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Gameguru Mania News - Nov,25 2005 -

Call of Duty 2 server boycott? - briefly
(hx) 11:31 PM CET - Nov,25 2005 - Post a comment / read (36)
It looks like the Call of Duty 2 community is very pissed off with the developer - Infinity Ward and are planning a boycott by "mass server shutdowns of all Call of Duty games at a time of our choosing" (thanks Alistair Russell)

The statement should include the following:
1. When will you include an Anti-Cheat system for COD2?
2. When you you release your 1st patch for COD2?
3. What will it include?
4. What other plans have you for the support of the Call of Duty Games?
5. What will you do to ensure this situation does not arise again?

Failure to comply with this very simple request will result in the following action:

We will actively encourage ALL Clans, Leagues, Ladders, Players, Admins and server providers to enforce a series of 24hr mass server shutdowns of all Call of duty games at a time of our choosing.

Don't take this lightly, word spreads, people won't buy a broken toy. This has never been done before and do you really want to go down as the first and only companies to have it's client/fan base take such drastic measures in order to simply be given some regular information about a product, the choice is yours alone.

WE WILL NOT BE IGNORED ANY LONGER.

last 10 comments:

devilhood	(11:43 PM CET - Nov,25 2005 )
more power to the community :)

jippo	(12:15 AM CET - Nov,26 2005 )
Amen to that !

Jelster

(03:12 AM CET - Nov,26 2005 )

Too right. I wish I had a server running now just so I could close it down. :)

I hope they stick with it and pull it off, I'd be surprised if it generates any more than a press release from Activision though.

End of the day IW can only do what they can do and they've proven in the past that they are not capable of punching out a stream of fast patches. Thats when they weren't supporting an X360 release (did they actually develope the x360 version?).

xxxx	(04:10 AM CET - Nov,26 2005 )
Having no problems playing here. Great fun.. 8) Didn't even know there was a petition going on actually on until I just read it here. :roll:

Anonymous	(05:12 AM CET - Nov,26 2005 )
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Jelster

(05:53 AM CET - Nov,26 2005 )

Hey if you're happy playing what is essentially CoD V1.00 with new graphics IW have obviously found their market. Personally I'd say you're in denial after pumping up on the game so much.

I ran a CoD 1 server and didn't appreciate the constant need to go to spec and watch players suspected of cheating. When punkbuster arrived those occasions we're greatly reduced.

When I played CoD 1 I got used to the weapon tweaks, balancing, nurfing introduced with every single patch. Now I'll have to do that all over again.

When I got CoD:UO I thought great, here's all the stuff they said they was going to patch into CoD when it first came out. I forgave them charging me for it because it was pretty damn fun. Now I'll be waiting on the announcement for the expansion pack.

To release a sequel and not learn from your past mistakes (the expansion pack, I'll give, is debatable) is a disgusting abuse of trust. IW didn't make changes people have taken exception too, they just pulled V1 CoD scripts and tagged them onto the new <cough> engine.

I hope this gets a lot of press and forces IW to work for their money or watch their CoD franchise sink like MOH did.

Nosferatu	(10:48 AM CET - Nov,26 2005 )
And someone out here claimed Valve provided zero support for consumers...

devilhood	(12:17 PM CET - Nov,26 2005 )
I've personally never seen such an uproar in a community before, I hope it forces IW to really pull their finger out. The Singleplayer is great anyways though... still sticking with F.E.A.R. and Civ4 for my multiplayer fix!

nb411	(03:16 PM CET - Nov,26 2005 )
Valve is awesome. I love Valve.

Nosferatu	(08:54 PM CET - Nov,26 2005 )
Valve brought me days of joy with HL1 and 2, they'll bring me even more days of joy in the future. I wish I could hug and thank every emploee in Valve :) I like COD1 and 2, not to the same degree as HL or FEAR or else, but thank you IW for them too. Great games! Still, the lack of support is a strange move.

xxxx

(06:22 AM CET - Nov,27 2005 )

As I said, I am VERY MUCH enjoying COD 2. Thank you. I don't know what cheats people are talking about cuz I always manage 4-1 ratio's. I think people just can't play a real shooter.

