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66% Of All Windows Users Still Use Windows XP? - tech
(hx) 01:15 AM CEST - Oct,06 2010 - Post a comment / read (32)
According to this article, almost 66% of all Windows users are still on Windows XP!
It is no secret that Windows users have learned that change is something Windows computers don’t like. Often, it is much easier to leave the Windows version that came with a PC as it was and avoid the pain of upgrading. Vista may have been an exception as the operating system itself was worth the extra pain (or not), while Windows XP was a solid software that works well for the majority of computer users worldwide even today.

New market share data recently released by Net Applications puts XP’s market share at 60.03%, down from 60.89% in the month before. Windows Vista fell from 14.00% to 13.35%, while Windows 7 gained 1.25 points to 17.10%. It is interesting to see that Vista and XP lost a combined 1.51 points in September: The difference between the gain of 7 and the loss of Vista/XP represents 100% of the Windows market share loss, which was down 0.25 points to 91.08% in September.

Since the launch of Windows 7 in October 2009, the operating system was able to post a net gain of market share in only three months, according to Net Applications, and was hit with a net market share loss of 1.44 points over the past 11 months. If we believe the data published by Net Applications, then Windows 7 has not been able to stop the market share bleeding of Windows, even if it has slowed a bit: In the past 9 months, Windows lost only 0.92 points, while Windows lost 1.14 points in the 9 nine months directly preceding the launch of Windows 7.
last 10 comments:
nb411(03:12 AM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
Oh gods, don't let koogle see this. :P

Koogle(05:04 AM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
:lol: I was gonna leave it alone, but the bait is waiting :P

Tip to Microsuck, sack your 'Explore shell' team or the idiots in your board rooms in charge of designing and dumbing the OS down for the noob market, as they are part of biggest reason Vis7a fails (other than to noobs who get confused and frightened by features/options and customization and like the dumbing down). Many crap changes and half assed efforts, zero real improvement. Better fucking free extensions and apps that offer more features and improvements of existing Windows/XP stuff , than the shitty effort done by MS and all the thousands of employees it has, after years of what I can only assume is twiddling there thumbs and doing pretty much fuck all for all those years it was in development.

And upgrading just for Dx11(another sly tactic used to force upgrades) is just stupidly pointless when so much else about Win7 is just dumb and worse than XPsp3/x64.

Anyway out of that 66% I'm probably the small minority of pc user who doesn't use the latest and shittest OS with new pc hardware. That FailAreo GUI alone is a waste of a hardware resources.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay-gqx18UTM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToFgYylqP_U

Still good thing a lot of businesses haven't buckled under the marketing crap and sly rip off licensing deals to invest in a vis7a OS that does fuck all to improve desktop workflow or anything for that matter that make it worth more money than XP. They should be holding out for a cheap XP license (easy to see why MS wants to remove it and have people buy Win7 and upgrade to XP instead (which should be on the market for less, if Win7 is really that much better/ lolNOT) XP makes a total joke out of Win7, which is only promoted by fanboytards and clueless IT admin diptshits etc oh and web developers who hate IE6 for obvious reasons, but it has nothing to do with XP, and more to do with business that fail to just change the default browser or upgrade the dummIEs browser, both of which don't cost nothing to do, expect for the silly businesses that had bespoke software designed for them that was built around Microsucks propriety api's.

raven99(07:43 AM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
Ah Koogle you can always count on an idiot conspiracy comment from him.

(10:51 AM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
Considering Windows XP is still a solid OS, that figure isn't surprising. Apart from the security implications and its lack of more modern performance and usability features, Windows XP is damn usable for corporate environment. Most my customers still have Windows XP SP3.

Yeah the new OS's are great and outperform their aging counterparts, but it comes at a price.

Just for fun, here's a list of features removed in Windows 7
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_7

Baconnaise(12:00 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
I haven't noticed a difference using XP or Win7. My XP64 machines boot and shut down as fast or slightly faster than Win7. The major difference I have noticed is one has a smaller footprint and the other has a much larger footprint on my hard drives and disks. I will say XP64 has better driver support than it's first year of release. The amount of support is still rather light for my tastes though.

tride(12:26 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
Actually Koogle i read you comment and don't see anything specific about how WinXP is better than Win7 ?
I was WinXP user after Vista came out and when i installed Vista, after a couple of months my C: drive had mysteriously lost 30gb... Then i swiched back to XP.
When Win 7 came out i gave it a try. The new interface was sooo shity that i get rid of it and made it look like WinXP. So, now its more than 2 years that i have this RC1 version, and i have nooo problems what so ever!
Its really stable, has no issues at all with my old hardware. My PC is like 3years, some parts even older :roll: I dont have USB2 ffs...

So, really cant get this winning about Win7 :roll:
Vista was crap, but cmon dude - its the way Microshit works, in cycles.
Win 93-ok
Win95-ok
Win98-not ok, SP2-ok
WinMillenium - fakin piece of trash :lol:
WInXP-ok
WinVista-piece of crap
Win7-ok
Skip the next one :lol:

psolord(02:26 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
I've used most home oriented OSes from MS and I have to say that XP and 7 where the best.

Vista sucked so much balls that itss unbelievable until today. Thankfully all that is long gone.

I consider 7 to be the epitomy of XP and Vista.

Still, we use three XP machines at work and one 7 (mine :P). No need to upgrade until our main management program demands a new OS.

