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DICE unveils its WishList for PS4 and Xbox 720 - console
(hx) 06:18 PM CET - Mar,10 2012 - Post a comment / read (15)
Battlefield 3 developer DICE has revealed their Wishlist for next generation consoles (PS4 and Xbox 360):
During the Game Developer's Choice awards, DICE took home the prize of "Best Technology" for its Frostbite 2 engine. After accepting the award on behalf of his team, we asked DICE rendering architect Johan Andersson what the next generation of consoles would need to include for Frostbite 2 to work 'perfectly and as intended on high-end PCs.' To Andersson, the answer is "pretty easy to answer."

"There's two things: memory and processing power," he said. "We need lots and lots of processing power. The more you can cram into a machine, we'll take advantage of that." While 'more power' is the obvious answer -- both on the CPU and GPU side -- we wondered what wouldn't be 'enough' to work with. "Two gigabytes would not be enough when it comes to RAM [random access memory]" Andersson said. "Four gigabytes would work. Eight gigabytes? Yeah. I think that would be perfect when it comes to memory." Recommended system specifications for Battlefield 3 call for 4GB of RAM.

When discussing the feasibility of Andersson's dream specs with Tim Stevens from Engadget, the editor-in-chief said, "Presumably next-gen consoles will be rendering internally at 1080p, so they'll need much higher resolution assets than are commonly used for modern games (usually rendered at 720p and scaled up). Also, console lifespans have been getting longer, and presumably the next-gen units have an even longer journey ahead of them. More memory means more future-proofing. Finally, RAM is cheap. You can buy 8GB DDR3 modules for $40 retail. Buy the chips wholesale and it's easy to imagine the cost for 8GB dropping under $20."

But the current crop of HD consoles already do so much with the meager specifications they have, thanks in part to closed architectures of each device. The current Xbox 360 console houses 512 MB of GDDR3 RAM, while the PlayStation 3 includes 256MB of XDR Main RAM and 256MB GDDR3 VRAM, yet developers are still wowing players with amazing visuals.
last 10 comments:
Kompressor(09:23 PM CET - Mar,10 2012 )
So to sum up, Dice' dream specs for the next-gen console would be to make it as much as a high-end gaming PC as possible. Really? I thought it would be better if it had a small amount of ram and a slow CPU/GPU.

Useless article.

psolord(01:11 AM CET - Mar,11 2012 )
Here's my wishlist.

Fuck consoles. Cancel them and let them go to hell for trying to imitate PCs.

th4t1guy(07:41 AM CET - Mar,11 2012 )
Dice's dream console should have a separate processor dedicated to rendering bloom and blurring effects.

Sabot(12:19 PM CET - Mar,11 2012 )
psolord> Here's my wishlist.

Fuck consoles. Cancel them and let them go to hell for trying to imitate PCs.


Erm....do some educated research before engaging the mouth, when the brain isn't in gear.
Nearly everything on this planet =cell phone,TV,PVR, vehicle ECM, etc,etc has a CPU,RAM and a means of outputting (display) and a capability of performing it's own actions within its own environment. The PC isn't something special and unique.
Phones play games, Tablets play games. PCs were built to speed up industry for eg.
We were playing Pong, long before we were owning an affordable home PC that actualy DID anything worthwhile!
So is that the PC imitating Pong then?
A pile of computer parts isn't a games machine, but the same game parts will perform CAD for eg.
So what's your problem?
It's only software that actualy makes and brings games to life on ANY platform, regardless of hardware being 'PC'.
So a console 'exclusively' plays games, a PC doesn't, since it has lots of bloat inc an OS that is made for every bit of software sold under its name. Works with Win7,Vista... etc and will perform many other tasks.
It's the PC that has the problem when you're talking games as a platform. If it didn't, it wouldn't live under the constant cycle of patches for hardware incompatibility issues and the like.
Kettle...pot.

gx-x(06:13 PM CET - Mar,11 2012 )
th4t1guy> Dice's dream console should have a separate processor dedicated to rendering bloom and blurring effects.

Epic comment! xD Win!