Props are like what barbies are for girls. HL2 doesn't have anything else. CS as usual is all HL2 without CS HL2 is nothing. I know why hl2 is addictive, it's got a rocket, so it can make the worst player a better player. Must be the attraction for these people. Again, girly weapon.. Tch tch tch.

Jelster

(08:29 AM CET - Nov,27 2005 )

How do cheats existing for CoD2 relate to your ratio? The point was the lack of AC encourages people to try and use cheats. The lack of AC means someone with rcon needs to spec players suspected of cheating, suspicions being higher when there isn't anticheat. Sorry but I'd rather be playing the game than droping to spec for 5-10 minutes to see if someone is cheating.

Not quite sure what your point is in the second paragraph. I think its an attempt to say anyone who disagrees with you is a girl (subconcious admission?). People probably like CS:S because erm, A LOT of people played CS. I somehow don't think having a rocket gun is top on their list of reasons to like a game.

Fact is IW have said squat about updates and thats hardly accecptable when there are problems that need to be addressed. Valve have at least a channel to update their customers even if they let them down on occasion.

devilhood	(04:39 PM CET - Nov,27 2005 )
xxxx, you always have to come from the perspective of an overly gifted fps player? :P

IRONMAN

(06:56 PM CET - Nov,27 2005 )

Is there much cheating in CoD2? You bet there is. Plenty of it. Way too much of it. The lack of anti-cheater technology has caused the game to become inundated with cheaters in record time. The game has been out a month, and already it's swamped with cheaters. Consequently, I do not bother playing CoD2 anymore, and will not unless some type of AC technology is added. I won't buy the mission pack either, unless it includes AC out of the box.

This is a lesson to all of us, and proof of something that I have been hawking about for years:

Games are full of cheater sissies. If you do not do something to stop them, the game will become undesirable for playing.

It is indeed a filthy misuse of customers' trust to make a game with cramped maps unworthy of much multiplayer fun, then to EXPECT them to "repurchase" the game in the form of a mission pack in order to have anti-cheater technology, and to have sensible multiplayer which includes gametypes other than CTF or the old, tired, and nowadays worthless DM or TDM. Why asnyone plays DM or TDM nowadays is beyond understanding. Why it is even included in games anymore is even less understandable. Perhaps it indicates a desire of game makers to make a game as cheaply as possible and as fast of a buck as possible, at our expense.

But then to push the knife in deeper, they leave out anti-cheater protection. In my mind, this is nothing more than extortion. They left out AC technology as a selling point for the mission pack. This is an example of truly unethical business practices. Can you imagine a visit to a car dealership under such practices:

"Sir, did you want your new car to have seats and a steering wheel? If so, you need to buy the Sports Package to get them. It's price is only equal to the car itself. What a deal eh!"

I will, and I suggest that others from now forward check to see if the game they are considering buying includes AC technology right out of the box. If it does not, do not buy it. Naturally, many games do not include it, but this sends a powerful message to unscrupulous game makers: That we do not want your games if you do not make a serious effort to keep it playable so that we get our money's worth from your product.

IRONMAN

(07:55 PM CET - Nov,27 2005 )

xxxx> I don't know what cheats people are talking about cuz I always manage 4-1 ratio's. I think people just can't play a real shooter.

I've heard that before, many times. It's always empty. Not the 4-1 part, because that's a bit exaggerated. I often rank No. 1, seldom less than No. 5 or 6 in a busy server in CoDUO when I play the map tourney from the start, but 4-1 is part reality, part fantasy. A consistent 4-1 would give you a score 2-3 times higher than most highly skilled players ...and that just does not happen without illegal assists. It just doesn't.

