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Kinect creator: Hardly anyone plays FPS on the PC - interview
(hx) 10:03 AM CEST - Sep,21 2010 - Post a comment / read (38)
In an interview published by GameInformer (thanks EvilAvatar), titled Talking Kinect With Kudo, Microsoft's Kinect creator Kudo Tsunoda makes the off the wall statement that 'hardly anyone plays first person shooters on the PC anymore.'
GI: Looking at first-party games and 360 exclusives in the future, are we going to start to see Kinect integrated in small or nuanced ways? Or is it a "go big or go home" approach to gameplay?

Tsunoda: I think that the stuff we have learned about Kinect is that you don't want to take it and port a experience over to Kinect or force it into things. You see a lot of motion control games that put the motion technology into a random game and that isn't the way to make an awesome experience. If you think about the way that first person shooters evolved, they started on the PC. People for the longest time tried to port shooters from the PC onto the console. And people said the same things that they are saying now about Kinect - "It's never going to be responsive enough to do this," or "You're never going to get a fun first person shooter on the console - it's only made for a keyboard and mouse and that is the way it is supposed to be played." And as long as everyone was just porting the existing shooters over to console, they weren't as fun as the PC ones. Of course, they were built for the PC.

Halo did an awesome job of building a first-person shooter exclusively for the console, and now hardly anyone plays first person shooters on the PC anymore. It's all about the console. And I feel it is the same with Kinect stuff. If you are constantly trying to take something that is made for a controller and port it over to Kinect, it's not going to be a good experience because it is made for a controller. If you take the time to build it for Kinect from the ground up, however, you can make something that is a very new experience, but lots of times even more fun than it was before.
last 10 comments:
psolord(12:22 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
HAHAHAHA!

What a retard!

Hardly surprising though, since he is obviously have to do with console retard kids, that will believe everything they are told.

Laginect FTW!

spectra9(12:48 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Say what??? Of all type of games in the world, FPS is the ONLY one which will always be better played on the PC (with keyboard and mouse). I'm just amazed why couldn't they just make a keyboard and mouse for the console, instead of forcing this bizarre thing. Sure it's better for some games probably, but why not just use a tried and true input method like the keyboard and mouse which has been around for decades now :banghead:

kittomer(01:54 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Really? Like, really? I'd rather have my fingers broken before I seriously play a FPS on a console.

Also, there is no official mouse and keyboard support on consoles because

a) They make a fuckton of money from just selling all the controllers and other useless "accessoirs".

and

b) Can you imagine the whining that would ensue when people who play with controllers against people who play with mouse and keyboard realize that, yes, it indeed works better?

darknothing(03:36 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
really, im sorry but thats where most people play FPS bud. ON PC why? SUPERIOR controls.
We dont need aim assist like those that play on consoles.
We dont need big ass hit boxes like consoles.

Your non controller addon for 360 WILL fail to core gamers why?
THERE IS NO CONTROLLER... asshole.

all i can say is sonys anti Kinect commercials say it all.

Tom(03:40 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Only retards are the ones above me who are so clued out and live in some fantasy world that they just cannot comprehend the fact of "numbers". For ANY shooter on the PC, there are literally 10x more people playing the same game on console. You may think the controls are gay on console, but that's just an excuse made by lame person who has absolutely no sense of challenge. It's not so bad playing fps on a console and I played FPS since day 1 on a PC. I wont tell you it isn't better playing with a mouse an keyboard because you know as well as me that is a fact. But that is not the end all say all of FPS. Like I said before, PC is a dead platform and anything that is on PC is more played on console and that includes FPS games. I cannot think of one game on PC other that GayCraft that anybody plays more than on a console. I think you people need to seriously get a wake up call and realize the true facts of PC gaming. Just cuz some retard from iD or Chris the wonderboy of Supreme Commander comes out and says PC gaming ain't dead, means jack shit. They are trying to push their games on a platform by appealing to your stupidity and telling you the opposite of what's true. I feel sorry for the lot of you who just don't get it.

psychoo(04:23 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
LOL :DDD
they say PC gaming is dead since... 2000? :D
pretty long death agony I say, and far from its end. but who thinks a bit, can see that it is nothing more than a marketing hype for the console, and those low IQ guys who buy console, like that kind of marketing. It's a moral support for them, not to cry all day and night over their console.
but PC will die only when a better PC is built :)
but ofc, as long as there are more dumb then smart ppl, console will have a huge market :)

psolord(04:29 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Hey mooTom, 10X more players you say? Have you checked http://bfbcs.com/ lately? No? Thought so! As always your points are moot, mooTom.

Also please note the difference in server numbers you get when you are a PS3 owner. I see the game console online gaming is full of options! Nice! lol

But yes I know, PC gamers cheat (when they kick your ass because you are a retard gamer) but Console gamers do not, because you have more chances finding a 12yo for your opponent and kicking his ass. double lol

Csimbi(04:55 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Well, Kinect was a major failure, so we all know that this guy does not have a right mind in place.
Oh, well, we've seen this before, so let's move on.

gx-x(05:37 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Sorry Tom, I just had to do this :D



o/

HeavyStorm(05:43 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
It seems I'm late again to comment, but, first the guy is both wrong and right. There are more people playing FPS on consoles than on PC. But, since this became a flaming war before I could even read the news:


@spectra9: Probably strategy games are way harder to port to console than FPS, but I get your point. Controls in both games are superior when using a Keyboard + Mouse.
@Tom: PC Gaming is hardly dead, but is, as have always been, losing the (supposed) fight with consoles. For very simple reasons: consoles are cheaper, last longer and doesn't require a degree to install and configure stuff. They are also less prone to viruses (never heard of a virus in a console).
@psolord: Yeah, as soon as I read the news, I checked the site. Right now, the numbers of players at bfbcs of each console are similar to the PC, which means that almost twice as much people are playing BFBC2 in a console than in a PC.


We, PC Gamers, are like Mac owners. We love our machines, and we'd always hoped it be considered the ultimate medium for games. But it isn't. PCs are expensive, they need more time configuring and its owners have to be more skillful, they can have more problems, etc. They are not a "out-of-box" solution for gaming, when compared to a PS3 or Xbox. The only good news is that gaming console architectures are getting closer to that of the PC (XNA, for example), so in the future, it might be easier to port games from Console to PCs.

gx-x(06:13 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
it is not weather pc gaming is dead or not or if more fps games are played on consoles. It's about lazy developers, greedy publishers and gaming being pushed to level of retardation level.
Sony DID made keyboard addon for PS3, also it announced KB+mouse support even before it launched ps3. But guess what? Lazy developers never showed interest in codding for those things to work, and in the end sony even revoked linux OS support from PS3.