Koogle(08:00 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
"Apart from the security implications and its lack of more modern performance and usability features"

good thing you didn't mention GUI

XPsp3/64 still pisses all over that Winshi7e/vis7a rebranded garbage, XP still has far better shell extensions, much better performance, unhindered by a retarded shell changes that make the defaulty luna and xp shell look like something designed for professionals(at least it has better themes), unlike that crap shi7e, where the idea of theme is some color change and some laughable transparency shit for its retarded UX/UI design. While on my fully customized XP setup I have a far far far better looking visual style theme!!! (yes a theme not that pathetic dumbed shit MS has got away with changing) and it pisses all that FAIL AERO GUI crap and its shit explorer shell!, which looks like it was designed(I mean dumbed down) for fucking sheep, who get confused by settings, customization and decent functionality, or even expect any improvements in os dialogs, and existing features, that have been the same for 8+years, but are easily pleased with weak as piss shit like dx11, and other pathetic frivolous crap that is of no benefit use or improvement to anyone but a clueless retard(oh IT admintards). Who surprisingly wouldn't know what a fucking workflow improvement or intuitive design was about or what it meant to user efficiency if it hit em over the head repeatedly. No wonder Microsuck get noobs to test their products, its soo much easier to sell them shit, and in a few years sell them some slighty changed shit again while bundling it other crap you don't need, cough Vista> 7 .... Vis7eeergh


And what modern performance lol? you're kidding right? I use oc i7 with 6gb ram(2gb used as a ramdisk(hardly ever restart) and 3.24gb actual usable ram) on XP because I get better performance and worlkflow than using that win7 shit, and when I do want to fully utilize the 6gb for rendering I just switch to xp64, because win7 64 is still the same total noob trash I just can't be bothered with forcing myself to use such poorly developed shit I can't stand. It does have slower desktop performance (when I use production software that fully utlizes the gfx card the last thing I want is some not only shitty looking explorer shell gui wanting gfx resources, but I don't want to have to disable the failaero looking crap and use its even more shitted up classic windows style, because they've fucked up the explorer beyond repair that I might aswel just use xp, and the classic shell, because the enhanced visual themes on XP do look better and don't waste resources) . And I can't strrees enough how crappy the explorer shell is on vis7a, just look at the fucking oversized dialogs and setting windows, nothing but empty wasted gui space obviously designed by a Microsuck committee of retards. While XP still has loads more extension support to improve it (notice the LACK of developers doing anything to improve winshite7).

And it has countless reported issues with audio handling (Audiodg.exe notice XP doesn't need no stinking CPU bound process for handling audio) because of the stupid changes in the audio stack of it being less hardware accelerated regardless of proper audio hardware in the machine.

Another problem with the stupid design changes in vis7a is that DPClatency is a problem that can effects all idiots using vis7a OS, where as XP users on the same hardware will never notice any side effects. Not to mention multitasking with a handling lots more windows on screen is also faster thanks to not using that stupidly shit and unfinished WDDM 1.1 crap, that was clearly rushed through right from vista. Maybe in Win8 after Microsuck has had a couple of years for a mass idiots to buy into supporting 2 previous shit vis7a OS's, will the changes they introduced into the core of windows system, finally start to benefit actual users. Instead of causing countless fuckups and bugs for people wanting a productive desktop environment to work with. Basically not your stupid office drones and clueless IT fanboy dipshits working with crappy Office software and just being shit heads basically (the kind of people who really won't see anything better win7 other than flashy shinny transparent crap of failaero design) Now anyone left wanting to have a laugh at win7 fail security/firewall features, and fail system utilities, just so many areas of poorly developed win7 Microshite to laugh at really :D But hey they must be getting the biggest laugh at consumers and business actually buying (forced) and supporting that pathetic junk that hardly improved shit all(infact worse), I just laugh at people who want the latest security updates(lol yes because you're so stupid you'll likely install a virus, MS thanks all noobs for allowing them to update and monitor your pc with their shit)).

The entire OS wastes more CPU cycles doing fuck all, when XP shows the opposite, the benchmarks prove it. The only cases where Win7 gains a tiny advancement performance(wow after 8+years they could eek a some performance at what cost eh :D) doesn't make up for the rest of fucked up design retardation that makes your stupid comment about usability features (for NOOBS and knob ends) a fucking joke, that is just waiting for me shit all over. Care to tell me what the usability feature is that you so proudly think of that is unique to Winshite 7? And has clearly improved your worlflow Is it win7 shite fail explorer search and its crappy management? there is something better to replace that. taskbar? lol

"Yeah the new OS's are great and outperform their aging counterparts"

lolnot, if you're serious what planet are you on? you can't be talking about vis7a that's for sure.

"Actually Koogle i read you comment and don't see anything specific about how WinXP is better than Win7 ? 2

Tride that is because you must be blind?, check the youtube vids for a start, I just read your comment and saw even less that was specific to how Winshite7 is better than WinXP (the professional OS) And while I do agree with ok /crap list, Win7 is not ok (maybe for most people, sure, who would otherwise need it explaining as to why its so crap and how it should have been better, and how they've been duped) so when you really get down to it, it is still vista crap with vista issues.

Anyway the biggest problem Win7 is the total lack of any improvement to explorer.exe shell, and there are still countless issues with the numerous extra background processes win7 runs that Xp doesn't have!

In the end the ONLY thing Win7 has to offer is dx11, fuck all else, everything it does have is inferior shit to what anyone with brain and some taste, can just get better stuff on XPsp3/64 instead. Anyone who talks about performance improvements has their head fully lodged up their ass while drinking down the MS koolaid of lies and marketing garbage because they won't want to hear of all countless issues and facts of Win7 failing to be better than an OS that is going past 10years old. I only ever jump ship when things are better elsewhere, right now that ain't going to be win7, even its upcoming service pack does fuck all to improve what its biggest flaws are.

"Ah Koogle you can always count on an idiot conspiracy comment from him."

what was that then? Mr idiotic shit head raven99? You sound like the countless retards who call everything a conspiracy if it doesn't fit their ill-logical ideology of bullshit they are determined to believe in, regardless of how its ripped apart and exposed for the crap and/or lies that its built up on. Now fuck off or come back with something meaningful for me rip into or agree with(highly doubtful).

