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Nvidia's GeForce 470 & 480 GPUs Reviewed - tech
(hx) 01:59 PM CET - Mar,27 2010 - Post a comment / read (14)
The first reviews of Nvidia's oft-delayed Fermi video cards are finally here!  The top-end GeForce GTX 480 leads the group and is billed as the 'fastest GPU in the world:' it has 480 visual processing cores, 16 geometry units and four raster units that combined should beat the ATI Radeon HD 5800 series in real-world tests. It also has major optimizations to multi-card SLI that produce a 90 percent speed boost with a second card, making the case for multiple GeForce 400 series cards in high-end systems. Both it and the more modest GTX 470 are NVIDIA's first cards to support DirectX 11 (and eventually OpenGL 4.0) and the accompanying benefits, including hardware geometry tessellation. They're not for sale yet. Nvidia says the initial round of cards, manufactured in-house, is shipping to the channel and should be available the week of April 12th (in two and a half weeks). Subsequent boards will come from the company's partners sometime next month. What will availability look like? According to Nvidia, it's shipping tens of thousands of GF100-based cards at launch, and by the middle of April, anyone willing to spend $500 on a GeForce GTX 480 or $350 on a GeForce GTX 470 should be able to buy one.
OCC:  When you get right down to it the GTX 480 offers up better performance than the HD 5870. That's the expectation the world had for this card. In 44 out of 48 tests run the GTX 480 delivered a higher level of performance, a pretty stout performance. In the four tests that it did not outright win, two showed performance equal to the HD 5870 and the two it lost were not by a large margin. With those kind of performance results I have to say that nVidia delivered a card that did what it was meant to do, deliver a higher level of performance. This was more evident in the newer games and DirectX 11 game and benchmark results where the GTX 480 cleaned house. The scoring in the Unigine 2.0 benchmark shows the strengths of the Fermi architecture with scores from the GTX 480 finishing almost 100% higher than the results of the comparison HD 5870 when the extreme tessellation preset is chosen. Metro 2033 testing showed that the performance in the Unigine testing was no fluke. The tesselation performance is a result of the all new Polymorph Tesselation engines that reside in each GPU cluster. Much of the early talk about the Fermi third generation Streaming Multiprocessor architecture was geared toward GPU computing, but make no mistake, this is a video card built for gaming as shown by the results. However, there is so much more that this card can be used for besides gaming; there are an abundance of GPU accelerated applications to make your life easier, such as Badaboom, Vreveal, WinZip, Photoshop and more. For those into the distributed computing scene there is a client that takes advantage of the massive parallel architecture to really push your contributions higher to hopefully help find a cure for some really heinous diseases. nVidia's stereoscopic 3D Vision system is not new to the market but supporting it over three monitors is a whole new way to enjoy this technology. When running with three monitors you have what is called 3D Vision Surround. If you don't want to use nVidia's 3D Vision system you still can enjoy a surround experience with GT 200 and higher based video cards. The downside is that to run the surround setup you need to run two cards in SLI. If you are going this route you still have the monitor purchase but you just need two cards to really have the horsepower to drive the 746 million pixels per second in a 3DSurround setup. That does add to the cost but really, if you are going that way you have some cash to get there. Pricing is expected to be in the $499 range, or about 50 to 80 dollars more than ATI's HD 5870. Steep but the price point is going to be expected and puts nVidia at a point where ATI may not cut prices, making this a bad situation for consumers. Time will tell though.

THG: Then there's the ugly: power. Nvidia argues that the enthusiast space isn't as sensitive to figures like power consumption, and that lofty load figures still only translate to a few dollars per year. However, when you have the system power of a single-GPU card outstripping the total power of a faster dual-GPU board (despite their respective max. board TDPs, which we really can't vouch for), that's something to think about. We're not even talking about FurMark here—it's the Unigine performance, power, and efficiency index that put things into perspective. Of course, that power invariably gets dissipated as heat, and thus the GTX 480, in particular, becomes a very hot card, cresting 160 degrees Fahrenheit on its surface during game play.