As for FPS games on PC, there are NONE at this time. Of fucking course no one is playing them because there is nothing to play. TPS console ports infected PC and now you get a FPS that is worth playing every year or so at best. (I am not counting those MOH/BF/COD clones that they call sequels which are money sucking products like EA sports department's products).

last decent FPS for PC was...I can't remember actually...Portal maybe, some will say that fallout 3 clone, what's it's name? Borderlands?

as for PC being complicated, ofc it is, but that has it's benefits. Consoles are cheap? What do they offer for invested $ compared to PC? Sure, they are good for games and that's it. Nothing else that they can do can be compared to PC. I'd say that they are actually expensive since they offer you nothing more than ability to put CDs in them, and every CD costs you 50+$. Cheap right? Fuck that...I can build 500$ PC wich has DVB card, TV, cable, satelite, plays games, music movies in any format, records, transmits data, serves as storage, connects my phone, my laptop my tablet my mp3 player, can play radio, internet radio, can open pdf books, can serve as a tool for many things and make me money. Need I go on? you can have all that for 500$, hell, you can buy used parts and make it for less than 300$.
Is your PS3 still cheap? It's as cheap as 300$ condom...

Tom(07:04 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
LOL! A lot of people sure piss their day at work or on pogey eh?! LOL! I am not going to play the flame game, I got more important things to do today than educate a bunch or morons. Sorry but fps in general are played more on console than on FPS. Just throwing up a stat on BC2 means jack shit it's also not reflective of truly how many people are playing. A lot of people play unranked as well. I have about 3 or 4 fps on console and they are all played way more than on PC. Some don't even exist on PC because developers couldn't give a shit about a always pirated system that brings ZERO profit.

At least there are some people in this thread that have a partial clue. I don't really have the time to repeat myself constantly here because of a bunch of retards who can't remember what was said already a week ago. Some of my repeated points here are, console cost compared to PC, cheats on PC vs no cheats on console etc.

Enough though of the PC for $300 or $500, either list the entire gaming specs or stfu. You cannot build a decent overall system for $300 and play games on a PC like BC2, MW2, COD, Dragons Age.. I've already dispelled some idiots bs about $500 pc the other week. Read back. Another moron listed bs prices and another one who couldn't count couldn't see his pc was more like $1000 as opposed to $800. Like I said, if you can't list specs for a decent gaming machine for $300 or $500 stfu. Don't say you can, PROVE IT. Give me prices with sources or stfu. PROVE ME WRONG and don't give me lip because it just proves you are full of shit.

Renton(07:18 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Very late but I can say that actually FPS is the only genre of game that I always going to play in the PC. I suffer a lot with Halo 3, The Darkness and Killzone 2 with the console control scheme. Not because its difficult, actually is easier. Enormous hit boxes and autoaim makes very stupid to play, but the "sensation" of turn your head in a fraction of a second or look around watching your surroundings that the mouse can do is just impossible to emulate with an analog stick.

I dont care if I the last person playing FPS on PC or any other game on the PC (I only play exclusive titles on consoles). For me is just a better platform, no mather what the market says. I like it more, is harder in any way, yes. Expensive? Well, thats relative. I could give you a lot of excuses why I think is cheaper.

I mean... just stop doing something you like because the market says is dying (even if not) is just stupid. I dont like consoles, but I like games. I think they are by far the worst platform. Because of the online system, the discs, the control, the endless waves of pre-pubscent retards, the very poor image quality, etc. But I happen to like games. I like Alan Wake. I'm sure that if the game was in PC I would enjoy it more, but happens to be an exclusivity of the CrapBox. One of the first titles I bought for 360 (and old RROD-past-away one) was Dead Rising. I very glad the second part is going to be on the PC and as soon as hits Steam I going to put my money on it.

psychoo(07:57 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
well, all that developers have to do is make CoD6 a cross platform multiplayer fps, so PC players can play against console players and watch their tears flow on youtube videos, like "leave britney alone!!" converted to "leave xbox players alone!!" :D

Tom(08:16 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
psychoo> well, all that developers have to do is make CoD6 a cross platform multiplayer fps, so PC players can play against console players and watch their tears flow on youtube videos, like "leave britney alone!!" converted to "leave xbox players alone!!" :D

Seriously what has that got to do with anything man? I doubt you will ever see a cross-platform FPS ever. I know I wouldn't buy one. It makes no fucking sense at all. No fucking duh a guy with a mouse can aim faster and more precisely. That goes without saying period. That says nothing about how console is leaving PC FPS gamers in the dust. Console is easily the platform where more people play FPS these days and anyone with a console and a PC knows that period. To argue it shows how much of an idiot you are.

I'm not a PC basher, I have a great gaming PC, not some fabled $300 or $500 POS a real gaming PC capable of playing games as intended at resolutions above and beyond 1900x1200 without compromise. Why the fuck would I buy a PC where the graphics would be worse than a fucking console? And to that effect, I'm also a realist and I'm aware of the stats and console has left PC in the dust and anyone who says otherwise is a bloody moron in denial or just trying to push his goods by feeding the misguided even more.

For anyone too that wants to say you can build a PC for $300 or $500 please include all your prices and links for:

LCD (because 9/10 people don't use their TV)
CPU
Motherboard w/wo NIC
Power supply
Case
RAM and quantity
DVD ROM
Video Card
Hard drive
Keyboard
Mouse
Speakers

Oh and include tax and shipping costs too eh..yeah.. because that would be required. I await your great gaming rig configurations for $300/$500

A PS3 or an Xbox can be obtained for less than $400 and it works with any old TV you already watch cable TV on. So please fill out the above and show everyone how you can buy a $300 or $500 gaming PC. If you can't and just want to shoot your mouth off that you can, stfu and quit wasting peoples time with your fantasies of how you can build a PC for less than a console. Sick and tired of you dickweeds that act like you know something and shoot your mouth off and prove ZERO.

tiamat(10:02 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Tom> psychoo> well, all that developers have to do is make CoD6 a cross platform multiplayer fps, so PC players can play against console players and watch their tears flow on youtube videos, like "leave britney alone!!" converted to "leave xbox players alone!!" :D

Seriously what has that got to do with anything man? I doubt you will ever see a cross-platform FPS ever.