"I consider 7 to be the epitomy of XP and Vista. "

I consider it to be a a half a step forward and big sidestep into cow poo for a decade that is pathetic. Vista was years overdue, 7 was 3years(or about 2months of actual work and lots of beta's to attract gullible idiots into thinking their helping) ontop of ironing out stupid vista shit, but they still did pretty much fuck all really. Looking at the time line of what has actually happened XP is the epitomy of vista and 7. Because in the time Microsoft had its thumbs up its ass doing fuck all decent other than thinking of ways of forcing users/business off XP, most developers had continued to just work on supporting and improving things for XP.

It is partly why XP still has a userbase of ~66%, its MS biggest competition outside of lame crap like OSX(which is probably right on par for junk like win7, Apple should be thanking MS for dumbing its own OS down and evening out the playground of competition, even Linux and its minefield of various distros must be happy)

Tom(08:57 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
This guy knows jack shit and provides no sources. Here is a reputable site where most pull their numbers from, except for this nobody Wolfgang obviously (his numbers are like 6+ months old :roll: )... http://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10

And no duh there are a lot of Windows XP users LOL! Businesses alone make up much of the marketshare numbers.. :roll: M$ is happy in that Windows 7 has surpassed the Vista #'s and M$ is happy that XP is continually going down. MS also claims to have sold nearly 180million Win7 licenses.. which ain't too shabby.

I think XP is/was a great OS but I got bored of it myself. To me it's for those who are a little slow on PC's and technology. I like to stay on top of things and run with current shit, not dated old pieces of shit like XP. Do I miss anything in XP? Nope. Not one thing. XP could never handle the amount of apps and games I had on my system. It would need to be rebooted every few weeks. Win 7? I can't even remember the last time I had to reboot. It never slows down.

I ran with Vista 64bit before Win7 and I have to admit it sucked initially but if you really knew what you were doing you could get it to work well. I did. So I went from XP to Vista 64bit to Windows 7 64bit and I seriously do not ever see myself going back to XP or Vista. Windows 7 is definitely a keeper for me. I use XP in the office because I really have no choice.

Csimbi(09:35 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
I use XP, Ubuntu on my PC and there's 7 on my wife's laptop (it came with it).
XP is solid, and it works flawlessly. Why break it when it works?
Windows 7 is good for my wife - she is less likely to "catch" a virus with all those stupid authorization popups and she can click on those five-six icons on the desktop just the same as in XP.

An "XP to 7" upgrade for an administrator in a corporation spells nothing but trouble, so they need a very good reason for upgrading the OS - and XP is a good OS, so there's no compelling reason to do so.

It seems Windows 7 is not going to be the next big thing - so what? They are sitting on a pile of money, so they do not need to care. I guess MS will rethink it only when their income starts decreasing.
My worry is this: Stevo said he wants more frequent WinDOS releases. If they did that, the market would be very segmented and software houses would be in trouble supporting all the junk labeled as "OS". Just look at Vista vs. WinDOS 7. So, Stevo had an idea, but it was a bad one. He's getting old and senile, what did you expect? Get over it - you still have XP.

When MS is talking about sales, its talking about licenses. That 180million is not too shabby, but it includes vendors, corporations, schools that buy licenses in 5k, 10k or even 100k volumes, so do not think - even for a second - that there are 180million WinDOS 7 users out there. If I had to guess, I would estimate 60-80million real users (who chose to use WinDOS 7 themselves), most of that residing in the US and the majority being noobs. (People in the US are easier to feed with false advertisements. Inexperienced people - especially elderly people - believe anything they hear.) Oh, and I would not be surprised if 10-15% of those users would be using XP actually, despite of having the license to WinDOS 7.

Koogle(10:13 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
"This guy knows jack shit and provides no sources"

I am a fucking source asshole, and the internet has enough sources to prove the points I have made! aerotaskforce.com for one. You seem to be the one who knows jack shit and wants to spread FUD on XP while making out Win7 is cutting edge.. yeah a cutting edge shite pile for enthusiast noobs and the more polity put 'casual users' :) Not productive people or enthusiasts who like decent features and good design.

"Not one thing. XP could never handle the amount of apps and games I had on my system. "

LoL? wtf... what kind of fail logic is that? did getting a bigger harddrive you bought with your bundled win7 system finally allow you to install more games and apps?

Or are you really blaming an OS for not being able to run more apps and games? Are you seriously fucking telling me that Win7 on the same hardware you used with XP, has allowed you to do and run more stuff at once? rofl You're a fucking lying marketing douche bag and an idiot in that case. Win7 can't run as many resource hungry apps/games at the same time or as performant as XP can.... partly because of its fail desktop composition crap (Failareo again). Its not better at all, in most cases worse and every other case very much on par, proving that hardware is the underlying factor, at least when its not hindered by shit OS flaws and bugs.. no surprise then.

"180million Win7 licenses.. which ain't too shabby. "

Microsuck thanks dumb fucking sheep herders like you Tom, I'm glad someone is supporting such scumopolies and dirty licensing tactics to boost its selling of its crap OS. I wonder how many business reverted back to using XP after being coerced into buying a Win7 license :twisted:

"To me Win7 is for those who are a little slow on PC's and technology. "

I've rephrased your nonsense so its more in line with actual reality and how the opposite of what crap you say, is being proven more true daily lol! :D

"Win 7? I can't even remember the last time I had to reboot. It never slows down. "

That is because it slow by useless gui/ux design already noob. You're also lying again because Win7 does have to restarted just like XP when installing new shit/drivers etc, again its core architecture hasn't really improved over XP at all, so how can it be better. eer it can't durr!

"It never slows down. "

:S Win7 still uses a registry, everything that could slow down XP in start up times etc will slow down Win7, you're reasoning is flawed. There ain't shit in Win7 that has really improved that a user of XP couldn't find better replacements to use instead.

koogle always ready to debunk idiots one at time.

Baconnaise(11:16 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
If we are going to gripe about design and performance than I want my Novell back :).