Anandtech: Moving on, we have the GTX 470 to discuss. It's not NVIDIA's headliner so it's easy to get lost in the shuffle. With a price right between the 5850 and 5870, it delivers performance right where you'd expect it to be. At 5-10% slower than the 5870 on average, it's actually a straightforward value proposition: you get 90-95% of the performance for around 87% of the price. It's not a huge bargain, but it's competitively priced against the 5870. Against the 5850 this is less true where it's a mere 2-8% faster, but this isn't unusual for cards above $300 - the best values are rarely found there. The 5850 is the bargain hunter's card, otherwise if you can spend more pick a price and you'll find your card. Just keep in mind that the GTX 470 is still going to be louder/hotter than any 5800 series card, so there are tradeoffs to make, and we imagine most people would err towards the side of the cooler Radeon cards.
last 10 comments:
nb411(03:56 PM CET - Mar,27 2010 )
Pony up to a new sensation,
six months late,
less interesting than menstruation,
la la la,
do not want. :S

psolord(05:10 PM CET - Mar,27 2010 )
Yeah, unfortunately they did not come out all that great.

I mean the GTX 480 consumes more than the 5970 in both idle AND load for the love of God.

Interesting technology though. I think it will shine at 28nm!

ykazka(09:11 PM CET - Mar,27 2010 )
Better luck next year, Nvidia. I went with Radeon---and I got no complains.

Tom(06:46 AM CEST - Mar,28 2010 )
This game is a hunk of junk to be doing any fps comparisons. I got this game, it's complete junk. Gfx are not improved and the game is buggy just like the past ones. This game has no better gfx than L4D2 so how anything can't get 100fps or more is beyond me, just crap code I guess. My GTX 260 plays the game just fine fps wise with top quality <sic> settings. BC2 has 10x better gfx than this junk and I get a million fps, certainly no vid lag ever.

nb411(06:52 AM CEST - Mar,28 2010 )
psolord>

Interesting technology though. I think it will shine at 28nm!


Yeah the tech is way ahead of its time, and that is why we don't see it thrashing ATI right now. I think Nvidia is banking on CUDA and GPGPU being really big later on and wants to be prepared; at the expense of success in the present day. I think a die shrink will certainly help here, but usually board makers use it as an excuse to overlock the crap out of their cards so that any reduction in heat and power gobbling is negated. Either way, the pricing would have become more competitive. I think for now though, the HD5850 is the mainstream sweet spot.

Koogle(09:59 AM CEST - Mar,28 2010 )
quote:
Yeah the tech is way ahead of its time


oh behind if you ask me.. very few decent things taking advantage of it still. And the things that do are mostly third party developments like plugins that leave a lot to be desired. And I mean they should be bundling shit like badaboom for free (its noob rubbish really, yet one of the few apps that actually uses the gpu). I guess nvidia like there constantly shit driver updates is really starting suck ass. They've still got video playback and production app issues that haven't been resolved for windows desktop in ages.

I guess they've been too busy fagging about appeasing its main market of gaming morons with shitty gimmicks like 3d surround for nvidiots who seem like throwing away money like they have no sense.

And its like they spend more time looking for ways to cripple hardware (like quadro vs gaming cards difference joke) in order to make more money. greedy greentards.

I think I'll go red monster next if they don't get anything better out.

Tom(04:37 PM CEST - Mar,29 2010 )
Koogle> quote:
Yeah the tech is way ahead of its time


oh behind if you ask me.. very few decent things taking advantage of it still. And the things that do are mostly third party developments like plugins that leave a lot to be desired. And I mean they should be bundling shit like badaboom for free (its noob rubbish really, yet one of the few apps that actually uses the gpu). I guess nvidia like there constantly shit driver updates is really starting suck ass. They've still got video playback and production app issues that haven't been resolved for windows desktop in ages.

I guess they've been too busy fagging about appeasing its main market of gaming morons with shitty gimmicks like 3d surround for nvidiots who seem like throwing away money like they have no sense.

And its like they spend more time looking for ways to cripple hardware (like quadro vs gaming cards difference joke) in order to make more money. greedy greentards.

I think I'll go red monster next if they don't get anything better out.