Now unless you are camping with a sniper rifle and never go afoot into the combat, and therefore end up making fewer kills than most of the players on the server, 4-1 isn't going to happen consistently for anyone. It might for 15 minutes under the right circumstances, but it won't for the map tourney, that much is certain. otherwise you'd have a score of 200 where most skilled players have scores of 70. We've all seen that too. But then, we also know how that's possible too. :roll:

Nonetheless, when someone says "I don't know what cheaters you're talking about." I can only assume one of two possibilities for such a comment:

1. They are a cheater.
2. They are not experienced enough or bright enough to tell that the guy that keeps headshooting them from 40 meters with the first 3 bullets from his SMG, without fail, is using something other than skill.

The Outlaw	(08:13 PM CET - Nov,27 2005 )
Wat I dont get is that y the hell does the developer allow cheat codes in the first place. And if ppl are so mad at them in the very first month of the games release you wudnt expect the game to do very well.

devilhood

(08:57 PM CET - Nov,27 2005 )

The Outlaw> Wat I dont get is that y the hell does the developer allow cheat codes in the first place. And if ppl are so mad at them in the very first month of the games release you wudnt expect the game to do very well.

A bit of a simplistic outlook you took there, but no, the problem is that they never included PunkBuster or stuff that can prevent hooks and the usual exploitive aimbot super human rubbish that is associated with FPS games.
It has very little to do with the 'cheat codes' that the developers have left in the game :)

The Outlaw	(10:32 PM CET - Nov,27 2005 )
Well I am a very simple man, hehe :D Well I wanted to say the same thing as you did, my point was the develpoer should avoid code to be exploited that easily. And that once again comes down to AC.

devilhood	(11:54 PM CET - Nov,27 2005 )
assembly programming language all the way :lol:

xxxx	(03:36 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )
edited since there is lamebots..

xxxx	(03:50 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )
edited since there is lamebots.

devilhood	(04:25 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )
Why should any CoD2 player provide proof to one individual when you have entire clans of 60+ members agreeing with the situation? Instead of being outspoken here, you should really post your request and concerns on the IW forum; you're more likely going to get the kind of proof you're asking for.

No.21

(04:56 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )

Well...u pretty much have the answer there urself XXXX. Why dont "you" Google? Its more like you have to prove that there are no/little cheaters. Where is your figuers? Check out CoD/UO.
No, please try to prove that there are almost none cheaters. Otherwise, brighten up and realise.

LOL, ofcourse they are "rampant" nothing to control with in global/bigger scale/broad. Only by spectating or checking those stupid msgs. And locally ban em.

Its about CoD2, not Valve and their game series. VAC2 is created and maintained by Valve for Valve.

Check out www.punksbusted.com and Master Ban List.

nightporter	(05:16 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )
My multi player has NEVER worked in C.O.D 2. Wheres the patch.

xxxx	(05:53 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )
edit. since there is lamebots.

xxxx

(07:59 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )

I take it back there is a cheat. Whoppe, wont stop me from playing. Obviously the cheat is so little in circulation(get this, a european is selling it for 25 pounds). Guess I'm just used to playing with cheaters. I played in HL long enough to know you can't defeat em just got to live with em. Live with it. COD 2 is such a good game I just didn't care. I have 8 sites now with links to the aimbot and 2 that are selling it. My conversation with one of the programmers.

Me: Dude, there's people crying that there is an aimbot in COD2 and _ isn't telling me there is one, as a matter of fact the pussy is ignoring me. Come on man, let me know. I play this game now, not that POS HL2. Is there or isn't there a cheat for COD2. I just posted on ggmania there isn't.

Friend: You're wasting your time dude on COD2, PB is laughable, if and when they get PB we'll insert code to bypass PB just like we did in COD 1 and whatever joke of AC they put in. We have lots of demand for these things and it's our job to make sure our clients get what they want. But we don't charge anyone. Go here _ and here _ for it if u don't wanna f_ck your machine.

