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Evening Reading-DX10 to be Vista only - confirmed - briefly
(hx) 02:04 AM CEST - Jun,16 2006 - Post a comment / read (19)
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lmer(11:50 AM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
DivX is just crap. They announced a speed improvement in 6.2 of 350%. That's an obvious marketing trick which works only for users with AMDX2 and other high powered multithreaders. Still as slow as it was from 5.0 and up on CPU vulgaris. Don't even think about encoding at highest quality. You need a supercomputer to encode a 2 hour video in less than 8 hours. I recently cleaned my system of codecs; about 10 of them and am now using ffdshow to decode all my videos, including H264. I've left XviD 1.1 arround for emergency encodes (which is alot faster than any DivX so far, and provides better picture quality).

Bill Gates retiring? I hope he doesn't move to a secluded planet and keeps giving us revolutionary things such as no support for DX10 in XP.

Good news for Rockstar though. RAGE engine certainly looks like an improvement over that awfull Renderware. Doesn't look like a quantum leap but the characters look more alive. And it looks like some shading is going on in there.

devilhood(03:28 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
No DX 10 in XP makes me extremely angry, because I'd prefer to upgrade to Vista after at least one service pack and a handful of updates, not to mention also witnessing real world performance and benchmarks from the retail first.
Meh, I'll probably have a totally different computer configuration by the time I actually get Vista anyways.

xxxx(03:37 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
personally I couldn't care less about DX10 and XP. When Vista comes out that's what I'm switching too for many reasons. I'm bored of XP, XP firewall is too basic and I want more configuration, security is higher in Vista and I like the new GUI's and stuff. I've tweaked the hell out of my XP right now, I need something new to tweak..games included.

Oh my heart bleeds that Mr.Bill Gates is stepping down slightly. Maybe he should get a face tuck! If I see anymore of his face sagging I'm going to have to personally email him and tell him to use a billion and fix it! Oh wait, Bill is here.. Ok Bill, when ur done messing with your hair can you get a Face tuck?

devilhood(03:44 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
dude, Vista's performance in games is disgusting.

http://techgage.com/review.php?id=5175&page=5

tweaking is all well and good though. maybe nLite will be able to pull something out of Vista to cut the crap and balance out performance.

xxxx(04:10 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
It's a beta OS. Just cuz 'someone' does an analysis on performance doesn't mean that's Gods word. Means dick to me to be honest. People used to say the Win2K was better for games, however I never found that once. XP was always great. It's like the video card reviews. I don't know where they pull their numbers from. My number never match up and I always exceed their so called FPS.

Things like this, I take with a grain of salt. And tweaking is everything. You need to know what to tweak and what doesn't need tweaking. It's like all those people who go stripping services from XP thinking, oh it's not needed, it's not needed. Maybe not, but then there are a million and one errors in the log files when you start shutting down services that are continually polled by the system. So while your gaming and the system is trying to communicate to disabled services you get crazy log file generation and internal timeouts. Like that Viper Service tweaking. A good number of services he says 'gamer' should kill is crap. But everyone goes, oh wicked thanks thanks thanks.. But they, imo, are clueless. One for instance, Background Intelligent Transfer. Many tell you to turn it off however XP uses this service a lot. One guy even said to turn off Event logging and stuff. Ridiculous.

In some cases, shutting down all the services they tell you actually 'slows' you down. I had my own metrics for this cuz I had to prove it to someone on some other forums. You really have to know what service does what.

Anonymous(04:35 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
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xxxx(04:37 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
Oh sure Bill and miss my flame fests, attacks at Gabe, attacks at ATI? Come on... you know you want to stay!!!

Anonymous(04:39 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
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devilhood(04:41 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
XXXX I know what you are saying, but it is simply logic; only an idiot would turn off a service without knowing what it does.
I have only a few services disabled and my XP runs rock solid with 0 errors on my event log.
Also, Vista is now a BETA OS which M$ feel confident in showing to the public, so I'm really not expecting any miracle turn around enhancements in-time for the release date.
So yeah, perhaps tweaking could be Vista's saving grace, or maybe Bill Gates is expecting the world to suddenly upgrade their system so that the performance loss is negligible, god only knows.
I have tried the Vista BETA myself, and real-world game performance 'was' noticeably slower, regardless of your opinions on benchmarks run by techy site posters.