@Stumpus:

"If it didn't, it wouldn't live under the constant cycle of patches for hardware incompatibility issues and the like. "

what the hell are you talking about man?

it's hardly the fault of the OS that someone made a, say, printer that doesn't work well. Market is full of junk products, and not just for PC, for everything.
Locking something and removing the possibility of change/upgrade isn't really the solution. It's actually retarded.

back to PC - If you buy a PC and install windows/linux it will work. No upgrades needed, no patches needed - ever. But then again, you will want to change something, fiddle with something and maybe screw something up. It's your fault :) Now, on consoles, you can't fiddle and change things BUT they still get screwed up. Explain that?! Isn't for instance $ony the one which constantly upgrades the PS3 firmware? I don't flash my PC's bios every month, do you?

PS. You patch games, not the PC. There is a world of difference between the two. It wasn't always like that. Developers and publishers used to be more responsible about their products. Today it's all about the cash now, patch later. And people support that by buying their shit over and over again. Fortunately, there are still responsible companies out there and their patches bring content and improvements, not fixes for shoddy codding and screw-ups.

Kompressor(01:00 AM CET - Mar,12 2012 )
There were computers and computer games long before pong.

Game consoles and console games & apps get patched all the time.

A gaming console and a computer (or gaming PC) are the exact same thing. There are no fundamental differences. Although, a console is made to be inexpensive and the operating system and games are optimized for that exact hardware, because everyone that has that console has that exact same hardware (or equivalent), which is a pro when price is concerned, but a con is that the hardware is not upgradable and is not powerful enough to run a modern, flexible OS to do tasks other than gaming.

One isn't necessarily better than the other, they are two different things. I have both. I use my high-end gaming PC to play highly graphical games like Battlefield 3 and StarCraft II, and I use my console to play simple games like Ono card game or Sonic the Hedgehog, and stream movies to my TV via Netflix.

gx-x(03:37 AM CET - Mar,12 2012 )
ok I get it, but what's the point? PC gets console ports in most cases of AAA titles, making PC inefficient even when it has 5x more power than the console from witch the title came from. It's not the PC's fault, it's software. That's my point.
Just look at Crysis games, they run fine, look good (the BEST) and sell good. Even the last console one is just fine, unlike some other games like BF3 witch looks worse, runs worse etc.

My point is, nothing is wrong with PC and OS, applications that come to it can be crap. As long as they can fix it (applications) they just prove my point - they did bad job on the application in the first place.

Sabot(06:54 PM CET - Mar,12 2012 )
gx-x> th4t1guy> Dice's dream console should have a separate processor dedicated to rendering bloom and blurring effects.

Epic comment! xD Win!

@Stumpus:

"If it didn't, it wouldn't live under the constant cycle of patches for hardware incompatibility issues and the like. "

what the hell are you talking about man?


back to PC - If you buy a PC and install windows/linux it will work. No upgrades needed, no patches needed - ever. But then again, you will want to change something, fiddle with something and maybe screw something up. It's your fault :) Now, on consoles, you can't fiddle and change things BUT they still get screwed up. Explain that?! Isn't for instance $ony the one which constantly upgrades the PS3 firmware? I don't flash my PC's bios every month, do you?

PS. You patch games, not the PC. There is a world of difference between the two. It wasn't always like that. Developers and publishers used to be more responsible about their products. Today it's all about the cash now, patch later. And people support that by buying their shit over and over again. Fortunately, there are still responsible companies out there and their patches bring content and improvements, not fixes for shoddy codding and screw-ups.