To each their own. I'll never touch an ATI card. Support from ATI/AMD does not hold a candle to the support from nVidia. But then again, right now I see absolutely no sense in upgrading at all. I have yet to have a game that taxes my measly 260. These cards and the ATI new ones are more for the suckers who have to satisfy their ego's.

psolord(04:58 PM CEST - Mar,29 2010 )
Tom> Koogle> quote:
Yeah the tech is way ahead of its time


oh behind if you ask me.. very few decent things taking advantage of it still. And the things that do are mostly third party developments like plugins that leave a lot to be desired. And I mean they should be bundling shit like badaboom for free (its noob rubbish really, yet one of the few apps that actually uses the gpu). I guess nvidia like there constantly shit driver updates is really starting suck ass. They've still got video playback and production app issues that haven't been resolved for windows desktop in ages.

I guess they've been too busy fagging about appeasing its main market of gaming morons with shitty gimmicks like 3d surround for nvidiots who seem like throwing away money like they have no sense.

And its like they spend more time looking for ways to cripple hardware (like quadro vs gaming cards difference joke) in order to make more money. greedy greentards.

I think I'll go red monster next if they don't get anything better out.


To each their own. I'll never touch an ATI card. Support from ATI/AMD does not hold a candle to the support from nVidia. But then again, right now I see absolutely no sense in upgrading at all. I have yet to have a game that taxes my measly 260. These cards and the ATI new ones are more for the suckers who have to satisfy their ego's.


Aside from e-ego, there are practical reasons for new cards and new hardware in general.

Sorry mate, but I like my games at 1920X1080+4XAA and there are quite a few games that can benefit from fast hardware. Not all games are badly coded you know. Some of them have some really difficult effects going on (like Metro-Crysis, whatever) and I don't want to miss that.

Now if you prefer to game at low res, low settings, or play older games, then yes a GTX 260 will do fine. I had one before getting my 5850s.

Granted, the higher you go in the hardware scale, the less games you find taking advantage of it, hence you pay more for less, but what the heck, this is a hobby, we might as well do it right!

As for Nvidia's awesome support, dude, seriously, I have never ever heard of a driver stopping the card's fan before (referring to 196.75 obviously)!

Koogle(11:30 PM CEST - Mar,29 2010 )
quote:
To each their own. I'll never touch an ATI card.


I wasn't promoting either company actually, I don't really have much of bias in favor of either company. Both have there own interests, both screw customers regularly, both artificially cripple hardware in order to make a new market of professional gfx cards that are really nothing more than the same gaming cards at rip off prices. Both have shit drivers and issues that get ignored in favor of just fixing the more obvious bugs that even the noob majority couldn't miss. Example Nvidia still haven't fixed the video related bugs that were brought to there attention ages ago.

I'll probably wait to see if Nvidia/AMD have anything better out towards the end of the year and go do my comparisons then, gaming benchmark/price comparisons seem to have gotten a little more complicated now that each company has gotten in GPGPU arena, so now you've got benchmarks and differences in that area too, not to mention CAD/3D apps where each has drivers that vary between better and worse than other. So its more of a choice on what you do and not just best gaming benchmarks anymore now.

And I agree AMD maybe the gamers favorite right now (and if you were looking to buy right now Id say screw nvidia, they've fucked up with this overly delayed hardware) but they still have some catching up in other areas where Nvidia's support in its own drivers/tech has a stronghold in application support(if that doesn't matter and its just desktop/video and games than its a much easier comparison to choose a gfx card really). No doubt Ati/AMD are actually happy MS dived in with Directcompute they're quite good at sucking up, much like they've always been in bed supporting that Directx10,11 shit.

I think Nvidia should try getting ATi involved in supporting its more open OS platform and further developed Cuda/Physix technology which already has better support than AMDs tech. Either that or they both mutually support and work on OpenCL.

One thing is for sure Microsucks Directcompute needs to fuck off, its propriety Windows lockin shit, just like Directx. And as Windows is pretty much going down a fucking gutter of noobshit. I really don't care for it getting involved in what were primarily just cpu based app tools aswel now. It will just add to the complication of users dumping Windows in the future as it gets more crap.

Venom1(01:30 PM CEST - Mar,30 2010 )
psolord>
Now if you prefer to game at low res, low settings, or play older games, then yes a GTX 260 will do fine. I had one before getting my 5850s.