Had to sign up to answer this one.

You are forgetting Quake 3 Arena. It came out on the PC, then on the Dreamcast. Then it was announced that they would merge the servers so that console and PC players could compete. The old "mouse/kb is faster" argument came up right away and DC players harped on about how it was all rubbish and they would own the PC players. I think it lasted a week before the DC crowd were complaining and wanted the servers split again because the top ranks were all PC players (you could tell because the PC version allowed for longer char names). I was nowhere near the top ranks and very few DC players gave me much trouble.

Yes it is true that the PC is more expensive but the fact remain that the reason is because we have the latest hardware. Consoles are out of date the second they ship to stores (a PC is out of date by the time you switch it on) but at least we can add newer hardware later without buying a whole new console. The xbox has a DX9 gfx chip (2002 called and wants it's hardware back) and you can build an xbox-level PC for your $500 easy as the hardware is crap, a PS3 level machine will cost more though i will give you that.

I would agree that more FPS games are played on consoles these days and that is for 1 simple reason. PC players got bored of these watered-down COD/MOH clones 10 years ago. Now add that the console is a much more "stable" platform to develop for. Every xbox/ps3 has the same hardware so you don't have the problem where developers have to try and make it run on multitudes of hardware configurations. This just makes sense to "lazy" developers as half the headache of developing for the PC comes from the varitey of hardware. Piracy is harder and so more sales are generated. This led to developers leaning towards consoles as their development platform and then porting (badly) to the PC. This further turned PC players off those games as the ports suck so horribly. In most cases they don't even translate the button configs and the number of times i'm told in a game "press A to do blah" which completely ruins the games.

There is almost no innovation in the FPS world anymore, certainly not on consoles, and the games are all practically identical. There was a joke/news piece posted here recently about E3 where they compared 2 new FPS games and the screenshots looked identical, same level design, same weapons and everything. The real truth is that game budgets have got to the point where only the really big studios can compete and non of them want to take risks, the next few FPS games will all be the latest incarnation of COD/MOH in the same way that sports games just tweak the same game and put the current year on the end of the title.

Being an older gamer i remember when adventure games, puzzle games, flight sims and RTS games were all big titles in addition to FPS games, RPGs and racers. That era pretty much ended with the PS1 when consoles became popular and the general public started getting consoles rather than just geeks and kids. The console generation seem to have no interest in games that make you think, it's all about big explosions and driving fast and games that don't conform to that are almost never in the AAA title bracket on consoles.

So, to put it bluntly yes i would agree that more FPS games are played on consoles. The games are mostly watered-down, repetative re-hashes of the same games i was playing 10 years ago (with prettier graphics) and so seasoned gamers like myself have no interest in them as we have done them to death. I have access to both xbox and PS3 and i play neither nor would i buy one when i could spend the cash on a new rig or components. The console online games are filled with angry, foul mouthed 12 year olds and i don't find that to be a fun experience. You can keep your consoles thanks.

And as for PC gaming being dead, well we have been hearing that for years and guess what... we are still here and still gaming.

And guess which platform new, fresh indie games come out on first? The one that you don't need an expensive Microsoft/Sony licence and dev kit to develop on. Only AFTER that do they make their way to the consoles and get largely ignored by what almost all older gamers consider to be the ADD crowd (omg, nothing blew up or died in a whole minute, this is boring!).

EDIT: And i can't list an xbox-level rig as i refuse to dumpster-dive for DX9 hardware, i'm not a hobo. Also you almost never buy a full rig it's almost always upgrades and the price is harder to spec.

This was the very first rig i checked in the budget section of my local, i didn't even shop around:

- Case: Hades Case
- Power Supply: 450W
- CPU: Intel Core i3 530 2.93GHz (Clarkdale)
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2 Intel H55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 microATX Motherboard
- Cooler: Intel Approved Cooler
- RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
- Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache
- Graphics Card: Geforce 260GTX Super Overclocked edition 1024MB
- Sound: High Definition 7.1 Onboard Sound Card
- Optical Drive: LG GH22NS50 22x DVD+RW SATA ReWriter

That's a shade over $700, DX10, far beyond xbox specs and not far from ps3 level HD gaming. Now assuming i was just upgrading the board, ram, cpu and gfx card as i have the rest already (pretty normal for a PC gamer) i'm well under your $500 even including shipping. And it's not even accounting for overclocking.

Tom(10:49 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Well at least you raise good (additional) points and you talk with a brain on your shoulder, but like others here you conveniently steer around the PC cost issues.

I'm not going to argue the console vs PC competitions dude. I know a PC gamer would kill a console. Not debatable. But also not the point. My point was purely that people will game on a console these days instead of a PC. PC gaming is NOTHING like it used to be. This generation of console, be it that they are outdated upon release still killed off PC gaming interests. The majority of gamers today that play FPS play it on a console and they do that because it doesn't cost an arm and a leg and it's literally cheat free. PC is nothing but a shitpile these days. There is shit protection out there and zero honesty and game companies that don't give a shit about PC but claim too.

As for you PC specs you do not show prices. Am I just supposed to take your word for it? LOL! What about taxes? And where is the keyboard, mouse, LCD, Operating system?? What? I just put this together and I can game? Uhh.. no.

Don't give me the BS or generalize that all most have to do is upgrade.. For some sure, but for others they would have to buy an entire PC. These people claim you can build a gaming pc for $300 etc. Which is total BS. Ya you can build an utter piece of shit PC sure.. but not a gaming PC. You know it and I know it. I don't call gaming on a PC at 640x480 or 800x600 gaming. I also don't call gaming on a PC where you have to turn off all the eye candy.

- Case: Hades Case
- Power Supply: 450W
- CPU: Intel Core i3 530 2.93GHz (Clarkdale)
- Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-H55M-S2 Intel H55 (Socket 1156) DDR3 microATX Motherboard
- Cooler: Intel Approved Cooler
- RAM: Corsair XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual Channel Kit
- Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB SATA-II 16MB Cache
- Graphics Card: Geforce 260GTX Super Overclocked edition 1024MB
- Sound: High Definition 7.1 Onboard Sound Card
- Optical Drive: LG GH22NS50 22x DVD+RW SATA ReWriter

So I ask again, where is the LCD, keyboard, mouse and OS factored in here. A person is just going to have a LCD kicking around? So add that on and you are well over $800. And again, how about taxes? Do you live in a tax free country or something?