So you must be unique, since i get updates (PC name for patches) nearly weekly? Nothing to do with games at all, yet it's for browser security, system security,OS etc,etc.
So yes, the PC DOES get patched on a regular bases -the equivalent of the PS3 getting firmware updates, since that is its OS per se. In other words, you can change the HDD on a PS3 and you don't loose the OS since it's incorporated into the firmware and it's also to maintain security of the BD, since it plays games as well as films.
If you pull out the HDD with the PC you loose everything.
So pretty self explanatory why the PS3 has firmware updates, M$ just keep releasing OS patches more regularly to plug its many,many holes.
God i could tell you shoddy coding and screw ups alright on PC..
There is a wealth of games that were released on PC that needed bloody patches that were about half the size of the game!! Never mind extra content!!!
Daikatana for a bloody start, B-17 2 the mighty eighth, planes that crashed and persisted on 'driving' around with nothing left but a fuselage.
Falcon 4 needed a HUGE code rewrite and was re released under the title; Allied Force. The ultimate WORST pc tile i ever,ever played was Battlecruiser 3000AD. It was produced by Derek Smart, those of you of a certain age will know the trials and tribulations of this utter pile of junk!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlecruiser_3000AD#Development
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Bugs
Upon its initial release of Battlecruiser 3000AD, the game[21] contained many bugs that made it unstable,[2][22][23] according to a GameSpy.com reviewer, who asserted that "Smart consistently overrates his own products and his own abilities."[23] For his part, Derek Smart claimed that the buggy release was the responsibility of Take-Two.[citation needed]
After the initial release, Smart issued several patches and upgrades for the product over the next few months, and eventually a final patch was released to fix some of the major bugs. In February 1998, after obtaining publishing rights from Take-Two, Smart released the game on the Internet for download free of charge.[24]

quote:
Flame war
Before publisher Take-Two Interactive released Battlecruiser 3000AD in September 1996, it had generated one of the longest and largest flame wars in the history of Usenet.[19] This flamewar lasted for several years, garnered over 70,000 posts, and yielded a series of sites that documented and parodied its history.

http://www.dereksmart.org/

Back then on dial-up, it took me about a WEEK to download all roughly 600+mb of this crap!
So yep, back to games indeed :lol:

gx-x(07:48 PM CET - Mar,12 2012 )
quote:
So you must be unique, since i get updates (PC name for patches) nearly weekly? Nothing to do with games at all, yet it's for browser security, system security,OS etc,etc.


I don't use auto updates, everything works fine without them. I use malwarebytes antivirus and windows firewall + router's firewall. No security issues at all. Choice you made is optional, not mandatory.

quote:

So yes, the PC DOES get patched on a regular bases -the equivalent of the PS3 getting firmware updates, since that is its OS per se.


It's not even similar, let alone the same. You are not able to use some games on PS3 if you don't update firware, while I can use all games on PC without updating OS or BIOS. Game installs everything it needs.
ONLY thing you MIGHT need to update is graphics driver, but that's only if you have AMD GPU, which is also optional, you can go nVidia :P

quote:
In other words, you can change the HDD on a PS3 and you don't loose the OS since it's incorporated into the firmware and it's also to maintain security of the BD, since it plays games as well as films.


What security? lol PS3 got "updated" to address security. It was done so through removing linux OS support lol. C'mon man, get real. YOu can dump PS3's HDD into garbage and it won't miss it and it's OS is ridiculous. There is no OS, just a HUD. It's a console ffs, you can't do anything on it that Sony doesn't let you do it. But that is beside the point for this discussion.

quote:

If you pull out the HDD with the PC you loose everything.


O rly? :) Well, I can have 10 times more functional OS then the one from PS3 by booting from usb flash. I can boot linux, I can boot windows XP, hell I can even boot windows7 with large enough usb flash. No need for HDD.
AND on top of that, if you keep the same amount of data on PC's HDD as you keep on PS3's HDD you also don't loose anything when you remove HDD xD
Also, you can have 60GB SSD and keep OS and some essentials on it and keep everything else on another HDD, maybe even external HDD. You see, with PC you actually have options ;)

and like I said before, I don't have any issues, no constant cycles of updates etc. I have no compatibility issues with hardware because I inform myself before I buy something and I backup my data so my HDD can go to hell if it want's to, I have both data and warranty for the HDD.
IF I were to use PC like a console, I could change the whole goddammn thing every day since nothing important is on it. I would just insert games or movies or music from disks and that's it. Everything else can be in portable version and reside on a 16gb usb flash drive that costs 15$. I wouldn't even need internet connection.
As a matter of fact, I changed so many workstations at my job that I am quite used to running everything from USB flash. But that's also beside the point.

Point is - update cycles are optional on PC and mandatory on PS3 because some games can't work without some firmware patches. Internet connection is thus also mandatory for PS3 most of the time (on Xbox too) while it is not for PC. You don't need every stupid update from microsoft, especially if you are not using stupid internet exploiter but some other normal browser instead. ;)

Tom(08:57 PM CET - Mar,12 2012 )
Topic is not even worth discussing. It's like a fucking broken record here. I always liked PC over console but console are more affordable and less hassle than a PC. Who give a rats fucking ass if I have to update firmware. Ya sure Sony sucks major ass and strips features away, that does not equate the who landscape of console. Sony is retards and everyone knows it. But everyone with a fucking brain knows that console comes first and pc is a distant second. Suck on it, because that is the reality.