You make me laugh.
I can play almost all games in high quality: ME2 in high quality, Metro 2033 in high dx 10 quality, DOW 2 CR in high quality ... with a gtx 260 (216 version)
So pls write with your brain connected next time.

psolord(01:41 PM CEST - Mar,30 2010 )
Venom1> psolord>
Now if you prefer to game at low res, low settings, or play older games, then yes a GTX 260 will do fine. I had one before getting my 5850s.


You make me laugh.
I can play almost all games in high quality: ME2 in high quality, Metro 2033 in high dx 10 quality, DOW 2 CR in high quality ... with a gtx 260 (216 version)
So pls write with your brain connected next time.


Ah let me see

ME2

It run just fine on my 3870 at 1920X1080
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Xh26YAOHU

Dawn of War II is pretty light and runs well in most systems.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2848/9

Still 48fps vs 62fps = not the same thing!

As for Metro ZOMFG
http://vr-zone.com/forums/582617/metro-2033-benchmarked-pcgh-.html
Have fun playing at 20fps!

Dude seriously, get your facts straight and don't tell me to connect my brain. It is YOU that should connect your brain with your eyes![/url]

Venom1(01:55 PM CEST - Mar,30 2010 )
psolord> Venom1> psolord>
Now if you prefer to game at low res, low settings, or play older games, then yes a GTX 260 will do fine. I had one before getting my 5850s.


You make me laugh.
I can play almost all games in high quality: ME2 in high quality, Metro 2033 in high dx 10 quality, DOW 2 CR in high quality ... with a gtx 260 (216 version)
So pls write with your brain connected next time.


Ah let me see

ME2

It run just fine on my 3870 at 1920X1080
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3Xh26YAOHU

Dawn of War II is pretty light and runs well in most systems.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/2848/9

Still 48fps vs 62fps = not the same thing!

As for Metro ZOMFG
http://vr-zone.com/forums/582617/metro-2033-benchmarked-pcgh-.html
Have fun playing at 20fps!

Dude seriously, get your facts straight and don't tell me to connect my brain. It is YOU that should connect your brain with your eyes![/url]


Infact, since you write "Now if you prefer to game at low res, low settings, or play older games, then yes a GTX 260 will do fine" so pls tell me what kind of TODAY games need a new super video card?
Btw Metro 2033 runs in high quality at 32 FPS (win 7 modified lite edition 1900x1200), 19 FPS in ultra high quality.
Gtx 260 (216 cores) is still a great card for almost every game.

psolord(02:15 PM CEST - Mar,30 2010 )
Venom1>
Infact, since you write "Now if you prefer to game at low res, low settings, or play older games, then yes a GTX 260 will do fine" so pls tell me what kind of TODAY games need a new super video card?
Btw Metro 2033 runs in high quality at 32 FPS (win 7 modified lite edition 1900x1200), 19 FPS in ultra high quality.
Gtx 260 (216 cores) is still a great card for almost every game.


Yeah great card it was. Yes it can still play some games. I am talking about newer heavy games, like Dirt 2, Bad Company 2, Stalker Call of Pripyat, Avatar, The Settlers 7 and I am not really sure about Just Cause 2 or Supreme Commander 2 since I don't have the GTX 260 any more.

The goal here is max settings, 1080P @ 60fps, not 30fps and 4XAA.

I could also mention older games, like Red Faction Guerrilla, Stalker Clear Sky, Crysis and the list could go on.

Tom(07:35 AM CEST - Mar,31 2010 )
Metro 2033, couldn't give a shit really. Another junk title.

My 260GTX SUPER CLOCKED runs everything and anything at top notch quality at 2048x1152. I can't turn up the settings any higher. Fallout 3 I used mega texture packs and replacements and it ran tops too. I don't need anything more. The stats they throw up for these new cards, mine has to be closely matching anyhow. It's fabricated shit reviews. Shit review because they only benched conveniently the recent cards. It's probably the longest ever time I ever went without upgrading. I cannot conceive of another piece of hardware on my computer that could make anything better than it already is. I don't care for 3D goggle bs either.

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