish, but it's the truth and there is no other way of saying it :S )
And they certainly are not thinner than modern LED LCDTVs (talking about research...this is at least easy to check isn;t it?!), the best one (from samsung) is as thin at best. :P

and their plasma:

http://www.samsung.com/us/video/tvs/PN51E8000GFXZA-gallery

They have power consumption improved but they are still way more power hungry then LCDTV equivalents.

Also, how come there are ZERO professional grade equipment made using plasma screens? No video monitors, no desktop monitors, nothing. Why? I'll tell you why - they are inferior in reproduction.

PS. Please don't give me that bullshit about having to own a panasonic TV to have a right to write about one. That's just stupid. If I wanted to buy a 3D TV it certainly wouldn't be a panasonic, let alone a plasma TV. Everyone can enter a store a test a TV, I don't have to buy one, but that's not the point.

PPS. We have totally different opinions on this whole TV and 3D thing, and also about Avatar the movie so I don;t see the point of discussing this further. Buy what you think is the best thing for you. Seeing how you Have Sony Bravia AND Panasonic plasma I think it's best if we just agree to disagree.

cheers buddy o/

Sabot

(09:21 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

You do realise that something like 1 in 10 people can't see 3d and suffer from refresh flicker, regardless of LCD or plasma and/or price? I can see refresh flicker on 200hz LCDs and with 3d on 200hz LCD sets. Personally went into Sony, LG and Panasonic centres to view sets. The Sony was £3000 and 55" yet it was terrible for me the flicker. My wife couldn't see it. The only sets that displayed pure motion with zero cross-talk or ghosting was the Panasonic. The most natural colours were Panasonic, which after all plasma is the nearest to CRT. THX certification is on plasma. LCD are just fake and too bright and unnatural. Some people love it, I don't. LCD is good for bright lit environments and sunny days.
Obviously I don't see 'flicker' on my panny, so it's just unfortunate for people and I prefer to make my own judgement on products and never go with the masses opinion.
One thing that is shit on newer tvs is sound. My Bravia is 6years old and produces incredible surround sound as it has a fuller speaker bar.
The panny is output through a £1,000 7.1 true HD system as its sound is shit.

Btw, my panny is now just going on 3years old and I have gamed on it PC on it and watch 3d or blu ray films every weekend.
I don't really care about consumption or heat-not that it's particularly hot, it isn't. My psu on my pc is 650w and being a gamer yourself, you don't go, I ain't buying a gpu cause it hits 108c. It's about performance and reliability. I have a free 5 year warranty on my panny, that's all that matters.

gx-x

(09:48 PM CET - Feb,26 2013 )

I wasn't clear on the flicker thing (though you are right about refresh flicker), it isn't refresh flicker, it's backlight flicker or something, it's very very fast and you can't see it usually but once you see it you cannot un-see it. It's something like CRT flicker on 120Hz, some people don't see it all, some people see it all the time once they see it once. I saw it recently on samsungs 7500 series plasma in store. My friend was arguing with me that flicker is present even on that one, I was in disbelief but then I saw it when I payed attention. Again, it is impossible (or improbable? ) that is refresh rate flicker, he is one of those friends that works in IT service shop, he told me it is something related to backlight not always being in sync with plasma firing or something like that...We were looking at regular 2D, not 3D projection. But, once you start looking at the content on the screen you don't notice the flicker anymore.

I have never seen such a thing on LCD panels. I guess they simply don't have to sync backlight freq. with actual LCD. Especially with LED backlit panels. (sammy 8000 series LED is just mindblowing)

PS. You don't really draw 650 watts out of PSU. This is another story and unrelated to TVs. TV is always drawing near it's max spec (when it is working ofc), PSU is rated at watts and temperature. For instance, my 750W PSU is rated at 750W at 85% efficiency BUT as long as temps are <55 Celsius. It is also designed in such a way that it can actually maintain <55C at that output. The thing here is that if you draw only 400W from it, it will be both efficient and cool at the same time so you won't get near 55C. I measured my system (with an APC that shows power draw on it's display) consumption while playing Crysis 2 with dx11 and high res texture pack and it was roughly 390 Watts. If I needed actual 750 watts I would go for 1000W PSU to maintain low temps and efficiency. IMO, you can't make an overkill with PSU.
Also, no, I am not conserned with power consumption of graphic cards. But that is mainly because we are talking about 10-20% difference between models, and we are talking about (usually) under 200 watts (TITAN draws 250W...). There is not much to talk about. If card overheats it get's RMA-ed. And I can RMA stuff all day long, in the end I usually get better stuff :P

On the other hand, you don't have control over that (power) when you buy a TV. And in all seriousness, I saw an 80" plasma that draws 1000 watts. Granted, it is a model from a few years back but 1000 watts? I wouldn't buy ANY GPU that uses that much power. Sure, 3 years ago IPS panels or VA panels didn't have deep black as they have today and that plasma had it, but 1000 watts? Electricity is not free dammit. I can run 2 split systems A/Cs with those watts, and one is needed to cool that beast anyway. o.O

I am not ignorant though. I know new plasmas draw much less and are in ~150W range at that's fine. No complaint's there. But a true 1080P plasma that draws ~150W, is thin and is 40+ " is god damn expensive compared to LCDTV of the same size, and LCDTVs have gone very far in 3 years too!