And whoever said, I don't install patches etc on their windows. Well you are a fucking moron. Games are tested against the latest Service Packs and just because you have a firewall means jack shit, if code in a application can be exploited a firewall and malware ain't gonna do jack shit most of the time. And I'll bet this same fucking moron is on the PC game site whining his game doesn't work. ffs.

Kompressor(12:04 AM CET - Mar,13 2012 )
Yes, Sony does suck ass, and yes, that guy is an ignorant idiot for not installing patches.

gx-x(12:26 AM CET - Mar,13 2012 )
I do install patches when I see it fit. I don't install automatically and I don't install every crap out there. I don't use IE or bitdefender or some crap like that and most patches fix those and crap related to those things and it's not fucking important at all! I am far from ignorant when it comes to computers or electronics in general.

and as for sony - sure, it's more affordable, on Mars perhaps. More affordable compared to what? Show me a 60fps 1080p (not upscaled from internal 720p!!!) good looking game that is also available for PC (so we can compare them) and I will yield. Yea, right. There is no such game. You get what you pay for, and I seriously don't know what would I expect from a 500$ crapware other than GT5 for 100$ fucking dollars which isn't that great either. Stupid Forza racing is better than that, and personaly I like NFS shift (1) better than both. Yes, I have played them, extensively if I may add. There is NOTHING that PS3 has to offer that would make me buy it for ANY price. Not a dollar. It would just collect dust.

There's just bunch of n00bs that don't know how to properly use and maintain their PC so we end up in the stupid spin story about how consoles are played on 55" TVs and PC on monitors, how consoles are great because they don't need constant patches like PC does etc. That's all just bullshit. My father has a laptop for over 5 years now, never updated anything, everything works. Never reinstalled windows. He just uses it for what he needs it and it works well. Updates and bloatware together with the stuff you don't need makes your PC crap, it's your own fault.

here, I just built this:
i3 2100 SB CPU
gigabyte z68 mobo
gtx 460 1gb
1tb hdd
cheap case and PSU
cheap keyboard and mice
logitech rumble pad 2

total: ~450e. All is new and warrantied.
It runs everything in 1080p on max or high details and everything runs above 30fps, everything looks better than on $ony or m$ xblock. It can play ALL movies, music etc. It's hooked to a 40" LCDTV. So take your consoles and stick them were the Sun doesn't shine. :P They are just overpriced plastic crap that suck your money via overpriced games.

Deal with it.

Sabot(04:42 PM CET - Mar,13 2012 )
Look i aint going on and on about this, PC or console doesn't matter. To play on PC it requires an internet connection. This was fucking ALIEN when HL2 first came out, it was like "WTF i can't play this pc game before ACTIVATING it????"
Forums FULL of angry punters who couldn't activate because the system had crashed or owners that just DIDN'T have an internet connection.
It never worked for me and i had to wait nearly 2 days to activate.
Point is it is NORMAL now for nigh on every PC game to have an internet connection to bloody play it- LEGALLY.
Security is for for blu-Ray on PS3 and blu-ray players. I have 2 dedicated blu-ray players in my house and they automaticaly update firmware. They don't play games obviously.
Same shit that M$ shovel out for their OS or devs churn out for their games on PC. I honestly don't see why you can't understand it? It's soo obvious the connection between the two formats.
I grew out of the playground, "my toy is better than yours", and would rather talk about the bonus that hardware has in MY life and how it makes it more enjoyable etc.
I couldn't give a flying fuck about resolution or frame rate, as long as the game is GOOD, and isn't full of shit failed boasts, be it on 3DS,PSP,PS3 or PC. All of which i own.
This about a conversation, of sorts, about blatant denial that the PC is something that works out the box and plays games -which it doesn't, without the obligatory patches for hardware (drivers), OS (service packs, security etc) and games. Not to mention that you MUST meet minimum specs to play the game in the first place.
It's a constant cycle. You talk rubbish, it needs baby-sat. It's mish-mash of hardware fighting to work with each other internally. it's not optimised and can't be. That's why games come with OPTION SLIDERS -to fit with the conundrum inside.
The consoles play games, films -3D/Blu-ray/DVD etc. With the minimum of fuss and NO FURTHER OUTLAY-regardless of stone-age opinions of some people here. That is what the main onus is about.
To think they produce excellent visual games like ME3, Two Worlds II, Batman Arkham City on 256mb internal and 256mb graphic, Even in 3D. it's nothing short of amazing! That is true optimisation and shows what a cash-cow the PC is.
Sure graphics are sharper and it's smoother on PC but it's NOT worth the hardware price tag in a million years.
Shows how young you are, for example in XP you used to 'clean boot' regularly to unload the bloat to play games best that you could. This was the norm btw.
Anyway, enough said.
It shows such insecurity when folks attack consoles when ever PCs are mentioned. They don't affect your real life do they? Why the annimosity??