Friend: Are you gonna run to Infinity with this?

Me: Does it really matter? I gave up posting about ur cheats man. Lame you have to do these things man but I guess I have to understand your angle. It's a business, lol.

Me: When I realized it was pointless and lots of effort to inform Valve, those stupid a__holes banned me I don't bother informing anyone anymore. Christ I even sent em various videos. At least they didn't hate me enough to ban my steamid from playing. Guess they weren't brilliant enough to know it was me in the video using the aimbot. Gabe always was such a idiot.

Me: I saw the HL2 bot is up to 9500 and counting downloads! How F'ing sad is that eh..? lmao.

Me: You there?

Me: Yo! You there..:) :p :S

Me: Ok man, gtg thanks for the info. Have to say I'm only a wee bit surprised! Usually I'm the one to call someone out as a cheat. Tell _ not to ignore me and be such a baby. If he doesn't want to talk to me, then I'll just delete him. Hasn't talked to me in months!

Friend: Sorry dude, busy, back now though.

Friend: Ya he got a divorce etc so he's kinda in a pissy mood, don't think it's you.

Me: K well, like 10mins ago, I gtg, talk to you later tonite man maybe we can try cheat out tonite on my server. I just want to see how it works and lock server. Hopefully it doesn't mess up my COD2.

Friend: see ya tonite mate!

Me: Yup, I hope so! Hey is it as good as the HL2 one?

Friend: about the same, ya

Me: lates!!

(sorry took a long time to reformat) But oh well, so there is cheats for COD 2. I haven't noticed or cared. Certainly hasn't affect my playing. And yep, I got the cheat and I'm gonna test it tonite and see how good it is. Probably sucks.

devilhood	(10:06 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )
Revelation revelation Moses Moses!

No.21

(10:08 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )

And by testing it, what do you prove? And you wrote that you are already good, so, why do you bother?
You got number on how many that does use cheats?

You "dont" care or affected you? Shiiitt, you do realise that others are/will. Because there are cheats and pathetic ppl use em, it create,s less satisfaction, which mean,s less players and their gaming time reduced(willingness). And their eyes and mind open for other games that can fulfill their wants. You dig?

Crying? Atleast they have realised/know what an AC can bring. Less cheaters and less admin work. Making it easier.
And about their so called clients: They are a bunch of pathetic fools.

"PB just like we did in COD 1 and whatever joke of AC they put in. We have lots of demand for these things and it's our job to make sure our clients get what they want. But we don't charge anyone."
Yes there are cheat tool makers that charge people. If they want an none public released cheat tool. Explains much why there are bans made by PB for the public released ones.
Not an joke.

xxxx

(10:31 PM CET - Nov,28 2005 )

I don't think you understand. I know the guys who write the cheats. The idiots selling the cheats stole the cheat off their site and for the LAZY that don't go find it for themselves they go buy it. Private written cheats.. LOL!! Whatever. If that's what people think by paying for cheats they are getting something others aren't.. Well that's their problem. A laughable one at that.

I go and test the cheats privately on my own server so I can be accustomed to how it works, find the subtlties. So I turn it on, my friend turns it on and we note the movement characteristics, or gun movements such that we are familiar with it when we are playing in game. Just like I know how or who has an aimbot in HL2. You don't get to be the best acting like a Church ass kisser saying I wont touch it, cuz YOU lose. ALL the best players check out the cheats because by knowing how they work is the only way you can advance ahead of them.

But when a cheat gets too rampant and the developer like VALVE doesn't give a rats ass and is too much of a bunch of Aholes to inform their community there "is" cheats still floating around such as the Aimbot and Wallhack. I just don't bother with the game. In COD2 the cheat is not RAMPANT or I certainly haven't been owned yet to even think there was. That's why I didn't think there was an aimbot. Firstly, I usually informed with screenshots from my friends or, I receive it in my email or I really start noticing people are acting weird in game. But in COD2, I haven't noticed that which is odd. But makes sense. The aimbot and wallhack has only been available for just over a week and it's not overly available because it's only a 'work in progress' version.

