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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 3:39 pm    Post subject: Intel 10th Gen Core X [49151] Reply with quote

owed with 1 MB of dedicated L2 cache per core, and 19.25 MB of shared L3 cache.

The Core i9-10920XE is a $689 12-core/24-thread chip priced under AMD's upcoming flagship AM4 model, the Ryzen 9 3950X. It's marginally faster than its predecessor, the i9-9920X, with 3.50 GHz base clocks (same), 4.60 GHz Turbo Boost 2.0

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

lol @ all-core turbo
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? That's what caught your eye? How about a nuclear plant TDP ? Very Happy Will they ship it with chiller or LN2 tanks and tube mount? Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TDP is at the end.
I stopped reading at "all-core turbo"; these CPUs are joke.
I either get the turbo boost on all cores or there's no sale.
Go build stupid CPUs for dummies.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 04, 2019 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Csimbi wrote:
TDP is at the end.
I stopped reading at "all-core turbo"; these CPUs are joke.
I either get the turbo boost on all cores or there's no sale.
Go build stupid CPUs for dummies.


Turbo Boost was always like that. It was listed for one core, always. Nothing that you can't fix in BIOS if you didn't save 20 eur by not buying Z motherboard.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Correct, even the 4790k boosted to only ~4.2 instead of 4.4.
But the difference of 200Mhz is not that big.
But when you look here, it's 4.3 instead of 4.7.
The gap is growing greater - it is close to 500Mhz.
That's something that you're going to "feel" even if you have 10 cores.

Peeps who buy these CPUs are not gamers and alike.
Whoever buys these will run serious multithreaded shit.
Think AWS, Google, Microsoft with massive data centers.
These people might be better off with an AMD 16/24/32core CPU at lower clock speeds. They'll save vast amounts on facility cooling and power consumption.
And from that it's clean: these "new" CPUs are just a bunch of beauty pageant contestants, to move the focus away from the fact that Intel has nothing new to show, really.

I've been saying for a long time that without competition, Intel deliberately stopped innovating and has been capitalizing on minor iterations using their monopoly.
It's well within their rights of course, but now they'll fall on their face on the account of being too greedy.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

the gap is big because of the core count and TDP. If they use almost 200W in this state, imagine them all @4.7 or god forbid 5ghz all-core Very Happy
I didn't read up too much on it, I would have to see the die area and how big the surface area on top of it is. Cooling ~400W ain't a joke (well, it is actually, this is hilarious knee jerk move from intel in response to AMD)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 12:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Will keep your feet warm on those chilly winter nights Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea, if one could find a mobo that can deliver 300~400W to CPU Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 9:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here, this might be relevant.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 10:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like intel might drop prices even more. I am fine with my current cpu (9400F) but looks like 9600K might be interesting soon if they price it reasonably (not that I need a faster a CPU, even for work, but heh, why not Razz)
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

gx-x wrote:
looks like intel might drop prices even more. I am fine with my current cpu (9400F) but looks like 9600K might be interesting soon if they price it reasonably (not that I need a faster a CPU, even for work, but heh, why not Razz)


FYI, I already have 9600K Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 05, 2019 11:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a good CPU, I was just not willing to pay ~150 eur more over 9400F (~125e ) when I was in the market. (and I am still not willing to pay 100e more for it, it's just not worth that to me)
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This does not look good for Intel at all.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well, their current 14nm does everything AMD 10nm does so they are fine for last gen and not really fine for above 8 core CPU models but not that behind (which tells you something about how far behind AMD WAS).
The thing is, AMD changes one tech in 10 years while intel milks existing one with minor improvements until AMD makes something new.
What I am trying to say is, AMD is in a bit of a lead now, but they are competing with almost 8+ year old intel tech. Come 2022, AMD will be "dead" again. Until then, really for consumer market, ryzen 2600/3600 or i5/7 2600/2700 is also fine. I just don't see major thing happening there on desktop.

Also:
https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hardwareluxx.de%2Findex.php%2Fnews%2Fhardware%2Fprozessoren%2F51128-insider-geruechte-intel-streicht-10-nm-plaene-fuer-den-desktop-komplett.html

this can be read by non-German speaking readers. Smile

PS. Keep in mind intel does in-house fab, so they cannot afford to have 14nm, 10nm, 7nm and even 18nm fabs in house for everything. They just don't outsource since they offer more than just CPUs. Their new iGP will be ready for next year and new CPU line,and every iGP will rival AMD G series CPU, which is...big actually in mobile market, since Vega is power hungry and hot. Just for perspective : you can play cs:go and such games on G series AMD so this will be big for intel, specially since power req. will be lower so will temps.
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