Tom(11:55 PM CEST - Oct,06 2010 )
Oh Koogle the carpet muncher is here... Sorry Koogle I didn't read anyones rants except this severely dated news article written by a complete nobody that has data that is +6 months old.

boringly I will address your verbal trash..

quote:
"I am a fucking source asshole"

- You are, a source of shit Koogle. You say it yourself.
- aerotaskforce.com antiquated shit site that isn't even supported anymore, who gives a shit what's on there. It's always been a site for whiny ass idiots. Figures you go there. I'm not surprised.
- lastly, like I said above, I didn't read anyones comments so my comments weren't directed at anyone or in response to anyones. They were just my opinion. I didn't have time to read a bunch of misinformed peoples posts.. notably yours Koogle.

quote:
LoL? wtf... what kind of fail logic is that? did getting a bigger harddrive you bought with your bundled win7 system finally allow you to install more games and apps?

Ho ho ho.. boy what a funny guy, try 112 games, and 60 apps on average, Apache/SQL/PHP server. Yep it slowed down, disk thrashed like hell after about a week. A reboot always fixed it. Windows 7 doesn't do it, I haven't rebooted in over a month or whenever the last update was...I still run the same apps I did in XP with no noticeable slowdown. A million people have had this gripe about XP, it's a known problem dickslap. I code in VB and VC, I map, I model in maya, I photoshop, I run a community web site and I video phone with google and yes, I stream media throughout the day to my PS3. I don't do jack with my PC? Again, dickslap you don't know jack of what I do. All you do is run a gay porn server and play shit old games on a 4x3 shit CRT where clearly the radiation emitting from your CRT has melted your already too small brain.

quote:
That is because it slow by useless gui/ux design already noob. You're also lying again because Win7 does have to restarted just like XP when installing new shit/drivers etc, again its core architecture hasn't really improved over XP at all, so how can it be better. eer it can't durr!


As I said above, windows updates that may require updates. I have had no driver updates. My current uptime is actually 87 days and I have 3 updates waiting to be installed. XP slowed down period while using it. Of course you area slow to begin with Koogle so you probably wouldn't notice. Plus, I actually use my PC more than you who just cruises gay porn sites. I even used to remote connect to it from my PS3 when I had the other OS feature and I remote connect to it from my netbook all the time when I need things done more quickly. I could never do what I do now on Win7 when I was on WinXp, something always bogged the system down and I pretty much had to reboot XP at least every week. Not at all the same with Win7.


quote:

Win7 still uses a registry, everything that could slow down XP in start up times etc will slow down Win7, you're reasoning is flawed.

No fucking duh, but they are completely different OS's and you clearly know jack shit about Win7. Lots of things have changed for the better in Win7. It has fundamentally different memory/disk and system management. Oh and despite a bunch of things loading up at boot, if I remember, my boot time is approx 35 seconds overall.

The only thing flawed here is you Koogle. You talk as always, from your ass. The guy who games on a 4x3 CRT. Woooooooo. I bet ya his mouse still has a ball in it too. :roll:

Koogle(02:21 AM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
Tom you shit head, you have to use lies and endless stupidity to prove nothing but how stupid you are being.

"lastly, like I said above, I didn't read anyones comments so my comments weren't directed at anyone or in response to anyones. "

:roll: nut job, you probably didn't read what I said to you in the last topic about 4x3 crt being a no brainer for playing fps games at 100hz/100fps.

"Ho ho ho.. boy what a funny guy, try 112 games, and 60 apps on average, Apache/SQL/PHP server. Yep it slowed down, disk thrashed like hell after about a week."

What a spastic... The-disk-thrashed-like-hell-after-about-a-week? rofl?!?! MS didn't do anything to change disk management and NTFS file handling. WinFS never made it their. Its memory management unsubstantial claims again.. there isn't some amazing better improvement, fuck even its page file usage isn't really better. And yet a shit head like you amazingly saw such a vast improvement. You are a classic case of a computer noob, "I made/ or had these series of changes to my setup and somehow everything was better, therefore it must have been this one thing(win7) that magically improved everything" wow with flawed reasoning like that you'll do great at advertising to other idiots.

"you clearly know jack shit about Win7."

:? oh you do make me laugh, I know what Win7 does and doesn't do better than you. It's why for me I still don't bother using it, until the balance tips in favor of using it (I can tell it will have nothing to do with MS useless efforts for win7), only then when its overall benefits provided by other developers overshadow the disadvantages and bridge over the flawed design will I use it. Basically I'm not a fanboy.

"- aerotaskforce.com antiquated shit site that isn't even supported anymore, who gives a shit what's on there. It's always been a site for whiny ass idiots."

-what a fucking ignorant retard (I bet you didn't even get past the first page of understanding why users would want such improvements to such requests lol) . Clearly it would be a total waste of time going on and proving how dumb your comments are, you'll just come back with more garbage and defamation of lies and bullshit to distract from the topic.

"I bet ya his mouse still has a ball in it too."

:roll: I still use a Logitech G5, quality mouse, new not always better imo. Still I'd imagine the next topic we have with you Tom, will have you shouting out I use a ball mouse :P Such a joker.

You must really go through life in biased arrogance... nuff said really. XP ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

Ceriden(02:33 AM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
It's too bad these forums don't have a moderator. Then maybe we could be free from both of you.

Penetreitor(04:33 AM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
I've switched to W7 recently and I'm still being uncomfortable with many features, but like the new appareance and speed.
New windows explorer looks like the Mac Finder, and it's almost totally unusable for people that WORKS with a computer, meanwile fancy MAC users enjoy "design" and "good looking", Windows users looks for productivity and compatibility with the millons of the PC applications.
So fighting to getting up to date I'm still searching for solutions to have a good explorer, a smart securuty softwares (ZoneAlarm don't work properly with W7, MalwareBytes works smoothly so far...)
Don't say a word about 64bits, PC is loosing positions in this area, it's ridiculous that after several years from 64bit technology, it's very difficult to find some drivers or compatible applications.
Hope it can be solved soon.