Anyhow, I don't need to lecture you on what I do on my own server or how I know or get info on the cheats. There is an aimbot for COD2 and I play lots of places and I'm in 2 COD 2 clans. We have not seen the cheat or suspected anyone of using them. Your whining and your petition is going nowhere. Infinity Ward is working with PB to get it implemented and it's just 15 year olds that are impatient are having little sucky fits because they are getting owned and now have a vehicle to blame their lack of skills on.

And just to update you. The writers of the aimbot are waiting for PB to come out for COD2 so they can bypass it just as they've already done in COD 1. Course I'm sure you knew there was an active aimbot+ wallhack in COD1 right. Still in use and not detected. Of course, you guys knew that. But what do you care of COD 1 right.. F that, lets concern ourselves with what YOU are playing now..

Face it. Cheats will always be around and any developer claiming to have blocked em, is just lying. You can believe your anti-cheat is working but you're a fool. There are active hackers out there just like my friends who spend their time bypassing each and every obstacle. So you might as well just give up pc gaming and get a console.

No.21

(12:03 AM CET - Nov,29 2005 )

Right.....obviously it seems like you dont know how severe cheat tool makers can implict on popular FPS game. And if you know "all" of them, then why dont you try to make em realise and make it better for all the gamers, instead of making it unbalanced.

"I go and test the cheats privately on my own server so I can be accustomed to how it works, find the subtlties."
You have a point there, but, not for the casual/usual player/gamer. Its more for those that are more interested in busting pathetic cheaters like in leagues/ladders etc.

"ALL the best players check out the cheats because by knowing how they work is the only way you can advance ahead of them."
Ahead how? By just "knowing" them?

"But when a cheat gets too rampant and the developer like VALVE doesn't give a rats ass and is too much of a bunch of Aholes to inform their community there "is" cheats still floating around such as the Aimbot and Wallhack. I just don't bother with the game."
Ah good. Now you do realise why that protest was made up. If things continue it will become "too rampant", it is rampant(check a dictionary) already.

" Firstly, I usually informed with screenshots from my friends or, I receive it in my email or I really start noticing people are acting weird in game."
I assume screenshots made/fetched by PB.

"The aimbot and wallhack has only been available for just over a week and it's not overly available because it's only a 'work in progress' version."
Excatly...."just" is a word that fits well.

"Anyhow, I don't need to lecture you on what I do on my own server or how I know or get info on the cheats."
Did i ask for to be lectured?

"We have not seen the cheat or suspected anyone of using them. Your whining and your petition is going nowhere."
Hahaha, check the forums. Going nowhere? Nowhere = As in your assumption with little logic by measuring and thinking about the magnitude its at. Look from the brightside what it can bring. Whining? There was a petition about PB before the game was launched.

"And just to update you. The writers of the aimbot are waiting for PB to come out for COD2 so they can bypass it just as they've already done in COD 1."
And you are sure that they are going with PB? Got an link on that? Well, if the cheats are public, then PB will most certainly pick em up and fish the cheaters in. I just hope that more server admins use the AMBL.

"I'm sure you knew there was an active aimbot+ wallhack in COD1 right. Still in use and not detected."
That i dont know, depends on much if its public and PB picked it up.

"Face it. Cheats will always be around and any developer claiming to have blocked em, is just lying. You can believe your anti-cheat is working but you're a fool. There are active hackers out there just like my friends who spend their time bypassing each and every obstacle. So you might as well just give up pc gaming and get a console."