My Xbox 360 Elite cost me $389 "NEW" after taxes.
My PS3 cost me $450 and it's a fat one. The slim is much cheaper with a bigger drive than my antique PS3.

Fact is, if you want a decent gaming machine that you won't be running games at shit quality or faced with upgrading you have to spend well over a $1000 easy. Some retards in this thread will diss me and sling shit but you will see they never come and prove their bs. That's the difference between me and them. I say it like it is and most here bullshit so much their face turns brown.

P.S. A friend of mine who like to think like these other clowns thought he too could build a PC for $500. At the start he said, Tom, all I have is $500. You know what? In the end he realized for $500 he could maybe do it (but like these other idiots he didn't factor in lots of things) but he realized it would be a POS so in the end he spent nearly $1400 for a decent PC, after taxes and shipping and he had to put it together himself.

raven99(10:58 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
[quote="Tom"]LOL! A lot of people sure piss their day at work or on pogey eh?! LOL! I am not going to play the flame game, I got more important things to do today than educate a bunch or morons. Sorry but fps in general are played more on console than on FPS. Just throwing up a stat on BC2 means jack shit it's also not reflective of truly how many people are playing. A lot of people play unranked as well. I have about 3 or 4 fps on console and they are all played way more than on PC. Some don't even exist on PC because developers couldn't give a shit about a always pirated system that brings ZERO profit.

It's amazing how much you fire off those ignorant comments Tom, but against you never provide anything to prove you point. So all you words basically prove it that you're talking out your other end. Because you play your FPS on a useless console obviously means that everyone else must also and that's all the numbers and fact you need. You cant put two words on a post with out insulting everyone else who disagrees with you're opinion, which makes you sound just a unintelligent as the people who flame you. You and koogle are two peas in a pod people don't see it you're way they are obviously retards and morons.

Grow up

You whine like a whipped dog

WilderWein(11:12 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
Funny that nobody looked over to so-well-hated STEAM... 62K players for CS:S per day, same goes for COD2MW, CS to name the top 3. PC-FPS is dead,... sure, on the same day more MMORPG is played more on consoles than on PC´s (and that´s where the money is, ask Blizzard) and that will take it´s time.

Tom(11:15 PM CEST - Sep,21 2010 )
raven99>
It's amazing how much you fire off those ignorant comments Tom, but against you never provide anything to prove you point. So all you words basically prove it that you're talking out your other end. Because you play your FPS on a useless console obviously means that everyone else must also and that's all the numbers and fact you need. You cant put two words on a post with out insulting everyone else who disagrees with you're opinion, which makes you sound just a unintelligent as the people who flame you. You and koogle are two peas in a pod people don't see it you're way they are obviously retards and morons.

Grow up

You whine like a whipped dog

It's not opinion, it's fact. :wink: Everything I have stated is fact.

- Prove FPS on PC is stronger than on console. It isn't. Literally nothing on PC holds a candle to the communities behind console.

- Prove PC does better in gaming than console. It doesn't even come close. Show me PC games that publishers made more money over console. Not including Gaycraft. Not gonna happen.

- Prove you can build a worthy gaming PC for $300 or even $500, including taxes and shipping. A complete system and not just the core. Not gonna happen, it's gonna be a piece of shit that games will look like shit on.

- Prove otherwise that these retards (you know who you are) above me don't always sling shit and prove shit.

Facts not opinion. Wake up. You need to learn what the difference is between opinion and facts.

Like the other thread, I will just check back and no longer participate here because like you said, I said enough. I wait for these brainchilds to prove ANYTHING I've stated to be wrong, with facts. And just like the other threads, they will disappear because when it comes down to it, all these people on this site do is throw bs around and disappear until they can start another flame war in another thread and show their retardedness once again.

WilderWein> Funny that nobody looked over to so-well-hated STEAM... 62K players for CS:S per day, same goes for COD2MW, CS to name the top 3. PC-FPS is dead,... sure, on the same day more MMORPG is played more on consoles than on PC´s (and that´s where the money is, ask Blizzard) and that will take it´s time.

For a Windows system, the minimum World of Warcraft system requirements are as follows:
- Intel Pentium III 800 MHz or AMD Athlon 800 MHz processor
- at least 512 MB of RAM,
- 32 MB graphics card,
- DirectX 9.0,
- 6.0 GB of hard drive space
- 4x CD-ROM
- 56k internet connection.

CS: Source and that other garbage.

Minimum: 1.7 GHz Processor, 512MB RAM, DirectX® 8.1 level Graphics Card (Requires support for SSE), Windows® Vista/XP/2000, Mouse, Keyboard, Internet Connection


Get with it fella. That's why you see lots of people playing it. And then when they are done, they go to their console. People playing this garbage on PC wont likely dish out a grand to play "today's" games...

COD MW2, well that's a different story and I play it and there isn't that many people playing it. Actually.. so if that's all you got your arguement to my facts are they are pretty weak.

yessum(01:02 AM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
what's fantastic is how arrogant and incredibly dumb pc gamers often are.
numbers are huge. css has huge numbers. since its beginning. along with other fps on pc. a lot of those are same gamers. same gamers since dod (:s) cs tfc and quake 2 and quake 3 and ut. These gamers are still gamers. But they're old. Too old for anything decent. And the attitude that comes with you guys... seriously. It's worse than of a fetus about to be yanked from its womb.

Who gives a fuck? Who complains so much? Who has their heads so far up their asses that they can't see the actual point. Mainly pc gamers.

Gaming is meant to be fun. You have more, far more, decent/honest/functional gamers on the consoles than on pc. On pc, you have twats, underage fags, vets, and people who will never ever ever ever buy a console because it's for "dumb" people.

Pc games nowadays are mostly ports. Console games are dominating the market because every time a kid turns 13 he gets a console. Consoles are cheaper, easier to use, and they have a wide variety of games.