Ozieo(07:06 AM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
Koogle> I am old and frustrated.
Yep, correct !

Koogle(07:37 AM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
"It's too bad these forums don't have a moderator. Then maybe we could be free from both of you."

:cry: pfff... :lol: y'know there are plenty of other crap websites with full on modtarderation and censorship for you to go suck upto, like kotaku for a start, I'm sure your mentality will fit right in somewhere else if that is the case. Say what you want, but don't say anyone shouldn't be allowed to say anything or be around here. It's your right to be offended and look at things that way, but that's it.

"New windows explorer looks like the Mac Finder, and it's almost totally unusable for people that WORKS with a computer"

Exactly, and not just the file explorer, but the complete layout of core features like networking, control panels, etc beyond retarded. (I find the OSX Finder layout is even worse than Win7, MS would have done better not touching the explore shell at all instead of dumbing it down(well its at least had some slight improvement over vista not saying a lot)), So to me its the biggest reason why Win7 hasn't taken a bigger marketshare away from XP. Only one thing worse than not providing any real performance improvement, or enhancing features, and that's making changes that aren't really improving anything either. Different and transparent looking, but not better, even the default view of the win7 taskbar in phat ass noob icon view makes me laugh. Total noob fail design, but then I never was one to prefer grouped tasks (according to MS spy surveillance of beta testers, only ~10% ever disabled "Group similar taskbar buttons".. ya no shit, maybe because most never bothered to look for the option, and zero taskbar title info for running apps etc just stupid. It's like they designed Win7 for handicapped users in just about area.

Anyway far all its performance differences setbacks/slight improvements I could live with if it wasn't for the explorer shell itself being so absurdly awful, not just in looks but functionality. They hide the menubar by default so people don't realize just how fucking little they've done to improve anything behind what is seen on the surface. Even the command bar, is still not directly customizable. Just about everything about it is totally stupid and poorly developed. And no window title on top right of a window dialog, really dumb design, bad enough the useless shit breadcrumb bar(address bar replacement) doesn't offer anyway of making it less crap.

Anyway some of the best Explorer extensions like dmexbar, qttabbar, foldersize on XP work great, but for Win7 the support is hindered by some really crap roadblocks put in the way by those dumb fucks in MS explorer shell team throwing spanners in the way for developers(I guess they really don't want Win7 to be an XP years down the line, when they want to get everyone to buy its next OS release.

Still I do recommend http://qttabbar.wikidot.com/ (original developer went missing but still best for xp), For Win7 http://qttabbar.sourceforge.net/ notice the stupid vis7a explorer menu bar design forces all extensions and addons for the explorer filemanager to placed on that toolbar.. absolute fuck up design really, but hey at least you get the main feature enhancements qttabbar offers, screenshots don't really show it.

"meanwile fancy MAC users enjoy "design" and "good looking", "

yes its at least very consistent, which makes enhancing it much easier, same cannot be said for vis7a, redesigning it has just gotten to be a huge mess(even with tools like vistastylebuilder). It's why most the themes for win7 look like crap, of course even if they didn't still no changing the explorer shell layouts etc.

Koogle(07:42 AM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
Ozieo> Koogle> I am young and passionate.
Yep, correct !

Yup, it is now :D

Baconnaise(04:55 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
Penetreitor> I've switched to W7 recently and I'm still being uncomfortable with many features, but like the new appareance and speed.
New windows explorer looks like the Mac Finder, and it's almost totally unusable for people that WORKS with a computer, meanwile fancy MAC users enjoy "design" and "good looking", Windows users looks for productivity and compatibility with the millons of the PC applications.
So fighting to getting up to date I'm still searching for solutions to have a good explorer, a smart securuty softwares (ZoneAlarm don't work properly with W7, MalwareBytes works smoothly so far...)
Don't say a word about 64bits, PC is loosing positions in this area, it's ridiculous that after several years from 64bit technology, it's very difficult to find some drivers or compatible applications.
Hope it can be solved soon.

This is what turned me off of XP64 longer than what I expected at the time. Sadly I had to wait about a year or longer to even make it an option. It's annoying that I can't fully utilize what I paid for.

Applications have gotten better at supporting both but it's still more miss than hit. You still can't use a 64bit browser in many circumstances due to flash and other limitations still.

bgione(05:12 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
now that's funny, i remember people hating xp just after it's release, and what's even funnier, main gripes against it were "shitty shell" and "shitty performance", which really suffered because of drivers. not to mention that it wasn't too stable before SP2.

now, by no means do i see xp as a bad OS - it's been really amazing and even better after SP2, and i've been using it since its release. and here i'm using 7. is it better/worse? nope, it's the same - they have corrected many issues, left some of existing and of course created some new. it's clearly no revolution from xp - it's just an evolution. it's not even faster than xp (yup, not faster - but it keeps much more services running - nobody knows what for. even though, i think xp would choke on the same amount of services, really), but i'm not sure anybody expected magical +50% fps in games? even 2008server (R1), which is MUCH faster than xp despite beeing based on Vista's kernel, didn't provide any visible gaming benefits once configured to be able to run games. it's not really personalizable - but neither was xp without any explorer replacements or extensions. whatever, i prefer to work using my computer than making it pretty, i'm no Mac user. in my experience 7 is more stable - but on the other hand uses more resources. Aero look may or may not be to one's taste, but it's really fast on a decent graphics card - faster than basic. and it's as functional as xp once customized to one's tastes - starting layout is somewhat lacking and questionable (as Koogle said, hidden menubar). but of course there is always present user's inability to adapt to anything new - same as with xp.

it's no wonder 7 isn't growing it's market share so fast - xp was introduced in late 2001 and there wasn't any major release till Vista, it had huge amount of time to become prefered OS and grow userbase. 7 is on market for almost a year. and it's not like xp's road to power was stellar from the start (98 fanboys were acting like current xp fanboys). i'm attending tech university with IT faculty and i'm witnessing a growing trend to shift towards 7, be it in laboratories, on staff's computers and even student's (it doesn't apply to linux fanatics of course :lol: ). maybe things aren't looking that bad for 7 as people are making them look?

