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3D Performance with Oblivion: High-end Cards - tech
(hx) 12:09 PM CEST - Apr,04 2006 - Post a comment / read (13)
FiringSquad rounded up 9 of the latest high-end cards, including the GeForce 6800 GT, to see who comes out on top in performance:
Breaking it down at the various price points, we've got to give the edge to NVIDIA by default at the $300 mark, simply because we're still trying to get our hands on a 256MB Radeon X1800 XT card. If today's performance with Oblivion is any indication, these X1800 XT 256MB cards could become pretty hot sellers once they hit the market en masse, especially considering the shortage of GeForce 7900 GT cards on the market right now. In any case, the GeForce 7900 GT delivers good performance in Oblivion, besting the GeForce 7800 GTX 256MB in nearly all cases, and outperforming the GeForce 6800 GT SLI setup as well.

Moving up to the highest end of the market, ATI's Radeon X1900 XTX takes the performance crown in our testing with Oblivion in single-card configurations. Regardless of the test with threw at the X1900 XTX it came out on top, with the Radeon X1900 XT typically finishing a close second.

When testing dual-card configurations, the results swing dramatically in NVIDIA's favor. In multiple cases the X1900 XTX CrossFire and X1800 XT CrossFire configurations yielded a negligible performance increase over comparable single-card configurations, while the GeForce cards clearly scaled well in Oblivion once running in an SLI configuration. (We also noted tearing and other artifacts from time to time with the CrossFire setup.)

This is one area where NVIDIA really excels in comparison to ATI - their dual GPU infrastructure is more mature than ATI's at this point. We have no doubt that ATI's hard at work on getting CrossFire support for Oblivion better integrated into their Catalyst drivers, but NVIDIA's got SLI up and running with Oblivion beautifully out-of-the-box today. We've stated in the past that ATI needs to add customizable game profiles for CrossFire into their driver (similar to what NVIDIA's done today with their SLI game profiles), the need for this is clearly illustrated by Oblivion. Until ATI does this, CrossFire users are forced to rely on ATI's driver team to add support directly to games. This is one huge drawback CrossFire has in comparison to SLI.

Update: Fortunately we just received word from the Catalyst Maker himself, ATI's Terry Makedon, on how to get CrossFire up and running with Catalyst 6.3: by renaming the Oblivion.exe executable to "AFR-FriendlyD3D.exe" CrossFire performance scales appropriately. All isn't perfect with this workaround -- we did notice quite a few flashing textures as a result -- but at least it provides a solution for ATI CrossFire users today without having to wait for Catalyst 6.4.
last 10 comments:
El_Coyote(06:42 PM CEST - Apr,04 2006 )
Quote from oblivion readme:


-ATI Crossfire
Performance on systems using ATI Crossfire will be reduced until ATI releases an updated driver with Oblivion listed as a Crossfire Compatible game.

they bash the performance of something that's not enabled yet...
mayhaps they should have read the readme or waited till next driver set with the dual tests? :P

xxxx(07:41 PM CEST - Apr,04 2006 )
Yeah needless to say that the ATI card can't even properly run this game to begin with. Where nVidia is processing many effects, the ATI card is doing the same thing sans the effects.. And they say ATI is faster?? What a biased POS of a review..So many effects are lost with ATI. Including HDR and AA. Game looks way better on nVidia.. nVidia doesn't only look better, it performs better. But yeah, it MUST BE MY SYSTEM.. Pffff.

Lookin at this again, HDR on ATI and Oblivion? WTF is that?? ATI can't do HDR in Oblivion.. That's a lie or ATI has f'd everyone again with their earlier cards by not providing support. Ahh.. I just keep feeling better all the time now..

This performance review is a total piece of shit and fringes on lying. ATI and nVidia are not displaying the same quality of game. I don't give a shit what this ATI card is set to, the game appears different. I know cuz I've done SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. This is nothing but a ATI rant by an ATI user and it fails to tell people the TRUTH.

El_Coyote(08:20 PM CEST - Apr,04 2006 )
Actually it's you thats lying, HDR works fine on my x1600 and on every ATi piece I've seen the game on so far.
The difference between HDR rendering enabled and disabled is really distinct and magnificent. you cant miss it (or apperantly YOU can...)
I'ts actually the first time ever i saw that brought up, so apperantly your computer really IS very unique in that aspect. what a pity...

With HDR and AA in oblivion, you chose which you want to use, cause as of yet you cant use both of those two on either ati OR nvidia hardware - and thats because of the way the game was programmed rather than the hardware manufactures.
Once again you display your ineptitude.

Nosferatu(09:03 PM CEST - Apr,04 2006 )
xxxx, you've already mentioned you've got a x800 family card, which supports shader model 2.0. Only Valve came up with HDR on 2.0 cards, while all the others developers didn't really bother, so you can enable HDR just in case you've got pixel shader 3.0 capable card. Without it all what you get is an overbright effect, but certainly not HDR. You took this shitty overbright effect for HDR "a la ATI", while in fact it isn't so. See someone playing on an ATI card that HAS pixel shader 3.0 support.
And yeah, AA doesn't go with HDR.