PC gaming is now a niche market. Very small. (IF YOU GIVES ME NUMBERS THAT SAY OTHERWISE, SHOVE THEM UP YOUR FUCKING ASS AND STOP ACTING LIKE A RETARD)

Pc gaming has the same people, the same gamers, the same everything. You will not, and i meant his sincerely, find a decent, honest pc gamer under the age of 24 (thats not a brainwashed pc lover). And their numbers shrink yearly. Jobs/Girlfriends/Family. Those issues aren't issues with consoles. Anyone can buy a console, pick up a console, play for 30 minutes, get on with their lives. If you have a family... even better. if you have a girlfriend... she can play too. Can't do that on pc anymore. lol

Pc gaming takes time. Takes effort.
Console gaming just requires an HDMI cable.


And pc gaming is dying. The devoted fanbase is now in their at least 20s. Soon to become responsible adults. Any over the 25 year pc gamer that plays a shit load, either has no girlfriend, no job, no financial responsibility. Pc gaming singles people out. it's a 'cool' club. And it's shrinking.

Console gaming is growing because every year console sales go through the roof. Every child wants a console, they get a console, they become a console gamer.

There really is NOTHING on pc. RTS/RPG/MMOs/FPS... yeah if you're a fat slob with nothing between his legs then yeah, pc has a lot to offer.

But back in the day pc gaming was vibrant. Amazing. Revolutionary. Incredible. Now, pc gaming is dusty, foggy, muggy, disgusting, weak, pathetic, simple.

console games keep on improving. console gamer base keeps on growing.


Oh, and a side note. A lot of pc gamers also are console gamers and sometimes buy a copy of each game. I own MW2 for pc and xbox. Along with other games.


It's lol.

tiamat(01:17 AM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
Yes i will admit that your first dip into the PC world will be slightly more expensive when you add the cost of the mouse, keyboard and monitor but my point is once you have got your first rig things get less expensive in the long run as you don't need to replace your keyboard, mouse or monitor every 3 years or so. My example from before was based around my last upgrade a while back which was slightly above the usual as i replaced the whole box at the time rather than just board, ram and chip (i always do gfx card and the core bundle at different times to spread the cost).

Tom> - Prove FPS on PC is stronger than on console. It isn't. Literally nothing on PC holds a candle to the communities behind console.

In my last post i pretty much agreed with you on this simply because on average the console user base is larger due to the points i made. The quality of the community has to factor in though and even console owners have to admit that online console games are probably more riddled with asshats than the PC (which is far from immune to these people).

Tom> - Prove PC does better in gaming than console. It doesn't even come close. Show me PC games that publishers made more money over console. Not including Gaycraft. Not gonna happen.

Since you mention the quality of the games sucking on a low-end pc, which it does, the opposite is true at the other end. A top-spec (of even upper mid-tier) PC actually looks better than the consoles. I have seen several comparisons here and the xbox always comes last with the top usually being the PC. This is noramally down to the available video memory available for textures and as the PC has more video memory available textures are generally higher resolution and crisper on the PC. Char textures and foliage are the 2 areas that always seem to be lower quality on the consoles.

Here is one example (i know there are several here i can't find now) and there are lots more around.
http://uk.gamespot.com/features/6239466/index.html

Tom> - Prove you can build a worthy gaming PC for $300 or even $500, including taxes and shipping. A complete system and not just the core. Not gonna happen, it's gonna be a piece of shit that games will look like shit on.

Not for your first buy no but a year or two in you drop in a new gfx card or replace the board/ram/cpu as a bundle and the cost is much smaller.

Tom> - Prove otherwise that these retards (you know who you are) above me don't always sling shit and prove shit.

Well they give no proof or credible argument in most cases. You have me there xP

I didn't post anything other than rough prices before because i didn't know if external linking is allowed, but ok (remember this was the first place i checked so i didn't shop around). These are UK prices so it does depend on exchange rates and hey, it's always cheaper to source your own components and build your own.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=FS-270-OK&groupid=43&catid=1078&subcat=

That comes in at $523.06 on current exchange rates and the gfx card was $218.59. Annoyingly they don't sell it anymore and i can't find 1gb versions elsewhere now but it was the gigbyte super OC (which i just retired for a 285 OC2 i got cheap from a friend who upgraded).

Typically i will upgrade the gfx card every 2-3 years and the same with the core bundle.

It is true that the PC will set you back a little more but the whole myth that a good gaming rig will cost $1000-$2000 is really just wrong. Your first one maybe but any hardcore PC gamer will always upgrade in small increments after buying the whole set. The "maintenance" to keep you at a decent level will be around $500-$700 every 3 years or so which isn't actually that much more than you would pay for a brand new console close to launch date (unless you want to go silly with top-tier quad-SLI). Most PC gamers i know started with a crappy $500 PC and slowly built on it but that isn't really the point of the debate as unless it runs smoothly at 1280x1024+ at full detail it isn't really a comparison.

For me, given that my pc does a whole lot more than just gaming, textures generally look better and i'm not locked to my TV's framerate i would go PC over console every time and i know many people that go the same way. I would still have a crappy $500 PC even if i owned a console so sticking an extra $300-$400 in it to get HD gaming in as well really isn't overpriced. It may just be an age thing (i don't know many people in their early teens/twenties if i am honest) but very few people i know even own consoles and are all PC gamers. I guess in my age bracket (30+) cost is less of an issue too which is probably a significant factor.

You do also have a point about the OS licence too, i do tend to forget about that but given that XP is nearly 10 years old and Win7 home basic is not much over $100 it isn't a huge cost to pay every 10 years (which is how long it will be until MS release another decent OS or linux gaming catches up).


yessum> These gamers are still gamers. But they're old. Too old for anything decent. And the attitude that comes with you guys... seriously. It's worse than of a fetus about to be yanked from its womb.
I'm too old for anything decent? I have attitude? Well i came up with decent, balanced debate that actually has some credible and intelligent points (at least i think so). You come up with insults backed up by nothing more than other insults. I think you have actually just proved my point for me, thank you good sir.

Renton(01:38 AM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
What are we? Corporate leechers or gamers? As I said before I own the 3 platforms (Wii isnt even on the map for me) and when a game I happen to like appears to be only in console I grab it, otherwise I always go for the PC version. Because it always looks a lot better, have some degree of control over it (or a lot in the case of mod tools) and I freaking hate the discs and cases (yeah, I'm a Steam lover).

I'm not an RTS/MMORPG gamer, never like those kind of games. Same goes to the sports and fight ones.

