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Delivering Fast Boot Times in Windows 8 - tech
(hx) 10:50 PM CEST - Sep,09 2011 - Post a comment / read (37)
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last 10 comments:
amra(11:33 PM CEST - Sep,09 2011 )
I love marketing.

Apathy Curve(11:40 PM CEST - Sep,09 2011 )
Where have I heard this before?

Oh, that's right: Windows 7.

And Vista.

I'm sensing a pattern...

beqerel(12:22 AM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
Apathy Curve> Where have I heard this before?

Oh, that's right: Windows 7.

And Vista.

I'm sensing a pattern...

agree

also win 8 with ssd drives, 12cores ddr4 ram and nothing installed

Tom(12:25 AM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
Ya really but also you forgot it looks like shit.

darknothing(02:14 AM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
Looks like utter shit!!!! Wtf is this? A smart phone os?

Csimbi(03:21 AM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
Almost as good as Linux.
Oh, wait.
Linux loads a bunch of apps for me during the same amount of time.
This one (Windows 8 ), being a dumbisized Windows 7 for smartphones, does not load pretty much anything, merely a few services.
Of course it boots fast on a PC when it was designed for crappy ARM processors...
But, I am sure there are a lot of people out there who will believe anything you say. Starting with your management.

-=WolverinE=-(09:31 AM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
A friend of mine tried out the latest leak and said it boots up very fast (read faster than 7), though I doubt it's THIS fast...unless you have it on an SSD. He tested it on a regular SATAII drive.

gx-x(04:44 PM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
@csimbi:

My linux boots slower then win7, and I doubt yours boots under 4 seconds anyway but it's not that important since this marketing video has a laptop with SSD and a hibernation file ;)

Baconnaise(05:17 PM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
Yea two SSD striped and win7 boots pretty fast. XP64 boots hella fast too on this setup and I'm sure win95 or 98 would be godlike as well.

Tom(06:56 PM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
Probably the dumbest video promotion I ever saw.

Csimbi(07:36 PM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
@gx-x
Ubuntu 9.10 32bit
Intel celeron E3200
1G RAM
48Gig SSD
lousy Zotac ITX board
=> 8 secs from POST to XBMC ready.

Windows 7 x64 SP1
Intel 2500K
16G RAM
96Gig SSD
neat Asus ATX mobo
=> 10 secs from POST to desktop (at which point the hourwatch is still spinning, loading shit)

As you can clearly see, the hardware in case of the WinDOS PC should call for far better performance...

gx-x(08:26 PM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
yea, well, good luck with all those linux capabilities that load up under those 8 secs. :D I could care less if it loaded instantly since it doesn't support shitload of tools that windows supports and that I use everyday for work.

Besides, in the video in this article you can clearly see that after post (add a second or two after HP logo while device initialization is completed) there isn't even 5 seconds of load time. I doubt it is actuall load, like I said, probably hibernation file on SSD.

Baconnaise(10:31 PM CEST - Sep,10 2011 )
Does anyone really care if it takes five seconds or thirty seconds though? It really doesn't matter to me in the slightest. Work I don't care and at home even if it took five minutes I could go do something else. My damn new xfinity comcast box takes five minutes to power cycle and check for updates (talk about stepping backwards comcast).

amra(07:02 PM CEST - Sep,11 2011 )
@gx

If you have an accident with your car, would you say:
"Sorry the car made it!"?

So... if your software isn't supported on linux, this isn't linux' fault.
Don't blame linux for tools it doesn't have, cause developers don't write software for it.

Everybody can/should choose what fits for his needs.

gx-x(08:32 PM CEST - Sep,11 2011 )
amra> @gx

If you have an accident with your car, would you say:
"Sorry the car made it!"?

So... if your software isn't supported on linux, this isn't linux' fault.
Don't blame linux for tools it doesn't have, cause developers don't write software for it.

Everybody can/should choose what fits for his needs.

I didn't blame anyone. You got to understand (not just you) that linux and windows cannot be compared because they serve a different purpose. Linux speed vs windows speed comparison is as relevant as automobile versus boat comparison. One is good on water, other is good on road, neither is capable of both.

Csimbi(04:01 AM CEST - Sep,12 2011 )
gx-x> One is good on water, other is good on road, neither is capable of both.
I hope that is going to change eventually...
At least, nowadays there are Linux apps for nearly anything.
The only things missing for me are: Skype and gaming.
MS owns Skype so a Linux port will never come.
MS won't provide DirectX for Linux for sure and they do a very good job with their marketing crap (making sure everyone that matters think that OpenGL is no match for DirectX) thus keeping gaming stick to Windows.