Nosferatu(09:14 PM CEST - Apr,04 2006 )
By the way...
Those at Valve (all shitheads according to you) were the only ones who implemented HDR so skilfully, that even your card can give you the eyecandy. You blame them for zero support and ATI for outrageous quality and performance.
And YOU are talking about BIAS!

xxxx(11:34 PM CEST - Apr,04 2006 )
I was wrong, HDR and AA were not on in Oblivion, just HDR. HDR was not avail with the X800 at all. Oblivion now appears as a totally different looking game with my 'cheaper' nVidia card.. It's actually a pleasure to play now..

HDR and Valve is as per agreements with ATI and Valve. Valve started out making the game for ATI and compatible with nVidia. You are impressed by little things, Valve made HDR work for ATI, wow what a feat... yes lets put Valve on a pedestal because they made HDR work on ATI.. yeah.. no thanks. Now how many games have things designed for nVidia in em??? gee, like 1billion??

nVidia is far superior to ATI and personally I think only a fool would say otherwise. But that's 'my' opinion. I don't personally care if you don't agree with my opinion. in my opinion, nVidia doesn't only own ATI in it's products but it owns in support, price and overall compatibility for games. With ATI support "is" shorter for it's products than nVidia too, my X800 was already chugging in some games and I was being forced to go to medium. This time round I figured 'why buy a card that spends it's time constantly making itself compatible for games, I decided it was better to go with a card that developers actually design for and a card that typically works with anything.

Anonymous(06:05 AM CEST - Apr,05 2006 )
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xxxx(03:34 PM CEST - Apr,05 2006 )
Some people just like to put Valve on a pedestal without warrant and they avoid the obvious comparisons. To say what a feat that Valve put HDR in HL2 is like 'so what?'. Did it improve the fps or make it worse for people? How many turn off HDR for competition? How many people already finished the game before Valve 'decided' to put HDR in?

I can't compare results to my X800 in some ways because my cpu is upgraded too, but when I talk about my new nVidia card it's because with the same exact settings I had with my X800 the games just look a hell of a lot better and play a lot better, in some case I have features I would have liked to turn on but either caused disastrous results in performance or the game crashed. ATI is famous for crashing and rebooting PCs.. I'll be a grandpa if my nVidia EVER does that too me.

As I said, my choice for buying nVidia is overall developer support, game support and the fact that nVidia doesn't play the game of "let's patch our drivers like crazy so they are compatible with games". ATI's slogan, a wish at best, "Get in the game". I've been saying it for years, ATI can't even get in the door half the time. The most compatible card for games has been and likely will always be nVidia.

No.21(04:50 PM CEST - Apr,05 2006 )
WOW another uber super post about ATi from our dear XXXX.

quote:
ATI can't do HDR in Oblivion.

They cant? You tell it to them bitches!

quote:
That's a lie or ATI has f'd everyone again with their earlier cards by not providing support.


I wonder why and what cards. WOW you do really know WOW ur the greatest!

quote:
Ahh.. I just keep feeling better all the time now..


Watch it! So you dont put stains where you dont want them.

quote:
This performance review is a total piece of shit and fringes on lying. ATI and nVidia are not displaying the same quality of game. I don't give a shit what this ATI card is set to, the game appears different. I know cuz I've done SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON. This is nothing but a ATI rant by an ATI user and it fails to tell people the TRUTH.


quote:
ATI is famous for crashing and rebooting PCs.. I'll be a grandpa if my nVidia EVER does that too me.


You forgot that ATi also has corrupted files with bad drivers!

quote:
As I said, my choice for buying nVidia is overall developer support, game support and the fact that nVidia doesn't play the game of "let's patch our drivers like crazy so they are compatible with games". ATI's slogan, a wish at best, "Get in the game". I've been saying it for years, ATI can't even get in the door half the time. The most compatible card for games has been and likely will always be nVidia.


Oh oh XXXX, you made me disappointed here. You forgot that ATi has to fix those shimmering issues that they get with their drivers in some games with some settings!

Yeah another great initial post from the uber clever critque XXXX that knows better than anyone.

xxxx(08:23 PM CEST - Apr,05 2006 )
Correct, I did forget about the corrupt drivers and the shimmering.. Thanks for that!

No.21(10:04 PM CEST - Apr,05 2006 )
Yeah, and dont forget to take a cup of Ybozo next time you post. Might refresh your memory.

xxxx(04:47 PM CEST - Apr,06 2006 )
Yeah.. and your intelligent because??.. Thanks for stretching that one braincell No21..stay in school ok!? Or is that Lucas?? magified post, same spelling inconsistencies.. Gee I wonder..

I look forward to your posts to contradict my points and experiences.. I have a nice handy set of bookmarks of LOTS of ATI issues/excuses I can pick from.. I could likely keep you busy for months defending ATI and I'd be more than open to your criticisms of nVidia...likely just ATI lies spread around..

No.21(06:45 PM CEST - Apr,06 2006 )
Like i have written before: You are scathing. If you dont get it, then read your earlier posts. And look at your initial one.

It seems to me that you have your own personal vendetta against ATi , becouse of an unsatisfactory product that you bought. Hard to stay objectiv isn't it? And next time plan and check out the products you are going to buy.

And about those issue, what about them? Nvidia has issues too. The real big problem is that if they cant be fixed easily and in reasonable time. Or have major harm.

GPUs are improved and comes with new features and some driver bugs are fixed, especially the major ones. So it doesn't stay the same.

What i am trying to mean with all of this is that dont go ape shit over some old crap in the past. Settle it and move on and stay objectiv. Dont start scathing like a cheap 2 dollar whore.

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