Why can we everybody just play what we like the way we like without looking at an NPD sale chart? Who the fuck cares how many zilillions copies of Modern Lolfail 3 CrapyVision sells in the fourth quarter? Are everybody holding stocks from EA? OH NO! Jimmy Jones says PC gaming is dead, so tomorow I'm going to make a Barbacue of my gaming rig. Fuck Jimmy Jones, fuck Tom, Fuck Yessum, fuck Koogle, fuck Kudo Tsunoda and fuck everyone who cant think for themselves. It appears that if nobody say to them "that's fun" they are unable to enjoy anything.

gx-x(07:23 AM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
Tom, we gave you the prices. Also, we told you that you are comparing ps3 graphics (dragon age for example, 30fps, 1920x1080 (I am not sure if it is NOT an upscale like a lot of games on PS3) no AA, no AF, no advanced shaders etc. versus 1000+ $ PC that you say you need to play same games, you are disregarding that PC for that money will play DA on max settings, unreachable by PS3, with AA + bunch of other crap, if you add decent sound card (why not, 70$ for x-fi fatlity with less memory which you really don;t even need) it will even sound better than on PS3.

Just because 50% of people drive junk cars doesn't mean BMW sucks and is dying ffs...

PS. It's not my problem that you cannot find cheaper hardware or make a bargain etc. I can get PS3 here for ~180-200 euros with few games in the pack, sure, it's used but under warranty - who cares?
If YOU don't have time for search/research, then just buy what you buy, it is meant to be more expensive if you don't put effort into it.

quote:
PC for $300 or even $500, including taxes and shipping.

get your lazy ass up to the store, what fucking shipping lol. You are dumping your cash around, no wonder you can get decent prices when you expect to be SERVED like some royalty lol...man...I wish I had the cash to dump around like that....damn :/

edit:

http://www.gigatronshop.com/products/show_product/21292/2

there you go. Tom :P offical euro/RSD (dinar) exchange is ~105rsd for 1 euro so calculate. That half-crap computer will play games with same visual quality that your PS3 does and do lot more stuff for 300 euros.

for 500€ http://www.gigatronshop.com/products/show_product/19171/2 this will cook your PS3 for launch (joking ;) )

with shipping to USA it will cost you some 250euros more, so I guess you still hold your point, you can't get it for 300~500$/€

El_Coyote(09:13 AM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
poasting in longest thread on this site evar!

psychoo(10:56 AM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
yessum, you learned well the homework for console marketing :) but nothing more unfortunately.

"Pc gaming takes time. Takes effort.
Console gaming just requires an HDMI cable."

so it's good for the dumb masses. i agree in that.

Tom(05:14 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
Look at the shit systems posted. :P Yeah lets buy a POS PC that will play shit and is made with shit parts, lets buy something that we definitely will continue to sink money into. This was the best you could do? Wow, Oh and I love the laptop one..Hey everyone, lets go buy a shit laptop so 1 year from now its a worthless piece of junk that maybe I can only send e-mail with.. :roll:

You lost before you began but some of you just don't get it. A PC will always cost more than a console and that's why people couldn't give a shit about PC gaming. And why would anybody in their right mind, especially new to gaming fork out the cash required to build a PC only to play cheat infested games? Effort? Effort for what? Reading about finding a game that isn't cheat infested? Finding a game that wont bluescreen their system? The proof is in the numbers and console games outsell PC by a HUGE margin. I wont even argue with you lame brains because you just will never get it. You will sit there in denial until there is like 1 game a year released on PC and even still you will probably be like. PC Gaming ain't dead?! C'mon...

In the end the PC is nothing but a waste of money and a glorified tool to go to facebook, post on twitter and check your email. For most people, especially with a console, that's all their PC is used for. Again, thanks for the pathetic $300/$500 system examples. Was quite a good laugh for a first read in the morning.

psolord(05:41 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
Tom, you are so fucking narrow minded man.

We had the same conversation in that previous thread.
http://www.ggmania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17852&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

You were asking again for prices and I built you a system which you don't accept.

Here we go again for a second time

Case 35$ (with offer code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147023

PSU 30$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171046

mobo 45$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157165&cm_re=g41-_-13-157-165-_-Product

RAM 2GB 41$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161172

cpu 70$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116076

4850 1GB 77$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102834R&cm_re=4850-_-14-102-834R-_-Product

HDD 500GB 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299

KB+Mouse 19$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492690

DVD 20$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

All in all 378$.

How much a PS3 250GB costs?
350$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868110057

With half the HDD to boot!

The above system I built for you can do the following

YouTube - SINGULARITY 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - RACE DRIVER GRID 1920x1080 4XAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - DIRT 2 BENCHMARK 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - BAD COMPANY 2 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - FEAR 2 1920x1080 4XAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - CALL OF DUTY WORLD AT WAR 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - CALL OF DUTY IV 1920x1080 4XAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - LOST PLANET 2 BENCHMARK DX9 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - SUPREME COMMANDER 2 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - MAFIA 2 BENCHMARK 1920x1080 NOAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - KANE AND LYNCH 2 DOG DAYS 1920x1080 4XAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

Do you get more framerate on the PS3? NO

Do you get 1080P on the PS3 with this kind of quality? NO

You are annoyed by tearing? Turn on vsync! Can you do that on the PS3? NO

You want an LCD monitor to go with the PC? Why? Can't you just plug the fucking thing on the TV? Yes you can!

You think that the PC I built for you is too little? OK. Can you reduce the resolution at 720P and jump the framerate by 50%? Yes you can! Can you do the same on the PS3? No, but the developers can. They give you 480P games now and you are happy as a retarded clam.

You want more from this PC? Add another 100$ to the price and get yourself a GTX 460. You instantly get a 50% increase in performance for 1080P resolution. Can you do that on the PS3? LOL you'd wish.

Please do everyone a favor and open your fucking sawed eye lid eyes for once in your life.

Now go back to your non 1:1 pixel mapped, low res, low polygon, low texture games and leave us enjoy our PCs.

Renton(05:51 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
@Tom:

Live and let live.

If you dont like gaming in the PC anymore why you need to justify yourself? I mean, every topic with you in it is exactly the same. The worst part is that you fill every sentence with so much hate and insults that the facts are lost in translation.

Even if you are right (not saying your arent) theres so much rage in every paragraph that when someone finally finish your posts is wondering if you ever got breast feeded.