Kompressor(07:08 AM CEST - Sep,12 2011 )
This is all we need is another sleep, standby, and hibernation mode variant.

Baconnaise(09:52 AM CEST - Sep,12 2011 )
Yea I'm getting tired of shutting off all the power saving bullshit.

amra(11:09 PM CEST - Sep,12 2011 )
quote:
I didn't blame anyone. You got to understand (not just you) that linux and windows cannot be compared because they serve a different purpose. Linux speed vs windows speed comparison is as relevant as automobile versus boat comparison. One is good on water, other is good on road, neither is capable of both.

Basically we both are singing from the same songsheet. You are violine and I'm bass. ;)
You assume that I don't know about their purpose and so on, but as I said and far more... that you work with windows and your wintools is more a fact of developing (of the tools you need for your work), not of the OS-based environment. Absolutly... both are different, but not like boat and car, more like electro- and conventional car, imho, depending on your focus to an OS.
The pc is the cardesign and construction, the OS is the engine. Of course you are allowed to compare them. But perhaps I missunderstood you.

gx-x(11:43 PM CEST - Sep,12 2011 )
amra> quote:
I didn't blame anyone. You got to understand (not just you) that linux and windows cannot be compared because they serve a different purpose. Linux speed vs windows speed comparison is as relevant as automobile versus boat comparison. One is good on water, other is good on road, neither is capable of both.

Basically we both are singing from the same songsheet. You are violine and I'm bass. ;)
You assume that I don't know about their purpose and so on, but as I said and far more... that you work with windows and your wintools is more a fact of developing (of the tools you need for your work), not of the OS-based environment. Absolutly... both are different, but not like boat and car, more like electro- and conventional car, imho, depending on your focus to an OS.
The pc is the cardesign and construction, the OS is the engine. Of course you are allowed to compare them. But perhaps I missunderstood you.

no, I cant compare them because linux doesn't have to load 100000 drivers to support every piece of crap hardware out there and 1000 that are going to come out, it doesn't need to support directX, nor the one million dollar industrial printer or any peripherals, you won't bitch about it when it doesn't support something because you don't even have to pay for it, and because of all that stuff it is very light, fast and boot's up quicker.
Call me when adobe releases photoshop or premiere for linux and then MAYBE we can talk about putting windows or OSX into same category with linux.
As it is now, they can be compared as much as (another one coming :D ) my nokia e51 vs HTC HD2. They are both phones alright, but my nokia e51 is faster...

Csimbi(05:07 AM CEST - Sep,13 2011 )
gx-x> no, I cant compare them because linux doesn't have to load 100000 drivers to support every piece of crap hardware out there and 1000 that are going to come out, it doesn't need to support directX, nor the one million dollar industrial printer or any peripherals, you won't bitch about it when it doesn't support something because you don't even have to pay for it, and because of all that stuff it is very light, fast and boot's up quicker.
Windows does not have to. But it does anyway.
Linux loads only what's actually needed.

gx-x(07:11 AM CEST - Sep,13 2011 )
Csimbi>
Windows does not have to. But it does anyway.
Linux loads only what's actually needed.

Ya, what linux THINKS it's needed. It may actually deviate from real needs. And windows doesn't actually load everything, it just has almost everything and loads the components that can load everything.

it's all good and fine with linux until you need something that is only available for OSX or Win, then it becomes pretty much useless and load times don't mean shit. Hell, even if you are a system administrator in a windows infested world linux can't be the only OS on your machine.

besides, you use windows almost all the time (i presume, since you are here on the gaming portal and linux doesn't do "much" games) so I don't really see the point in your persistence in some kind of defense of linux :S I personally couldn't care less for linux. I used it, I sometimes still use it for some really specific purposes, but I don't really care about it.
Win 7 is pretty much fine, idc what and how much stuff it loads (I can even control that) my 3 year old PC handles it with zero issues and it runs darn fast. Why should I care about boot time or how much stuff it loads?

amra(10:52 PM CEST - Sep,13 2011 )
quote:
no, I cant compare them because linux doesn't have to load 100000 drivers to support every piece of crap hardware out there and 1000 that are going to come out, it doesn't need to support directX, nor the one million dollar industrial printer or any peripherals, you won't bitch about it when it doesn't support something because you don't even have to pay for it, and because of all that stuff it is very light, fast and boot's up quicker.
Call me when adobe releases photoshop or premiere for linux and then MAYBE we can talk about putting windows or OSX into same category with linux.
As it is now, they can be compared as much as (another one coming :D ) my nokia e51 vs HTC HD2. They are both phones alright, but my nokia e51 is faster...

