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Doom 3
(hx) 04:16 AM CEST - Aug,09 2004

I've just finished playing through Doom 3, one of the most highly anticipated PC games in the past several years. Sure, I could have ripped through it faster, but I think I enjoyed it a lot more this way. I had fun playing the game from start to finish, which I think is a pretty amazing accomplishment for a +20-hour game. So, I am not disappointed and here is my brief review.

While the original Doom had a very simple plot of a demon attack on two moons of Mars, the story in Doom 3 is the most convincing and complete one that id Software has provided yet. As you may have expected, Doom 3 starts off on Mars. You play the role of voiceless 22nd-century space marine called by the Union Aerospace Corporation (UAC) to its Mars research facility beset with mysterious problems. After landing, and making your way to the commander of the base, your first assignment is to undercover the disappearance of a scientist. After reaching the first goal, the gates of Hell being opened before your eyes and you are left fighting for your life and the future of mankind....Hell on Mars!

The graphics and level design are nothing but stunning. The dynamic shadows and lighting are superb and raise the benchmark for all other games. Doom 3's engine is definitely the best I have ever seen at rendering dynamic lights and shadows. The Mars base looks very industrial and depressing. The rooms inside are pretty realistic and have lots of equipment, pipes, grills and heavy duty animated machinery everywhere. It is interesting to walk through the different areas and just look at everything. Also cutscenes are very well done and add a lot of atmosphere to the game. It helps that most times when a crazy cutscene hits you are immediately attacked by evil monsters thereafter... it makes you really dread it when you see the cutscenes coming... :) Those with the latest graphics cards (GeForce 6800 / X800) will enjoy every nuance of this graphical experience. Fortunately, you don't have to buy these latest cards to be able to play the game. There are 4 video quality settings: "Ultra quality" - no texture compression - 512MB card, "High quality" - specular and diffuse compressed, none for normal maps - 256MB Card, "Medium quality" - All textures are compressed - 128 MB card and "Low quality" - All textures are compressed and possibly downsized - 64 MB Card. Trust me, the graphics look pretty good even on my old system (Athlon 2500/1GB RAM + GF4 Ti 4600/128). My game settings were 1024x768/32 and Medium quality and it was surprisingly fully playable. Well, I've noticed some slowdown here and there (when several monsters were on the screen), but nonetheless I was impressed with what I saw. Of course, I cannot wait to play the game once again with some Athlon 64 and GeForce 6800 :)

Here are some Doom 3 Ultra Quality Screenshots 2048x1536, 8AF, 16AA (thanks Valhalla)

The sound design in Doom 3 is probably the best I've ever heard in a game. The sound effects ranging from scary footsteps, strange voices, whispering, whisking, beeping, thumping, groaning, ambient mechanical noise, and wicked weapon effects (especially the shotgun rocks). The ambient sounds will have you looking in every fuckin corner of every damn room in no time. You can hear footsteps in the dark and hear people sneaking up on you in some cases. There isn't really much in-game music most of the time, but it is not really needed when so much else is going on with the audio in the game. I don't have a true surround sound setup to play the game on, so I've just switched to a set of digital USB headphones, and the effect has been fantastic. I'm sure that the auditory enjoyment would be even more greatly enhanced with a 5.1 system.

If there is one thing that Doom 3 does well, it is atmosphere. As I mentioned above, the game is a masterful piece of shadowy work with lighting effects galore throughout the level. There are a total of 27 levels which contains a lot of scripted events which help tie the storyline together. Much of the game's story is discovered by finding various employee's PDA found throughout the levels. You'll be able to download security clearances, read email, listen to voice recordings, and discover key codes to unlock hidden compartments. You couldn't go through the game without it. The primary new element in Doom 3 is a level of darkness. In a game where you're constantly covered in darkness you'll learn to love (or hate) your flashlight pretty soon - you need to use the flashlight in order to see where you are going in dark places. Speaking of weapons, the DOOM arsenal defined the standard set of weapons - your fists, flashlight, pistol, shotgun, machine gun, chaingun, grenades, plasma-gun, rocket launcher, chainsaw, soul cube (you can then use it to instantly kill a demon, it transfers the health from the creature you have just slaughtered into you) and BFG. The controls are standard fare and include crouching and a weak zoom mode for all weapons. Unfortunately, there are no secondary fire modes that you would expect in modern FPS. Besides, you can't have your flashlight + weapon out at the same time. Luckily, Glen "FrenZon" Murphy already created a Doom 3 mod called "Duct Tape" (download) which sticks flashlights to your machinegun and shotgun.