Also the reality of the world is so much different of your narrowed pov. You can say gaming in consoles is cheaper in your country, but here we can get a Steam game for the standar USA cost, lets say 50 bucks, and a PS3 or 360 game costs around 125 US dollars and with a 10 day delay. If you are not anxious and wait about 15-30 days from launch a retail copy of a PC game costs around 25-30 US dollars.

The PS3 Slim here costs 575 US Dollars (500 the fat one).
The 360 Slim 490 and 450 the old elite.

For a reference point, the GTX 460 1GB/OC can grab it for 280 US dollars. And we are talking about a beast that can manage full HD resolution with 8-16xTRMSAA, 16xAF and the details maxed out in every game. The only one that cant handle in full detail is Metro 2033 wich I have to turn off ADOA (wich is a lesser feature). But even in medium quality with a 8800GT Metro kick ass on PC compared to the washed out version of consoles. MW2 in 360 makes me wanna puke, the level of detail is horrible, but not at the level of SHIFT in PS3, totally lame. And the games with mod support like FO3 they cant even said that the textures have detailed surfaces, it's all just blurry colors.

Again, I have the 3 platforms and buy games for the 3 of them, so I dont give a shit about blindless fanatism and your Made in the USA Facts.

psolord(05:51 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
@Yessum
quote:

Gaming is meant to be fun. You have more, far more, decent/honest/functional gamers on the consoles than on pc. On pc, you have twats, underage fags, vets, and people who will never ever ever ever buy a console because it's for "dumb" people.

Decent honest functional games?

You must be fucking kidding me right?

Do you want to see what game consoles have done for gaming?

This my recent Transformers video
YouTube - TRANSFORMERS WAR FOR CYBERTRON (UNCAPPED) 1920X1080 NVIDIA GTX 460 1GB @850MHz Q9550 @4.0GHz

Did you notice the "UNCAPPED" part? Do you know what that means? Let me enlighten you.

That fucking game, came on the PC CAPPED at 30fps. Some dude made a hack, which you load before launching the game and once you are ingame, you press "0" and the game gets uncapped. I have the download link in the description. Try it yourself and tell me it's the same fucking thing.

It runs at like 100fps on my GTX and more than 60fps on my lowly 4850 and that's at 1080P.

So the fucking developer, in order not to make consoles look so bad, desided that he had to CAP the game at 30fps?

Some people in this forum are always telling me when I am bitching about frame capping and the fucked up 30fps, that "Hey man it's designed for 30fps so it's smooth". WELL FUCK THAT!

The dude that made this hack, just caught everyone with their pants down.

Corporate fucking sold out bastards.

The Force Unleashed, Spil/Second, Blur would have been much better if the 30fps limit was not there. This is due to consoles. Wake up people.

Again @ALL download this hack and see how they fuck up our PC games.

psolord(05:53 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
@renton

To whom are you referring mate?

Tom(06:29 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
psolord> Tom, you are so fucking narrow minded man.

We had the same conversation in that previous thread.
http://www.ggmania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=17852&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

You were asking again for prices and I built you a system which you don't accept.

Here we go again for a second time

Case 35$ (with offer code)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147023

PSU 30$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171046

mobo 45$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157165&cm_re=g41-_-13-157-165-_-Product

RAM 2GB 41$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820161172

cpu 70$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116076

4850 1GB 77$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102834R&cm_re=4850-_-14-102-834R-_-Product

HDD 500GB 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299

KB+Mouse 19$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492690

DVD 20$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

All in all 378$.

How much a PS3 250GB costs?
350$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16868110057

With half the HDD to boot!

The above system I built for you can do the following

YouTube - SINGULARITY 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - RACE DRIVER GRID 1920x1080 4XAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - DIRT 2 BENCHMARK 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - BAD COMPANY 2 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - FEAR 2 1920x1080 4XAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - CALL OF DUTY WORLD AT WAR 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - CALL OF DUTY IV 1920x1080 4XAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - LOST PLANET 2 BENCHMARK DX9 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - SUPREME COMMANDER 2 1920x1080 ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - MAFIA 2 BENCHMARK 1920x1080 NOAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

YouTube - KANE AND LYNCH 2 DOG DAYS 1920x1080 4XAA ATI 4850 @750MHz E6600 @3.0GHz

Do you get more framerate on the PS3? NO

Do you get 1080P on the PS3 with this kind of quality? NO

You are annoyed by tearing? Turn on vsync! Can you do that on the PS3? NO

You want an LCD monitor to go with the PC? Why? Can't you just plug the fucking thing on the TV? Yes you can!

You think that the PC I built for you is too little? OK. Can you reduce the resolution at 720P and jump the framerate by 50%? Yes you can! Can you do the same on the PS3? No, but the developers can. They give you 480P games now and you are happy as a retarded clam.

You want more from this PC? Add another 100$ to the price and get yourself a GTX 460. You instantly get a 50% increase in performance for 1080P resolution. Can you do that on the PS3? LOL you'd wish.

Please do everyone a favor and open your fucking sawed eye lid eyes for once in your life.

Now go back to your non 1:1 pixel mapped, low res, low polygon, low texture games and leave us enjoy our PCs.

Nice massaging of the prices there bud. I checked your links.. like the HD that is $20 cheaper in your list. I like how you scrapped around to find anything and everything with a time limited discount. LOL!

Where is the cost of the OS?
Where is the shipping costs?
How about the taxes?
Who's going to be able to put it all together? Some will probably have to pay someone..

so all in all your PC is shit, just like I told you before. I guess for morons who read your post and say.. oh gee he's right. You got me. But for those with an actual brain on their shoulder will know your pc config is a complete peice of shit and does not in reality fall under $400 at all. Shit parts like the fucking no name keyboard and mouse and psu not to mention a complete shit ass case. Check the comments for these parts people. They are all shit parts like the PSU for example, guy on his 3rd PSU, others saying not to buy "this pos". Get a grip psolord I told you in the last thread the PC sucked ass and here you come with a slightly modified list and you didn't even take the time to see half the parts are complete shit and rated as shit by consumers and sites alike. I would buy a console before I bought that shit and then you conveniently leave out other costs and then you just assume "anyone" can put it all together..

psolord>
Do you want to see what game consoles have done for gaming?

It's like that because in the end, they don't give a shit about PC man. All PC get's is shit releases. The focus is on console, like it or not. But at least you get a hack :roll: by some nobody who probably also planted a trojan in there. Game developers don't give a shit about PC, they are catering to the smallest of smallest consumers.