Well if you are an such a pessimist, why do you keep on playing CoD2?
I dont expect them to do an miracle work. So buy releasing their cheats publicly they might be stopped, and probably will(depends on if PB got hold of it). If the game is using PB.
And i rather be an optimist than an pessimist like you in this matter and things around.
Why dont the cheat tool makers make an AC and try to prove that PB is crap by far then?

Jelster

(05:44 AM CET - Nov,29 2005 )

xxxx> I don't think you understand. I know the guys who write the cheats. The idiots selling the cheats stole the cheat off their site and for the LAZY that don't go find it for themselves they go buy it. Private written cheats.. LOL!! Whatever. If that's what people think by paying for cheats they are getting something others aren't.. Well that's their problem. A laughable one at that.

No this is laughable...

IWNation link posted.
You read forum posts regarding cheats.
see a couple of pictures.
spend a day making up a fake chat session.
post it here for kudos/ridicule

Here's the reality.

We know there are cheats thanks, thats why people want an AC solution.
We know PB is not unbeatable but it does catch and hardware ban idiots who "try" the cheats out.
People who pay or otherwise obtain a unique cheat which is harder to ban publicly will still have to be monitored by an admin and banned manually.
Guess what, we all know this because we read public forums.

Geez you get a plastic decoder ring when you join your super secret gang? :lol:

IRONMAN

(06:20 AM CET - Nov,29 2005 )

xxxx> Obviously the cheat is so little in circulation(get this, a european is selling it for 25 pounds). ... I played in HL long enough to know you can't defeat em just got to live with em. Live with it. COD 2 is such a good game I just didn't care. I have 8 sites now with links to the aimbot and 2 that are selling it.

But oh well, so there is cheats for COD 2. I haven't noticed or cared. And yep, I got the cheat and I'm gonna test it tonite and see how good it is. Probably sucks.

Ok, so you know the guys who made the aimbot for CoD2. Why do you know them? Why do you have links to 8 sites that are distributing it?

And you are wrong, you can defeat cheat users if you are skilled. I did it for 3 years in Quake2. There was nobody I could not beat in that game, and ambots were rampant in that game. OK, bragging a bit, but it's true that you can defeat aimbots. Especially at closer range. Aimbots are highly effective at distance, but not as good at close range.

xxxx> I don't think you understand. I know the guys who write the cheats.

Yea, you've told us this already. You seem proud to know them so well. Dude, I'm begining to wonder about you.

xxxx>
I go and test the cheats privately on my own server so I can be accustomed to how it works, find the subtlties.

Really.

xxxx> You don't get to be the best acting like a Church ass kisser saying I wont touch it, cuz YOU lose. ALL the best players check out the cheats because by knowing how they work is the only way you can advance ahead of them.

Nonsence. You are probably not the best, but even if you were, you don't need to install and test cheats to combat them. All you have to do is either play exceedingly well against them, knowing they likely have the cheat, or play on another server or not play the game at all.

ALL THE BEST PLAYERS DO NOT INSTALL CHEATS TO TEST THEM.
Wrong kiddo. I'm an excellent player, and I never install that trash to test it. neither do many skilled players. Again, I'm wondering about you. You seem almost defensive about the aimbot thing.

xxxx> In COD2 the cheat is not RAMPANT or I certainly haven't been owned yet to even think there was. That's why I didn't think there was an aimbot.

Dude, you just said you didn't think there was an aimbot for CoD2, but you are repeatedly bragging about how you know at least 8 sites that distribute it? And you brag about knowing the guys that write the thing? You're full of crap. Now I know I have real reason to wonder about you.

Yes, cheating in CoD2 IS rampant right now. If PB is released for it, the cheating will go down dramatically. No, it won't dissapear, but once PB figures out how a cheat is skirting them, they will re-write PB, and then the cheaters skirt it again, and then PB rewrites. It's a circle. That's how it works. PB has done a lot to help keep cheating down in CoDUO, for example.

xxxx> Firstly, I usually informed with screenshots from my friends or, I receive it in my email or I really start noticing people are acting weird in game. But in COD2, I haven't noticed that which is odd.