The pacing of this game has clearly been well planned. The surprises are many and creepy moments are punctuated by eerie lighting and creepy, distant sounds. There are scripted sequences with lights failing and monsters breaking through glass or charging through doors in attempts to kill you. Enemies appear from nowhere, out of the smallest crevices that you would never expect anything to be able to hide in. There are many times that you'll be surrounded by monsters and you will have to be conservative on ammo as there's little to be found between the waves of monsters. Doom 3 has a massive number of monsters that you'll come across. Most of the monsters use completely different attacks. There're various Zombies, Imps, Lost Souls (flying heads), Pinky Demons, Hell Knights, Trites (spiders), Cacodemons, etc. The AI is pretty straightforward - zombies and other monsters either lumber slowly towards you in an attempt to get their next meal or jump straight at you. The possessed marines are slightly more intelligent then the vast majority of the monsters escaped from hell, and they will seek cover and fire from there, but even this they do at random intervals. There's no doubt that the AI Crytek's Far Cry surpasses that of Doom.

There are four difficulty levels to play on - Recruit, Marine, Veteran and Nightmare. You have to beat the game first before Nightmare is unlocked. The harder difficulty means more monsters that are harder to kill and inflict more damage. The game takes about 25 hours to complete on medium difficulty.

What about multiplayer? Doom 3 is currently shipping with only 5 multiplayer maps: Tomiko Reactor, Delta Lab, Frag Chamber, The Edge 2, and Lights Out. By default you can only play each of these maps with four players in one of 4 game modes including Deathmatch, Team Deathmatch, Last Man Standing and Tournament (two marines battle one-on-one while others watch and wait as spectators. When the battle's over, the first spectator in line becomes the new opponent while the loser moves to the end of the spectator line. The victor remains in the combat arena until defeated by another man). Surprisingly, there's no Capture the Flag mode. I look forward to some mods and patches for the multiplayer portion of the game to enhance the replay value.

Overall, Doom 3 is technically and artistically a brilliant piece of work and delivers exactly what it is supposed to. Doom 3 may not be innovative, but the incredible level design, atmosphere, and attention to detail make it a very good first person shooter. I would highly recommend this game to everyone, especially those who have played the previous installments.

Minimum System Requirements: Windows 2000/XP, Pentium 4 1.5 GHz or Athlon XP 1500+ processor, 384MB RAM, 8x Speed CD-ROM drive (1200KB/sec sustained transfer rate) and latest drivers, 2.2GB of uncompressed free hard disk space (plus 400MB for Windows swap file), 100% DirectX(r) 9.0b compatible 16-bit sound card and latest drivers, 100% Windows 2000/XP compatible mouse, keyboard and latest drivers, DirectX 9.0b (included), 3D hardware Accelerator Card Required - 100% DirectX 9.0b compatible 64MB Hardware Accelerated video card and the latest drivers (ATI Radeon 8500, 9000, 9500, 9600, 9700, 9800, GeForce 3/4/FX/6800)
Multiplayer Requirements: Internet (TCP/IP) and LAN (TCP/IP) play supported, Internet play requires broadband connection and latest drivers, LAN play requires network interface card and latest drivers


Note: I've captured all screenshots on Nvidia GeForce Ti 4600/128 ("medium" graphics, 1024x768 without AA).


snd: 5/5 - top-notch, great effects, music and voice-acting
gfx: 5/5 - truly stunning and scary, impressive animations and special effects, well rendered player models, incredibly well done level design, very few destructible items and objects, a little too dark at points
playability: 5/5 - excellent, creepy and scary atmosphere, +20 hours of gameplay, pretty stable, multiplayer up to 4 players LAN/Internet, mediocre AI, high price
genre: sci-fi horror FPS
platform: PC (3CDs)
release: August 2004
developer: id Software
publisher: Activision (homepage)
Excellent
Overall: 91%


last 10 comments:

th4t1guy(04:46 AM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
I find it funny how this game gets a 91% and yet Farcry pulls off a 95%! Seriously, what the hell was hx thinking when he reviewed Farcry? Overrated just like every other fatcat gaming site out there.

I've lost my faith in trusting reviews on this website.