gx-x(05:52 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
well, for one, GUI IS slower in win7 compared to XP, just like those YT videos show, same happens on my win7. It doesn't bother me, might bother someone else thou.

what I missed in XP/XP 64bit, is the ability to utilize over 4GB of ram per application (yes, x64 also is limited to this due to kernel it has). I work in photoshop a lot, and PCs where I was employed were meant for that and pre-press, it was a hell of a nice change to be able to utilize 16GB per app instead of just 4 (or 6 by using some tricks). That is enough of a performance gain to sell me win7 x64. Oh, font managment in winXP is just awful. Win7 FINALLY addressed that issue.

as for aero, there uxtheme patchers and custom themes for win7. I would be using it otherwise (at home) since I find default Aero repulsive. There is a bunch of shell utils out there, so I am fine in regards to customization. If one likes default XP theme, you have it available, it will switch of aero, give you that same XP gui performance etc. There are also shell themes for that mode, lots of them, actually, almost all best themes from XP have been remade by their authors so you can just load them up in win7

on the other hand, win7 is a lot worse than XP in areas like desktop workflow. It does not remember folder views, column settings, window size, it even took them an whole update to make windows7 remember opened folders after restart.

PS. If you are looking for better workflow with files etc. stop relying on explorer, extensions etc. Sure, there are good ones, but does any of those combos really beat Directory Opus or TotalCommander? TCM is available for win7 as well and works just fine, has everything you need to forget about explorer altogether - except it's ugly :D but hey, DOPUS is not, and works the same. Why load your memory with system extensions when you can use an app made for that?

Tom(06:29 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
I don't care to read any further BS in this thread, this is my last response to this garbage article. I scanned quickly through a lot of BS and misinformed moronic points...Initially when I posted I didn't even give a shit to look at the posts, I read the article and I checked "real" statistics sites to see if the numbers jive.. easily found out the numbers were complete BS and based on old data.. I commented, the usual people cried. Boo hoo. Like I really give a shit.

Honestly, the stupidist thing is this article that is so fucking out of date I have to wonder how to guy running this site didn't know any better than to look at the real source before posting this crap on his site. He posted flame bait knowing there are idiots like Koogle and people like me who actually know what they are talking about. Interesting way to get publicity on your site. :roll: It took me all of 3 seconds to know the article was full of shit and I posted the link to where most collect their data. This fucking retard Wolfgang is clueless. IMO, credibility 0. Guy that's been fired from previous jobs, claims he's a techy and then writes articles with inaccurate data.. what? to get readers/visitors? ffs.. gimme a break.

Again, there are a few and even new people in this thread that have a clue. XP is yesterday's OS, I couldn't give a shit if it still turns your crank.
Good for you. Stay with your antiquated shit. It probably matches your hardware anyhow. I on the other hand, stay with the latest and greatest and XP ain't that. Games are starting to support new features in Dx and XP doesn't give you that. Win7 is more robust and more stable for me. I can run more apps/services at the same time and game. I require next to no boots. Win7 gives you a lot more than I can even mention. Win 7 is where it's at and I don't give a shit if you don't think so. It's my opinion it's my tastes.

I don't buy the gui is slow and all that BS. If you have a decent video card/system it ain't slow. Your icons are fucked up? Your windows aren't saved? Well you are a fucking idiot who is incapable of obviously using Google to fix your problems. Any M$ forum can likely help you. There are also tools to help you. XP had all the same problems. I have the same problems in Linux too.. Whoppe fucking ding dong. If you can't even help yourself and use google then you are fucking hopeless period.

Look at that fucking moron Koogle, ya he's so in touch with tech he still has a fucking CRT. Gimme a break. His skills so limited in gaming he needs everything and anything to be competitive, even to the point of cheating. Claims he can kick my ass in gaming but has never ever given me a challenge, a place to meet or anything. A fucking mouth piece all he is. Sits and moans when someone says PC gaming is dying and in the next breath when companies are trying to keep the playing field fair and booting cheaters he's putting them down. They posted an article about Valve making Steam compatible for Mac, another PC platform, he shoots it down as well as Valve. As I said, fucking moron. The guy is a total fucking idiot with a mouth that never stops putting things down. Has the guy ever posted anything ever positive? No. The guy is bi-polar of something, a retard and fucking diarrhea spewing mouth piece.

I don't like M$ as much as the next person but like many many reviews, Win7 is great and it's time to move to it. I've been on it since the beta days, its improved with patches just like XP and it's a solid OS. Anyone that knows anything knows Win7 is going to take over XP, the numbers for XP are already dropping quickly. Businesses will always be the last to adopt new OS's. When they do, XP days are numbered. My place of work is already making a date to switch and a lot of people have already moved to Win7.

gx-x(07:13 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
you don't have to "buy it" Tom, you try it yourself ffs :) open services and resize it, it's that easy. GPU doesn't matter if OS is not using it.

as for google search on windows remembering settings, there is a registry "fix" for that and it screws other things pretty bad in the long run, like giving you icon problems, long(er) window loading times etc. XP didn't have these problems out of the box, thats all I am saying. As columns position and size go, there is no fix and same problem exists from win XP till today. I got tired of looking into "detailed" view as default a long time ago. I can't b e bothered to resize name column every time I open a new window.

Koogle(07:42 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
"Honestly, the stupidist thing is this article that is so fucking out of date "

who the fuck cares, even your in link shows XP at ~60%+, whatever the actual statistics(usually only ever used by twisted marketing shitheads and liars) its not going to fucking show your beloved Winshite 7 at a large marketshare, get over it noob!