Renton(08:16 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
psolord> @renton

To whom are you referring mate?

To Tom. When I finished my post yours ends up in the middle. :D

Tom> Who's going to be able to put it all together? Some will probably have to pay someone..

Your remind that fucktards that paid some dude to install their home theater system. Like Mac owners, if they found an icon missplaced they panic and run to customer service.

psolord(09:14 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
Tom>
Nice massaging of the prices there bud. I checked your links.. like the HD that is $20 cheaper in your list. I like how you scrapped around to find anything and everything with a time limited discount. LOL!

Where is the cost of the OS?
Where is the shipping costs?
How about the taxes?
Who's going to be able to put it all together? Some will probably have to pay someone..

so all in all your PC is shit, just like I told you before. I guess for morons who read your post and say.. oh gee he's right. You got me. But for those with an actual brain on their shoulder will know your pc config is a complete peice of shit and does not in reality fall under $400 at all. Shit parts like the fucking no name keyboard and mouse and psu not to mention a complete shit ass case. Check the comments for these parts people. They are all shit parts like the PSU for example, guy on his 3rd PSU, others saying not to buy "this pos". Get a grip psolord I told you in the last thread the PC sucked ass and here you come with a slightly modified list and you didn't even take the time to see half the parts are complete shit and rated as shit by consumers and sites alike. I would buy a console before I bought that shit and then you conveniently leave out other costs and then you just assume "anyone" can put it all together..


It's like that because in the end, they don't give a shit about PC man. All PC get's is shit releases. The focus is on console, like it or not. But at least you get a hack :roll: by some nobody who probably also planted a trojan in there. Game developers don't give a shit about PC, they are catering to the smallest of smallest consumers.

It's been a few days since I posted these prices. Do you want me to keep them updated for you? Oh rly? Of course I found things on sale man. They get the job done. It's called, doing your market research before going into the shop like a retarded ox and have the salesman throw whatever he wants at you.

I just received an offer from my local retailer for 4850s at 45 euros.
http://www.plaisio.gr/ProductPreview.aspx?Catalog=20&Category=69977735&Product=1130358&utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=1009_Stock_House_02
For the love of God man, I live in the smallest country and we have offers like that twice a week. Don't tell me YOU can't find any of these offers? That's how I got my 4850 for 50 euros. It's even cheaper now.

Shipping costs? What shipping costs? Whatever the shipping costs are for the PS3, the same apply for the PC. What's your point? As someone said previously, if they don't ship free of charge (totally unacceptable-all shops have free delivery for purchases above 100 euros where I live) then get off your lazy ass and go get them yourself.

Taxes? What taxes? If you have to pay taxes, again they apply for all products.

OS? Yeah right! Go download yourself a Windows 7 man. You think what I propose is indecent? Was it decent for MS to fuck everyone up with Vista and then asking for our money again for 7? At least with PCs you have the option to use Linux as well. Want to stretch it a bit. Use Wine along. You will still get a better experience from your PC.

Don't they assemble the PC in Newegg? I don't know but again, all PCs are delivered as a whole where I live, if the parts can be assembled. Even if you buy just some parts that can be assembled, they still ask you if you want them assembled. As a last resort. Do it yourself. It doesn't take a genius. Just RTFM.

As for the PSU, that's a Coolermaster man. Since when is coolermaster third party no name? WTF?

On top of that, the PS3 has just one year warranty! ONE!! In the PC I made for you, you at least get, lifetime for the RAM, 3 years for the CPU and 3 years for the HDD. Quite possibly you could get another 2 years for the graphics card. So is that how much SONY trust their product that they give 1 YEAR WARRANTY? HUAHUAHUAHUA. And it is the PC I made for you shit? You are cranking my up. Really.

So all in all, the PC is fine. You just need to open your eyes.

BTW, the frame unlocker in Transformers was clean. A self respecting PC user should know better to check the files he is using and at least have Spybot Search and Destroy for registry protection and trojan blocking. One more free of charge util. If it was to be found on PS3, SONY would charge you 50$ for it.

The PC is all about options. The consoles is all about herding stupid kids. End of story.

psolord(09:16 PM CEST - Sep,22 2010 )
Renton> psolord> @renton

To whom are you referring mate?

To Tom. When I finished my post yours ends up in the middle. :D

Tom> Who's going to be able to put it all together? Some will probably have to pay someone..

Your remind that fucktards that paid some dude to install their home theater system. Like Mac owners, if they found an icon missplaced they panic and run to customer service.

Ok man. :D

Nice comment there. Customer service for misplaced icons, lol!

Csimbi(05:32 PM CEST - Sep,23 2010 )
psolord> The PC is all about options. The consoles is all about herding stupid kids. End of story.
That was perhaps a bit harsh, but I have similar feelings.
But why do you argue? If someone wants to be faithful to his PC or console no matter the cost, let them be.

gx-x(05:49 PM CEST - Sep,23 2010 )
i like it how Tom bitches about HDDs while the PS3 came with 60gb or 80gb in the beginning :D now you get a whooping 320gb combined with 4 year old 256mb vid card for the low price of 300$ XD Then you pay 50$ for 30fps games and bitch about PC gaming being dead while boosting how consoles rule the gaming scene. I just wait to see the moment when they will try to sell you 1280x900 game upscaled to HD and capped at 24fps. MotoStorm anyone? XD

anyway, this pc vs ps3 pricing isn't about (for me at least) what is better, it's about "you need 1000+ dollar PC to play games" not being true. I don't have anything against people having all consoles and PC and having fun on all of them. That's what consoles are built for...until we hit 30fps cap, upscales etc. Psolord already reflected on the marketing with 30fps cap on transformers example. I personally mind the greed of developers and lack of enthusiasm when it comes to titles. No one wants to make games that will appeal more to PC users and bring in less money. Titles like HOMM, Diablo, Space Rangers, gothic, TES and so on, are being dumbed down, adopted to appeal to "general retards" (look at gothic arcania) to bring more cash.
One may say that PC gaming is dying, but that is not true, games genres and games are dying, on all platforms. If it goes on like this, gothic will become diablo, diablo will become like alien swarm and CoD will have a reward for pressing LT twice in a row with aimbot as a game feature for the sake of leveling the playing field for everyone :/ Do you want that?

I don't.

El_Coyote(03:13 PM CEST - Sep,24 2010 )
who gives a flying fuck, really?

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