CaptStar(05:09 AM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
First of all 1-post moron, hx makes really good reviews. He practically runs this website by himself. I find this website better than gamespot and gamespy because hx gets his news fast.
And find me one thing about Doom 3 that sucks.

th4t1guy(05:19 AM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Not everyone is keen on registering to add a comment (this site used to not require such B.S.), but when I see crap like this flying around, I have to say something. I won't disagree with the review on Doom3, but Farcry? Come on! The game is sloppy, full of bugs (they even recalled the 1.2 patch, wtf?) the gameplay tiresome, and the multiplayer is horrible. I guess this is the type of review quality to expect when you blow through games on minimal difficulty, but I smell bullshit and I'm calling it.

Samadama(05:47 AM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
I just ordered mine........14.95 dollars, but I do have to agree Far Cry is CRAP. :D .... good thing I only paid 14.95 :wink: . I think if I hear what xxxx is saying and other people than I probably wont like this game I mean I already don't like the fact that a lot of people are saying that the game is too dark. :shock: ... what is this I mean what happened to all of the lights...... or atleast he should be able to hold the light in one hand and the gun with the other.......... some body should come up with a mod or something..... WHAT WE HAVE HERE IS A FALIURE TO SEE....(it doesn't quite sound right....oh well :D )

Samadama(06:04 AM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Glen "FrenZon" Murphy already created a Doom 3 mod called "Duct Tape" (download) which sticks flashlights to your machinegun and shotgun....... :oops: .....DOOOOOOOOPE.........sorrrrry.. :lol: ... :lol:

That's what i call SUPERSERVICE.

FX5900(08:50 AM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Far Cry is sloppy, but it's not that bad. You probably have a crap system and that's why you're bitching about it.

WilderWein(09:48 AM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Ppl., the thing with the flashlight keeps the game interessting. Sure, it is more EASY to play with falsh-allways-on, but somehow it kills atmosphere too. There´s nothing more chilling than seen an opponent, switching to shotgun .. only to see nothing but the red light of a fireball hurling at you or firing blindly at the dark space between your health and the claws of a zombie. :)

BTW., for all those knowing Doom2 pretty good, there are not only the same weapons and monsters (mostly) like in the good ol´ times, there a quiete some scenes which were portated to Doom3. Besides beeing close to shock every time something whisels or taps around, my jaw dropped seeing some locations beeing totaly the same as in doom2 - even the hidden places. They even keep the hurting short jump-distance. Oh, and there is one thing hx doesn´t mentioned: The berserk-mode. From time to time events or a injection transfers the player in it - using the chainsaw or the fists then is a real desaster for all hell out there. :D

As for the FC vs. D3 thing - FC is an outdoor game and as such it´s the best out there. D3 is an indoor game and as such it´s the best out there too. ;)

sirsmithy(03:18 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
20 hours!!! :x thats a rip off i wont buy it then

i dont understand why its so short. A good game should be at least 50-100hrs what iam i paying for???

I will play it sometime when my 6800nvda comes in, :D till then ill go find a friend thats finised it
i just hope half life 2 is longer :(

shame, i waited so long to play something so short :x

gordho(03:24 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
50-100 hours? your a crack smoker. yes, it would be great if a single player fps did have this much gameplay but you only see that type of game time in an rpg.

lucas(03:33 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
sirsmithy> 20 hours!!! :x thats a rip off i wont buy it then

i dont understand why its so short. A good game should be at least 50-100hrs what iam i paying for???

I will play it sometime when my 6800nvda comes in, :D till then ill go find a friend thats finised it
i just hope half life 2 is longer :(

shame, i waited so long to play something so short :x


<sarcasm>yeah, because more is ALWAYS better </sarcasm>

I'd rather 20 hours of GOOD game play than 50-100 of boring repetitive shit, a.k.a. halo. I'm sure it would be a great game if they hadn't decided it needed to be longer and "cut and paste" the levels to make them longer

sirsmithy(03:46 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
gordho:

i know thats why i normally only play rpg's
morrowind, scared, nwn etc..it just feels like you get your moneys worth

half life 1 took me about 40hrs the first time and then you had day of defeat etc wow talk about your unlimited play time...

i dont like to work for a day then pay for a game that i finish off in one saturday. at least they could add some puzzles or something to use your head in the game in stead of your figure only!

there are a few good fps that take a while eg: painkiller ,
that one i enjoyed

xxxx(03:46 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
It's a decent enough review but I can't believe HX gives credit to AI in Farcry. You must be a really bad FPS player HX, that's the only thing I can see. I chalked up the bad AI in Doom3 to the fact most are walking dead or creatures and not human, thus the dumb AI. The soldiers are not bad when it comes to AI, yet pretty easy to kill none the less. To take away marks for AI when you are fighting undead, seems pretty stupid to me.