"I don't buy the gui is slow and all that BS. If you have a decent video card/system it ain't slow."

durrr it is, just because you throw faster hardware at it, doesn't fucking mean the problem is solved!! At the core its still a fucking issue, just as I mentioned the audiostack audiobg.exe is still a fucking issue of wasted cpu cycles interfering with audio playback (again countless reported issues), as is DWM.exe /dpc latency(lmgtfy?) (FailAero, and its piss poor customization and feature options). do I really fucking need to go pull up countless issues/bug reports people have with Win7 and production software? including gfx hardware.... Adobe and Autodesk alone have fuck loads of problems with shitty7, and opengl, is it any wonder why so many have to disable desktop compositing :D . As for the rest of your straw manning arguments you pulled out of your ass.. shut up noob

"Look at that fucking moron Koogle, ya he's so in touch with tech he still has a fucking CRT. "

STFU again asshole, I have mentioned here before now I use 2x24" lcd setup here moron, stop being a twisted little bastard.

"ya he's so in touch with tech he still has a fucking CRT. "

I'll take that as compliment, seeing a good CRT is still worth having for fps games.

"XP ain't that. Games are starting to support new features in Dx and XP doesn't give you that. "

yes of course, it was done by fucking design to force upgrades moron. Even the efforts to port dx10 were halted by the litigating scumbuckets at MS who successfully prevented that Alky project. Perhaps you like throwing money away at shitty upgrades but I don't. Fact is DX10/11 could have easily been made to work on XP for games from a Microsuck standpoint, the very fact projects came close it doing without any inside source and availability to access the windows sourcecode proves it! People would have paid for just upgrading of dx on XP, but MS couldn't possibly have done that when they want to go about developing a whole lot of other poorly developed shit like failaero, that they want people to be using and buying ....even if they then go back down I mean upgrading to XP because its less shit than all poorly designed changes in vis7a.

"but does any of those combos really beat Directory Opus or TotalCommander? "

yes they do, and I'd always prefer to use an application that is built for what it does like a proper FTP application over half assed implementation built into said apps (and don't get me wrong I know those apps have their uses/and users but to me explorer replacements never quite live upto replacing explorer effectively, not so far anyway) , and MDI apps like those (jack of all trades master at fuck all) such as those fail to do what explorer(+extensions) does because they have not been designed adequately. Case in point any applications that provides a way of directly opening a folder will not by default use one of those applications, and when they do open up those apps with the pointed to directory tab, still do not function well in a multitasking environment. Put it this way, the windows taskbar is a tabbar for the core windows file explorer and multiple instance of different directories being opened (those explorer extensions already provide more features and customization than TotalcrapCommander, and Opus put together both which have interfaces that could be seen as heavily bloated and not exactly very customizable, you either like it or you don't, but fact is their is a large of further issues they don't fix, just like explorer is meant to remember per folder settings/ windows sizes on close, those things go out the window when you use such applications not always a good thing). Also it would be pointless even using those apps instead of Win7 fail file explorer, because it doesn't replace what is essentially a very poorly designed and developed explorer shell, which you are still going to forced to use and interact with in other areas of the interface in Winshite7.


"They posted an article about Valve making Steam compatible for Mac, another PC platform, he shoots it down as well as Valve. "

Taking the piss out of OSX, of course a shit head like you saw your opportunity to make a comment that was all sensible like, I actually mostly agreed with the opinion and saw nothing I could be bothered to say on something I really don't give a shit about the only good thing that will come from that arrangement is developers using more open platform APi, another fuck you Directx I'd imagine ... So Valve already have a great dislike for Microsucks live platform And OSX pff whatever I'll take the piss out of them when I choose, you can stick up for them of course. But fuck you for being dickhead about it, you are just a fanboy.

"Claims he can kick my ass in gaming but has never ever given me a challenge, a place to meet or anything. A fucking mouth piece all he is. "

1vs1 on COD? CSS? UT2k4? UT3? which one you little moron.. quakelive? No hacks either Tom, seeing as you follow that scene so well.

"Businesses will always be the last to adopt new OS's. When they do, XP days are numbered. "

Xp days have been said to be numbered since the day shitty vista got kicked out the door, only stupid businesses with shit IT admins with fuck all else to do but setup security restrictions on fellow employees are upgrading in this bad economy. Those and any fucking moron who gets their panties in a twist at the mere mention of the CYBER security! CYBER SECURITY CYBER CYBER CYBER CYBER ..MS spoke person shithead: upgrade Winshi7e for better CYBER SECURITY :P

"My place of work is already making a date to switch and a lot of people have already moved to Win7."

wow they are really intelligent sheep, must be like you Tom. Clueless casual users constantly fed with marketing crap... always ready to support a mega scumopoly.

"Win7 is great and it's time to move to it."

Win 7 is borderline ok, its not time to move to it unless you're really forced into doing that.

Ceriden(08:00 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
Koogle> "It's too bad these forums don't have a moderator. Then maybe we could be free from both of you."

:cry: pfff... :lol: y'know there are plenty of other crap websites with full on modtarderation and censorship for you to go suck upto, like kotaku for a start, I'm sure your mentality will fit right in somewhere else if that is the case. Say what you want, but don't say anyone shouldn't be allowed to say anything or be around here. It's your right to be offended and look at things that way, but that's it.

I'm just wondering why heretic even bothered posting rules if no one is going to enforce them, that's all.

Maybe I'm expecting too much from some of the users here. Maybe being civil, even while disagreeing, and being able to type words as they are actually spelled without resorting to pseudo leet speak is too difficult to grasp for some here.

Koogle(09:23 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
You take rules too seriously, like all cretinous people seem to (no offense, but that is the way you're coming off)....the rule should just be harden the fuck up, please :)

And people who want to block out the voice of reason, and others opinions, are the ones who have the problem. And I'm not going to apologist for the language used. I suggest deal it instead being a child.