I mentioned earlier that friend and I were looking at sammy's 7500 series plasma. There was 7500 series and 8000 series LCDTV (AMVA panel) next to it, difference is very slight. Blacks are very near and in some typical movie scene, where not everything is black you won't know the difference.

Also,avoiding burn-in has been greatly improved but it is still there, it is a possibility. Scary one. My friend has burned in windows taskbar in his plasma bcs he uses it as a primary display for htpc that he also uses all the time for browsing from the couch...and it isn't even 2 years old yet.

I cannot comment on sound or speakers on TVs. I don't use them, nor does anyone I know. (except for basic TV channels). I have a big JBL systems that costs more than 55" 3D TV and I never compromise on sound. Even on my PC I have a small JBL set. I was raised that way I guess...Sound bars or 25W TV speakers just don't cut it for me.

Baconnaise

(06:50 AM CET - Feb,27 2013 )

gx-x> Baconnaise> gx-x> Panasonic: Plazma, back in the day. Now they buy panels from Sammy and LG, still produce some plazma screens, but plazma is crap anyway so who cares.

I still have A plasma and it's A Panasonic.

Fuck You

it's still crap :D

On a serious note I wish the one I had was lately. I've been eyeballing a new TV but this panny won't fucking die nor cease to impress. The speakers alone blow anything you can get now out of the water. I think it even has a sub in there or some shit it's scary good. Supports cablecard has built in guide sd card and more on in todays term old ass set. I was looking to pickup a new 55" Sammy most likely due to dlna streaming reviews atm not to mention the deals (four pairs of 3d goggles on a top o da line set in 2012 for close to a grand is good imo).

Anyhoo you guys have fun :)

Sabot

(12:40 PM CET - Feb,27 2013 )

@gx-x, I understand now what you are talking about I researched this 'flicker' many years back, its what some folks call a 'rainbow effect' when glancing the tv in a sweeping motion with your eyes. Again it's something that you actively see and therefore can't forgive when you have. Bit like tearing in PC gaming.
Though it bothers some people but not others?
Like I said about LCD being unnatural in colour and temp. I have Bravia engine 1 and 2, pissed about with every setting going but found nothing that I can honestly say, made me a happy viewer.
The biggy for me, apart from natural rich blacks and colours, nothing beats plasma for deep blacks-not grey or washed out panels ;-) was the intelligent motion creation engine. Boy that in fps and racing was just like real life driving etc. no blurring, razor sharp detail and films were made to look as if they were always filmed live.
Clever effect indeed.
quote:
600Hz Sub-field Drive with Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
To ensure smooth and judder-free pictures, VIERA NeoPDP employs innovative 600Hz Sub-field Drive with Intelligent Frame Creation Pro. This is a Panasonic's unique image-analysis processor that converts the motion in each scene into sub-fields. The sub-fields are then optimised to display fast action scene in Full HD (1920 x 1080) resolution with amazingly smooth motion. Each frame is displayed for a shorter length of time than in previous processor - virtually eliminating unsightly smearing & after effects.
Anyway, we all have our likes and dislikes, which is why there is hundreds of TVs to fit our tastes, and I wouldn't have it any other way 8)
Cheers.

Oh, and our Panasonic comes with free view HD tv tuner and built in satellite HD tuner(which we are using) SD card slot, ability to record onto normal pc hdd via USB and wireless network as standard.

gx-x

(01:45 PM CET - Feb,27 2013 )

well, everything can be calibrated, except maybe that Bravia of yours :D I fiddled with samsung and LG LCDTVs and since I have a colorimeter that I use on my monitors (for professional work with photos/prints) I have some good reference points for tests and I can jack the colorimeter onto TV and to calibrate it, but that will only work if they are connected to PC bcs they cannot support color profile on their own (well, 99% of them can't).
I can also "fix" image reproduction by eye if I put some images that I know how they are supposed to look on calibrated screen.
Anyway, correct colors don't mean better experience for viewing movies. For movies I find that more saturation is welcome. That is a matter of taste ofc.

as for blacks, I said earlier, panels from 3 years ago had black @ 0.35/0.4 (0 being pitch black) versus plasma screens 0.15/0.12. Now ips panels can have 0.2/0.25 blacks and even lower with grid backlit panels (like LG does in their new TVs). Those are LED strips that are no longer only on top and bottom, now there are 10~20 strips across the whole panel, from top to bottom and they dynamically change how much light to put out, if at all. So for instance if upper part of an image is sky and lower part is some...shade from a building, lower led strips will output less light, will retain contrast but will give even deeper blacks so contrast actually gets higher.
It's hard to describe but trust me, it works and black are...black :) Still not plasma black but very close.
Still can't beat 600Hz engine but 120Hz LCDTV is super smooth. There are 200Hz ones if 120Hz ones are not enough (they certainly are for me).
So yea, there is a lot of choice atm, but those plasmas and LCDs that are very good cost way too much money IMO, and in 500$ range I am yet to see a good plasma TV. They don't come even close to your Pannasonic, and I am sure even you would hear them buzz and see them flicker :P

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