I agree with a lot of HX, points but in terms of graphics, I swear that you people are god damn blind. Maybe I should write a mod for UT that totally blocks out everything with darkness so I can hide crap textures, paint shadows on things to give em a darker look etc, or throw bitmap images of grates on the floor or how about fake wall pipes that are really painted on the wall. I mean, even in HX ultra shots you can still see these cheap ass textures on the wall(and i thought it was just me, lmao). AND SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THE BUMP MAPPING IS.

My score for this game is 8.0. It's a really good game, lots might say great graphics and that's true(to a degree) but remember you need a honker machine to run Ultra mode and it's a 20 hour game at best, or at least for HX :p

Some things for you to consider that "I" saw (5/6 hours playing).
-cheap textured walls, painted on pipes, buttons etc, yes at high quality too(eg. window looking outside, actually a bitmap)
-shottie can pretty much take any creature in 1 or 2 shots, why bother with rest of guns?
-the game is total darkness requiring you to constantly toggle flashlight and gun, so why not flashlight mounted on gun?(maybe later, who knows, part of the difficulty factor I guess). Darkness makes up for the bad AI.
-mp browser ingame sucks major butt. filters don't work.
-repetition graphics when you kill people, lets see, brain pops out or skeleton or digital breakdown.. those are generally the 3 ways they die
-creatures spawn from nowhere, oh oh stumpus wont like that, too much like Painkiller.
-"some" things are interactive, laptops can move others perma stuck to desk

There are some nifty Dx9 features in this game that add nice effects but if anyone says this game is a trend setting game in quality, you don't know shit about gaming. This is a average game that will be overhyped, overblown. I'm not saying it's a bad game, it's just not as good as people will make it out to be. Scary? maybe for some, not me. I personally don't think anything is more scary than Lucas or Maga's typing skills or sense of humor. Haha, nah, System Shock when that came out was scary. The latest Alien FPS was scary.. Doom3 is scary, but not as scary as my mentioned titles were.

Turn on UT2K4 graphics setting to High or above. Look at the walls and general textures. If you can't see that kick Doom3's ass then I give up. I'm not gonna trash Carmack because from what I have heard he's only had verbal input on this game not necessarily much in terms of coding and they obviously cut stuff out of game to save money likely fearing possible poor sales because how anyone today could release a game and gloat of the requirements to run his game when he has cheap bitmap wall textures is beyond me.

Something for others doing games. If you are gonna do a game, don't leave out the side graphics. See in doom3 you see his hands come up with the PDA? that's a very very nice tiny thing to add in a game. When you open doors and push panels, you should see your hand. when I first saw the PDA I thought, omg, he did these animations, COOOL. then I realized it's the only one they did... pfff. The game that will always remain in my brain that did this great was Duke Nukem..(at least it did it more)

anyhow, this is a decent game and worth the money, but is no way a 9 or more /10. This is a 8/10(in reality) and you can count on reviewer bias. Oh and MP is also surprisingly smooth, though some people I know have had crashing issues and stuff. I've been on 8 and 12 man servers and they were pretty good.

That's all I care to say on this game. I'll finish it and likely shelve it.

xxxx(04:30 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
WilderWein> As for the FC vs. D3 thing - FC is an outdoor game and as such it4s the best out there.

HAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!! Ya and BF:Vietnam sucks, SOF2 sucks, BF:1942 sucks oh and Vietcong, oh wait, no UT2k4 sucks too.. Yes, Farcry is amazing..Definitely the best outdoor game. Ya and you got ZERO gaming skills, ZERO gaming knowledge.. go back to your Lame Cry, over rated hunk of junk. @ 5900, ya no actually, FC just sucks. People bitching about it are bitching, because it sucks. Take a look at that hurting server count for FC and then come back with a better statement. Maybe you and Stumpus should make a clan for FC.

I'm still waiting for someone to show me bump mapping in this game, especially for wall textures etc. It's so advanced, Carmack says, that I don't see it.

Stumpus(05:34 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
LOL @ XXXX. You **AINT** goint to get any decent bump mapping unless you own an nVidia GT6800 or ATI X800 XT PE. The game needs 512mb cards for ultimate performance and a TRUE DX9 card as minimum for any detail.


Of course the same can be said with Far Cry, you need around a 9800 pro performance to see the beauty in that game also. If i remember the last time XXXX you weren't *near* that sort of graphics card. You can't go through life blaming everything else when you aint got the tools!