Hm, I'm for myself do spend a lot of time with searches for drivers for both linux and windows. Any Dell, HP or Intel-PC will need drivers for windows, if you install them with the std-ISO from MS.
For that thing I would say they are equal, you have std-HW no problem on both, the std-Install works pretty much.
The only difference I see is that the chance of finding a suitable driver is much higher for windows.
About Boot Times in my opinion anything under 1 minute is absolutly okay. This run for seconds is the same stupid run as they had for GHz.
Why anybody compares linux and windows in this is a mystery to me, but sure they can, I'll notice and have my own position.
What I'd like to see are comparisons of firefox and such under the different OSes.

I run windows for developing with .Net, linux for Java and webstuff, logically this means visiting this website isn't a valueable fact to analyze the users OS ;P

PS
quote:
you won't bitch about it when it doesn't support something because you don't even have to pay for it
You do like this? I'm bitching about it for sure, "why the hell this isn't supported!" old behavior from windows =)

gx-x(01:29 AM CEST - Sep,14 2011 )
well, my friend works in PC service and is specialized in Dell laptops (amongst other things) and I have seen many Dells and MSIs that you install win7 on and everything runs without any additional drivers except in some cases some usb hubs that contain integrated BT devices need special drivers that come with laptop's CD/DVD. Good luck finding that for linux :P

ofc, when I say windows NOW I mean windows 7, not windows 98 or XP. Even XP is still pretty solid considering it comes from m$ that manged to make even consoles that crash ^^

Csimbi(12:07 AM CEST - Sep,15 2011 )
gx-x> besides, you use windows almost all the time (i presume, since you are here on the gaming portal and linux doesn't do "much" games) so I don't really see the point in your persistence in some kind of defense of linux :S I personally couldn't care less for linux. I used it, I sometimes still use it for some really specific purposes, but I don't really care about it.
Yes on my main PC.
No specific reason to defend Linux but I have two Linux boxes (a server and a desktop) so when somebody goes on claiming that they created something that provides superior boot times, then I feel obligated to correct them because I've seen that there are faster ways to boot.
Linux does not need defense, rather, support from the software houses...

BTW, I think Windows 7 sucks just the same in the driver department just as XP and Win98. It's just not an issue on older hardware because those drivers are integrated, so you won't notice the need... until you buy new hardware... plus, enforcement of the driver signing policy is a major pain because it does not let you develop your own. Sure, I understand the reason for dummies, but I do not understand why pros need to suffer...

gx-x(02:44 AM CEST - Sep,15 2011 )
Csimbi> gx-x> besides, you use windows almost all the time (i presume, since you are here on the gaming portal and linux doesn't do "much" games) so I don't really see the point in your persistence in some kind of defense of linux :S I personally couldn't care less for linux. I used it, I sometimes still use it for some really specific purposes, but I don't really care about it.
Yes on my main PC.
No specific reason to defend Linux but I have two Linux boxes (a server and a desktop) so when somebody goes on claiming that they created something that provides superior boot times, then I feel obligated to correct them because I've seen that there are faster ways to boot.
Linux does not need defense, rather, support from the software houses...

BTW, I think Windows 7 sucks just the same in the driver department just as XP and Win98. It's just not an issue on older hardware because those drivers are integrated, so you won't notice the need... until you buy new hardware... plus, enforcement of the driver signing policy is a major pain because it does not let you develop your own. Sure, I understand the reason for dummies, but I do not understand why pros need to suffer...

ok, first, driver signing is a two click off option, it's not a feature set in stone. Second: I told you already, that boot time in this video is less then 4 seconds, but it's also booting into nothing or it's using a hyberfil file and an SSD, in witch case I could boot win7 in aprox the same time.

edit: pros in my department (design) would suffer on linux, it would be a living hell of the worst kind. To each his own...

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Csimbi(07:17 PM CEST - Sep,15 2011 )
gx-x> ok, first, driver signing is a two click off option, it's not a feature set in stone.
I am not sure where you are getting your information, I wish that was true.
The only way I can get it to work is tapping F8 during boot and changing the regular boot.

gx-x(07:49 PM CEST - Sep,15 2011 )
Csimbi> gx-x> ok, first, driver signing is a two click off option, it's not a feature set in stone.
I am not sure where you are getting your information, I wish that was true.
The only way I can get it to work is tapping F8 during boot and changing the regular boot.

http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/06/disable-driver-signing-in-windows-7-using-group-policy-editor/

;)

or
quote:

1. Go to Start menu and type cmd.exe in the Search Bar and press Enter. (Remember you must be logged on as Administrator)
2. Now type the following and press Enter:
Code:

bcdedit.exe -set loadoptions DDISABLE_INTEGRITY_CHECKS
bcdedit.exe -set TESTSIGNING ON

3. Restart your computer


This will disable your Windows 7 driver signing.