Really? I've noticed a lot of cheating in CoD2. You say you don't think it exists, then you say you know 8 sites distributing it. Then you say you know the guys who make it. Then you say you don't notice anything fishy, even though you say you've instralled the cheat just to "test it".

You're full of crap, somewhere in there is crap.

xxxx> But makes sense. The aimbot and wallhack has only been available for just over a week and it's not overly available because it's only a 'work in progress' version.

Yea, we know how informed you are on the aimbot and who makes it hnd how to install it and all that. You've told us 4 times already.

xxxx> Anyhow, I don't need to lecture you on what I do on my own server or how I know or get info on the cheats. There is an aimbot for COD2 and I play lots of places and I'm in 2 COD 2 clans. We have not seen the cheat or suspected anyone of using them.

Here's a tip: Sometimes an entire clan uses a particular cheat. Sometimes. One out of so many clans is nothing more than cheater sissies. Not all of them, but some are.

xxxx> Your whining and your petition is going nowhere. Infinity Ward is working with PB to get it implemented and it's just 15 year olds that are impatient are having little sucky fits because they are getting owned and now have a vehicle to blame their lack of skills on.

Whining? Now we are whinning because PB was not included in the game?

15 year olds? Dude, I'm 44 years old and better than most, but I'm not whinning. I'm telling the truth. We all are. You sound bitter. Are you being stomped by 40-50 year olds while using that aimbot you know so much about, and now you're sore about it?

xxxx> And just to update you. The writers of the aimbot are waiting for PB to come out for COD2 so they can bypass it just as they've already done in COD 1.

Ahhh. Again, we see how informed about it you are! Read my above comment about how PB goes back and forth with cheaters.

xxxx> Face it. Cheats will always be around and any developer claiming to have blocked em, is just lying. You can believe your anti-cheat is working but you're a fool.

Bitter aren't we! Yea, PB actually does work much of the time against many cheats. it's not perfect, but it beats nothing, and that's what pisses off the community... because IW did not care enough to impliment it.

xxxx> There are active hackers out there just like my friends who spend their time bypassing each and every obstacle..

You friends eh? And you only install these cheats your friends make to test them eh? And still you are bitter.

Dude, you're full of crap. You weren't bright enough to keep your mouth shut. You're in the wrong forum. I suggest you find one for bitter young men who use cheats and are disgusted because they are still getting smoked in the game by guys old enough to be your daddy.

Jelster> Geez you get a plastic decoder ring when you join your super secret gang? :lol:

LMAO! Excellent dude. I like that. :lol:

devilhood	(07:54 AM CET - Nov,29 2005 )
Just thought I'd bump in and mention that there is a petition here: http://new.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?cod2pb with an already staggering 15,731 signitures. Guess it's a slightly more obvious and statistical way of making IW notice the outcry.

IRONMAN	(08:51 AM CET - Nov,29 2005 )
Excellent! Thanks for posting that. I signed it, and I hope numerous others do too.

Nosferatu	(10:09 PM CET - Nov,29 2005 )
"Geez you get a plastic decoder ring when you join your super secret gang? Laughing" I just burst in tears!!! Ha-ha-ha! My cheek-bones ached. Thanks for the good laugh, Jelster. Just wanted to contribute that serious (relatively) CS players I know never play with cheats. That's a fact which lets me presume most other skilled players do just the same.

Jelster

(12:08 AM CET - Dec,03 2005 )

Thanks Ironman for saying what I couldn't without inducing a ban. :)

For what its worth I signed the petition too, it can't hurt.

And on the subject of cheaters perhaps we should look at Casinos. Where cheaters still exist despit millions of dollars worth of investment. Do they just give up and go "oh well, lets just live with it" of course not, they certainly don't open a second casino without at least the same measures either. Yet for some reason we're expected to do so with CoD2.

Somewhere in there is a point. :)

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