I used to be in that boat years ago. Fuck i'm a millionaire now that i binned upgrading and spending thousands per year on my PC addiction.
Here's some facts for you what my hobby used to cost me 20+years ago:
256mb EDO RAM cost me 400
a matrox mystique 4mb cost 140
a x4 DVD writer cost 220
Processors were upgraded annualy along with more RAM then every two years was a system build.
You get fuck-all back on selling second hand HW.

The PC is like a cigarette addiction, you can't be without it and you always need the next HW fix to talk about FPS or graphics.
It's a topic for a lonely forum world.. No one today gives a fuck about PC gaming. It's tablets,phones, hand helds and consoles.
No one gives a shit about how a PS3 or XBox works, as long as you buy a game, play instantly against millions around the world for an hour or with your mates, then fuck off down the pub for a drink and then back for a movie or more gaming on them.
That's facts

If i attack 20 enemy on the screen in a game on PS3, your going to attack the SAME 20 enemy on PC, yet it costs hundreds more for you to play that same game.
It's pathetic if you ask me.
Here's an editable list of games on console(s) that run @60fps
http://www.giantbomb.com/60-fps-on-consoles/92-3223/

FYI, since a PC isn't stable in performance, it will output a VARIABLE fps on many different configs -obviously. It can peak at several hundred fps but drop to double figures just as easily. So PCs can't be quoted as running at over 60fps as a whole. since hardware and the game will dictate that.
I would rather have stability over that choice.
Also to play fast gaming requires a very good TV. No point outputting 200fps when your TV is running 60Hz,120Hz and it's 5-8ms responce. The lag will be crap.
I have a plasma outputting 600Hz since it doesn't require LCDs to switch on/off it's perfect for fast PC or console gaming in standard and 3D.
It also has frame-creation mode, this buffers out broadcast tv,games,films and presents them in a fluid LIVE (as if it was filmed live as if it was happening in front of your eyes) Suffers ZERO flicker/tearing no lag and zero 3D cross-talk and 60fps per eye on active glasses.

Sooo much more to gaming than just an impotent word called PC, as always.

gx-x(05:25 PM CET - Mar,13 2012 )
well, then we agree to disagree I guess. I don't have SP1 for windows 7, I don't use stupid updates, just those that I see that I might need (and that's rarely the case), I don't update GPU drivers (or GPU) every time there is a new one available (if it ain't broken - don't fix it!) and I guess I almost always play pirated games so I don't have problems with activation or other shit. Funny, I play pirated games mostly BECAUSE all of that crap in the first place.
Also, PC ain't a console. You need to meet min. requirements to play games. Those are usually set so low that even if you do meet them barely you might not even be able to enjoy the game. But at least YOU CAN upgrade unlike the console. And it doesn't cost much to upgrade to a decent level of performance that can last for years. If you don't care about resolution and graphics as long as the game is good, then apply the same standards when it comes to PC gaming. Get a 50$ GPU and play games in 1024x768, that's what PS3 and X-Box usually internally render, and even nVidia gts240 can handle that without a sweat.
But the problem here is obviously with people having different standards when they talk about PC gaming and console gaming. Consoles are good, nothing matters, who cares, but on PC, oh boy, you need 400$ GPU, 500$ CPU etc. Ultimate hypocrisy.