Csimbi(05:30 AM CEST - Sep,16 2011 )
@gx-x
That does not allow that - I mean, you read the at least the first comment in the article you linked, right?

I can give you links how borked it is.
http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic127187.html
or:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprohardware/thread/9b6eee60-855d-47cc-9927-acae3fb6f971/

Nothing, nada.
It's a cashcow for MS, so why would be so dumb to give it up? 200 bucks every time you want to sign a driver...

Koogle(07:58 AM CEST - Sep,16 2011 )
I don't believe I've said anything here.. oh yeah that was why...

Amra: I love marketing.

I like absolutely nothing about this metro square corner shit, and classic desktop Aero theme has been butchered to look even worse.. how the fuck, did they sack the previous UX designers... I was hoping another 3years they might have finally gotten Win8 looking decent.. instead complete reverse.

Absolutely nothing from http://www.windows7taskforce.com/ seems to have been acknowledged.. they haven't even got a dx12 to pull out out their ass, infested live gamer shit ain't going to work. The Explorer file manager and ribbon bar ain't going to hold up, hardly an improvement to it, and they're turning the OS into a fucking tablet of noobfail.

Faster boot up ...who gives a shit, I don't even use the hiberfile and that's a requirement for this win8 faster bootup. Otherwise its only a marginal improvement on Win7, in how they are showing it anyway. How it actually works out when you want it booting up straight to the classic desktop environment compared to Win7 who knows, one thing is for they better make sure all this infested cloud, metro web consumer dummIEs browsing shit doesn't try to snivel out into the classic desktop shell and through infested background services/network etc.

Bumped into this aswel, so true:

gx-x(03:04 PM CEST - Sep,16 2011 )
Csimbi> @gx-x
That does not allow that - I mean, you read the at least the first comment in the article you linked, right?

I can give you links how borked it is.
http://www.techspot.com/vb/topic127187.html
or:
http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/w7itprohardware/thread/9b6eee60-855d-47cc-9927-acae3fb6f971/

Nothing, nada.
It's a cashcow for MS, so why would be so dumb to give it up? 200 bucks every time you want to sign a driver...

It seems that I have no idea what are you trying to do. I always disable UAC, DEP and I can install un-signed drivers. I don't know what you are trying to do but these things work for me every time, all the time :)

Csimbi(10:06 PM CEST - Sep,16 2011 )
@Koogle
Great pic! Sums up WinDOS devolution very well.
In case you have not noticed, WinDOS comes with have a pretty decent command line interfaces nowadays...

@gx-x
I suppose the drivers you are trying to install are not kernel-mode drivers...
Must be audio, video or similar drivers.
If you don't know about it, don't sweat it; be happy that you do not have to deal with this :-)

(10:46 PM CEST - Sep,16 2011 )
haha GREAT PICS!! :D

gx-x(10:50 PM CEST - Sep,16 2011 )
Csimbi> @Koogle
Great pic! Sums up WinDOS devolution very well.
In case you have not noticed, WinDOS comes with have a pretty decent command line interfaces nowadays...

@gx-x
I suppose the drivers you are trying to install are not kernel-mode drivers...
Must be audio, video or similar drivers.
If you don't know about it, don't sweat it; be happy that you do not have to deal with this :-)

well, yea, display (can't install monitor driver if I don't turn that UAC off), audio (not anymore), and that's about that. I have a scanner (imaging device) driver that is not supported by win7 that I managed to install and the rest is pretty much all signed and regular (I am not building custom equipment and writing drivers for it :D )

but you got me interested, can you give me an example of something that wouldn't install? The boot thing that you do SHOULD be the same as the steps I gave links to and I needed to do that F8 thing until I did those things (to install custom driver for my monitor) that I gave links to, no I don't need to F8 boot to install that driver...

Csimbi(04:08 AM CEST - Sep,17 2011 )
@gx-x
PM sent.

amra(10:01 PM CEST - Sep,19 2011 )
quote:

PostPosted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 11:58 pm Post subject:
I don't believe I've said anything here.. oh yeah that was why...

Amra: I love marketing.

No need to hold yourself back because of me Koogle ;)
Perhaps it wasn't that clear, so... this was sarcasm. I believed not a piece of
what I saw, anybody with 50 common cents brain would recognize this as
what it is... fake, you would call it perhaps "utter crapshit" or something like this, but I'm not a man of drastic words. =P
Btw nice pics ;)

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