Bill Gates: sorry to hear you are leaving in July, I always enjoyed reading your posts and I really hope you have a nice time with the fishies and stuff. Visit once and a while if you can :D

Safer(04:46 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
I would rather see mr. Balmer leave - he is as fanatic and evil as a right extremist christian warlord. Either way, sad to see you leave, Bill.

On the note of Beta 2 and performance. I have my self tested Beta 2 with a number of games and they performe okay - nothing fancy or shabby.

3dMark can go and blow kittens - they haven't even got support for XP x64 so having it be "the final word" on performance in Vista at the moment is a load of BS. :P

Happy "Dear god it's hot like hell" June!

devilhood(04:48 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
That's quite the optimistic stand-point Safer :lol:
I was cross-benching on my laptop and desktop machine and noticed FPS drops on FarCry and FEAR in the region of 10-30 depending on the environment.
I suppose later on performance on Vista will eventually be optimised, and the porting of DX10 to XP is inevitable indeed.
I'm personally looking forward to buying a nice new nVidia DX10 card, some 4 Gig RAM and cranking out the best from Vista, I was just disappointed from what I saw with game performance in BETA 2.

xxxx(05:12 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
devilhood>
I have tried the Vista BETA myself, and real-world game performance 'was' noticeably slower, regardless of your opinions on benchmarks run by techy site posters.


Well for me it was the same performance as XP, if not faster. Likely cuz the Creative drivers weren't installed. lmfao.

I will have to take a good look tonite. I think I'm gonna blow away XP and go with Vista from here on. IF, a big IF, the Creative drivers work.

devilhood(06:30 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
well aren't you the lucky one :P
I'll stick with XP SP2 until Vista hits retail, then I'll install again, my experience is that BETA's never give a satisfactory impression of what something is supposed to be doing.

xxxx(07:09 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
devilhood> well aren't you the lucky one :P

I guess I am. 8)

Safer(07:20 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
I'm always the optimist. :P

And I think a good deal of the performance shown now is related with the DX10 dummy implementation.

XXXX: X-FI was it? Been lurking on the Creative forums latley hoping to see some light from them (I want my expensive super soundcard to work) but nothing, nothing AT ALL so far. Very disapointing.

EDIT: Seems like a knowledegable poster have made a set of drivers that works on x64 of beta 2. Gonna try out now. ;)

http://forums.creative.com/creativelabs/board/message?board.id=Vista&message.id=520

lmer(08:19 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
Bill Gates> in July I will be leaving gameguru.

Bon voyage Bill! But i'm sure you'll stop by when you have time. ;)

xxxx(09:23 PM CEST - Jun,16 2006 )
Safer, what I have been told is not to use Creative Labs Vista beta drivers, but instead grab the latest Creative 64bit Xp Pro drivers. Install them, if they fail(they should) you will reboot and when you get back in then re-install the XP Pr 64bit drivers and everything should work. I know a lot of people who did the same thing and they all said it works. I am counting on this tonite for when I blow my XP away.. (fingers crossed). I will defintely throw your link to my hotmail account in case it doesn't work.

Safer(12:21 AM CEST - Jun,17 2006 )
xxxx: Good luck :P I have tested that and as far as I have tried it dosen't work but since, about 2 hours ago did a clear sweep (install anew) my whole system, I'm gonna try out a few new things on a fresh copy of Beta 2 installed.

Good luck to me.

xxxx(07:13 PM CEST - Jun,18 2006 )
It didn't work for me. I've given up until Creative releases drivers. Some guys from work that have different motherboards than mine it worked for them without issue and it's true all the components work. I tried but it just keeps saying a file is missing or corrupt. I do the same exact thing and even disabled UAP. God knows, just not worth the time.

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