I know friends/family who use Win7 ( I don't have a problem with them for using win7), mostly because it got bundled with a laptop or a new pc etc.. but they just use it for basic computing stuff, videos, browsing, office, the odd games etc they aren't going to tell me something I don't already know and how I should be using it because they do. That is the problem I have with fanboytards who show up their clueless ignorance perfectly about the OS they use, but want others to use like its some sort of collectivist mindset.

They aren't at the level of enthusiast user who wants the streamlined workflows, the intuitive functional design, power-toys etc, more open customizations and control. Tom himselfs disregards aerotaskforce, only a fucking idiot would do that, oh and a large portion of MS employees responsible for those areas who can't be arsed (some of which comments you can find on that site, that show perfectly just how flawed their ill logical thinking is on issues they have created and don't want to sort out ;) ). They aren't going to be wanting tools like taskix so they can close taskbar apps faster using the [mmb] or flicking through things with the [mousewheel]. There are other features suggestions I made for the beta of 7, that made it into the final builds, but it wasn't enough to make me want to use that OS when I already have a far better desktop setup that I can't get with Win7.

Things like [ctrl]+[wheelmouse] for adjusting folder views/thumbsizes. Stuff like that are power features, A company like M$ doesn't want to developer for the power/enthusiast user, they rather that leave that upto other developers to extend, but at the same time restrict it such that developers have even less access to pull off another XP again that will force MS to have to do better than the competition that develops stuff on its own OS. Its far easier to design and develop for the noob user, by dumbing things down, instead of the opposite in getting users more trained on better workflows (MS is a company that ignored TABBED browsing for years) (So don't be surprised if Win8 carries this stupid mentality on, and further disregards actual improvements requested by users of Win7), and businesses who just want to restrict everything down to the bare minimum for their workforce of drones to be forced to use. They are users who mostly don't think about how things could be better (obviously) and more customizable etc that would improve workflow and productivity, to say Win7 will make users more productive is a fucking JOKE, explorer alone has done nothing but made things worse the stupid changes it has done to it. So I am only to happy rip into it.

The bare minimum and flashy but shallow GUI/UX is fine for most unfortunately, but doesn't mean it was worth the money they were forced to pay for it. That is the con MS and its marketing crap pulls, because when you look at what is already freely available for XP to enhance it, there is very little, to nothing that it can't do that win7 does, and its a very stable OS with sp3, that has even less hardware/driver/software issues than Win7.

"Win7 is more robust and more stable for me. "

No more than XPsp3/x64 is, and I'd say that Win7 still has many driver/software issues with graphics cards. So yeh whatever to that claim.

"pseudo leet speak "

I didn't know anyone was trying pseudo leet speak, trash talk for sure, but leet speak? nah not really

Csimbi(11:28 PM CEST - Oct,07 2010 )
Penetreitor> I'm still searching for solutions to have a good explorer, a smart securuty softwares (ZoneAlarm don't work properly with W7, MalwareBytes works smoothly so far...)
Did you try Agnitum Outpost?
I use only the firewall (without the additional crap), and it's great, though not as good as it used to be in version 4.0.

gx-x> If you are looking for better workflow with files etc. stop relying on explorer, extensions etc. Sure, there are good ones, but does any of those combos really beat Directory Opus or TotalCommander?
TC here, amen to that. Though I use XP.

Tom> Businesses will always be the last to adopt new OS's. When they do, XP days are numbered. My place of work is already making a date to switch and a lot of people have already moved to Win7.
I think businesses already prolonged the lifetime of XP much longer than anyone anticipated it in the first place. Remember how many times MS wanted to drop XP support? Whenever they tried shutting XP support down, they had to realize that more PCs have been shipped with XP than 7. So, from the moment MS stops supporting XP you can be sure that everyone will be moving on to the next OS (be it OSX, Windows 8, or Linux) - give it max. two years.

Ceriden(05:17 AM CEST - Oct,08 2010 )
Last comment on the etiquette matter from me and then I'll let it drop as I've said my peace. That last post from you is exactly what I want. Your points came across as coherent with very little deviation into the leet speak that I mentioned. I should have also been more clear what I meant by leet, which is the best term I could come up with. Was talking about inserting words into other words (Winshi7e or blizztard as a couple examples). It's hard to take someone seriously when they have to resort to that sort of thing. Anyway, that's it I'm done with the matter.


As far as XP versus 7. I just cannot justify making the jump. Maybe it's a bit streamlined. Maybe it's more secure. The bottom line for me is that it is heavier (More system demanding) and legacy support for older windows games, that I have, is not as robust. Add in the fact that I hate that the content of a folder doesn't always contain the actual files but shortcuts to the files that are crawled from all over the place. If I have a folder for just vacation pictures, that's where I want them and only there. It's like sorting movies by genre, but having it in multiple lists because a small part of it qualifies. The only thing that I will cut them some slack is the driver support. The companies knew the delivery window for 7, they were given ample time to write drivers that supported it, hell Microsoft was making available teams on their side to help. It was just a case of pure laziness on their part.

Csimbi is right in that if one wants to stay in a windows environment you will have to eventually upgrade to something newer. Unless you are fine with no security support. Of course going forward windows will only be as secure as the security firms will let it, at least until Microsoft is left to do what it wanted to do, like kernal lockdown, without being sued because they included a service that is also third party.

But I do want windows to still be around and do well. The only viable alternative, short of linux, is the mac and while they do better in some respects their policy of software slash and burn is short sided in the long term.

Ozieo(12:27 AM CEST - Oct,09 2010 )
Let's conclude with this : Every OS has its fanbase, You either choose Microsoft's God1 or Microsoft's God2, either way, we're all licking Bill's ballz.

gx-x(08:27 AM CEST - Oct,09 2010 )
no, we are paying Balmer's cocaine

Csimbi(11:42 AM CEST - Oct,09 2010 )
gx-x> no, we are paying Balmer's cocaine
Yup, Bill's been out for a while now.
Maybe that's why Balmer fucked up so bad.

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