Sabot(05:59 PM CET - Mar,13 2012 )
gx-x> I guess I almost always play pirated games so I don't have problems with activation or other shit. Funny, I play pirated games mostly BECAUSE all of that crap in the first place.

Well that certainly hardly made the conversation level then did it? Since you are screwing PC devs amongst others -hence why you never installed security updates or patches for games, as it would kill your illegal gaming.....
At least i have always supported gaming in all formats, if i buy a PC today i expect to support the hobby too! Likewise i own various gaming devices and support them because i want to and can.
If i buy a Ferrari, then i expect to pay for tyres and servicing and not fit cheap tyres and get it serviced at the garage on the corner.
You've made a fool of this whole topic and boasted about it like you supported it, instead your a hypocite...

quote:
Also, PC ain't a console. You need to meet min. requirements to play games. Those are usually set so low that even if you do meet them barely you might not even be able to enjoy the game. But at least YOU CAN upgrade unlike the console.


You don't need to upgrade a console that's the reason for owning a console, all games are optimised and guaranteed to run on it. Obvious...one price and instant gaming. duh!

quote:
But the problem here is obviously with people having different standards when they talk about PC gaming and console gaming. Consoles are good, nothing matters, who cares, but on PC, oh boy, you need 400$ GPU, 500$ CPU etc. Ultimate hypocrisy.


You said it :roll:

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DICETINY: The Lord of the Dice Early Access - movie (Oct 26 2015)
DICE Addressing "Netcode" in Battlefield 4 - briefly (Mar 04 2014)
DICE Talks Battlefield 4 and PS4 Tech - tech (Nov 11 2013)
DICE - Battlefield 4 Netcode Issue is a Top Priority - briefly (Nov 08 2013)
DICE Claims That 15+ Titles Will Support Mantle - briefly (Oct 24 2013)
DICE: No mods for Battlefield 4 - briefly (Jun 14 2013)
DICE adding Color Grading Removal Tool - briefly (Oct 21 2012)
DICE Warns of Bans for BF3 Color Mod - briefly (Oct 04 2012)
DICE has lied to all gamers about BF3's mod tools - briefly (Aug 18 2012)
Battlefield 3 hackers go after DICE developers - briefly (Jan 13 2012)
DICE intensifies Battlefield 3 anti-cheat measures - briefly (Jan 12 2012)
DICE posts lists of possible future BF3 changes - briefly (Dec 10 2011)
DICE: Battlefield is unaffected by piracy - interview (Sep 14 2011)
DICE talks about BF3 vehicle customization - briefly (Sep 02 2011)
DICE on BF3 PC/Console Differences - briefly (Jul 27 2011)
DICE: Battlefield 3 too complex for mod tools - interview (Jul 06 2011)
DICE's new MP philosophy in Battlefield 3 - interview (Jun 30 2011)
DICE:BF3 will have the largest maps we've ever made - briefly (Apr 15 2011)
DICE reveals Battlefield 3 Limited Edition BF2 maps - briefly (Feb 25 2011)
Game Informer DICE Video Interview - interview (Feb 14 2011)
DICE on Bad Company 2 stats issues - briefly (Dec 30 2010)
DICE want to know your issues with Bad Company 2 - briefly (Jul 16 2010)
DICE: We'll never charge for Battlefield maps - interview (Mar 31 2010)
Bad Company 2 - Reported Issues Noted by DICE - briefly (Mar 24 2010)
DICE Hints at Dedicated Servers for Bad Company 2 - briefly (Oct 19 2009)
DICE: Battlefield Heroes Is 'Already Out' - movie (Aug 22 2008)
Gears of War 2 - DICE 2008: Cliffy B. Interview (video) - interview (Feb 26 2008)
DICE Buys Trauma Studios - briefly (Sep 01 2004)

related cheats/trainer:

DiceDeluxe v1.1 [trainer +1]
Dicefolk v1.0+ [trainer +6]
Dicey Dungeons [cheats]
Matches & Matrimony - A Pride and Prejudice Tale [cheats]
Matches & Matrimony - A Pride and Prejudice Tale [cheats]
Section 8: Prejudice [cheats]
Ten Thousand Dice v2.35.978 [trainer +1]


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