I honestly still can't believe you *continualy* drag up Far Cry as your battle song......HX is entitled to his opinion on what game **HE** likes, i certainly wouldn't go jumping down a moderators neck because he liked a game i didn't!!! Neither would i do it with anyone else, apart from you! because you get on EVERYONES back on this forum IF they don't like what you like! Grow up man eh and do some research before blowing your trumpet regarding WHY you can't see bump mapping LOL.

xxxx(06:01 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Wheres the bump mapping here you stupid fag. http://www.ggmania.com/pics/04/specials/doom3hi/doom3hi04.jpg

This is ULTRA QUALITY. Nah, this is ULTRA JUNK. look at the wall on the left. THAT TAKES A 512MB card.. ya whatever. Stumpus as usualy, you're a dumb ass without a clue. UT2K4 walks circles around this game even if they aren't the same. At least UT2K4 has REAL BUMP mapping, not this fraud called Doom3. You see it there people, this is Doom3. Just keep gazing at that wall, cuz aside from Carmack hiding it with painted on shadows.. the general textures blow and in this pic, you see it at the highest of quality.

damnurannoying(06:18 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Yeah but what's funny is that your probably the biggest fag on this site (and that ain't an easy task looking around at some of these messages). The closest thing to a chick you'll get is replying to that little bitchs fx5900 posts around here. Truely pathetic.

CaptStar(06:23 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Let me explain the AI.
The zombies obviously are dead. In every zombie movie or game, they are dumb. Know why, because their brain is gone or destroyed.
Then you have the z-sec guys (the ones with the weapons)- they show really good ai. They will actually hide behind objects and create distractions.
Then there is the demons. All they wanna do is kill you. They dont have to do really advanced ai things, they are vicious beasts. The one thing i dont like about the ai though, is the fact that the imps dont crawl along the walls and ceilings. Originally, they were supposed to.
And if any of you can go back far enough, John Carmack said that he wanted to remake Doom using todays technology. He doesn't want to do anything really special.

xxxx(06:32 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
damnurannoying> Yeah but what's funny is that your probably the biggest fag on this site (and that ain't an easy task looking around at some of these messages). The closest thing to a chick you'll get is replying to that little bitchs fx5900 posts around here. Truely pathetic.

ya and ur gonna be ultra banned, you see this site keeps track of ip's and ur abusing the site rules. I'm a fag when ur too much of a lame ass to keep ur real name and a real arguement. i'm not the pathetic loser creating pointless and stupid userid's. truth is, this game is nothing spectacular and the Ultra shots go to prove it. Creatures and stuff is one thing, but there is something called environment. I don't call a painted wall high tech or great gfx. as soon as you get to 'high' quality in UT2k4 you got the best walls and environment of any game. it's a fun and entertaining game, that's about it. Graphics wise, ya there are some nice implementations of "DirectX" features that could be used in "any" game but aside from that it's a dark game with compromise to environment graphics. See ultra pics and tell me that requires a 512mb video card..bump mapping is near non-existant in this game and any fool can see that.

maga(06:34 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Hey, maybe up there, in Canada, they don't have bump mapping ! maybe it's banned ! It must be something about the legal age or some bullshit. Hey, xxxx, how old are you ?

xxxx(06:37 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
CaptStar> Let me explain the AI.
The zombies obviously are dead. In every zombie movie or game, they are dumb. Know why, because their brain is gone or destroyed.
Then you have the z-sec guys (the ones with the weapons)- they show really good ai. They will actually hide behind objects and create distractions.
Then there is the demons. All they wanna do is kill you. They dont have to do really advanced ai things, they are vicious beasts. The one thing i dont like about the ai though, is the fact that the imps dont crawl along the walls and ceilings. Originally, they were supposed to.
And if any of you can go back far enough, John Carmack said that he wanted to remake Doom using todays technology. He doesn't want to do anything really special.


exactly about the zomies. as i said, they are walking dead, not geniuses of warfare so why even comment on the overall AI. But then soldiers too are pretty dumb too but definitely better at using the boxes and stuff, even if they don't crouch much.

like you said, daemons, all they do is attack you. no ai needed.

as for your comments on Carmack, again, you are right. he did say that. and he's right, nothing really special, including the piss poor wall textures he covers up using lighting effects and to some degree painting shadows on things. But he was an advisor, he wasn't bent down behind a machine coding it.

Also, where is the end of level summary page? I recall Doom2 having a overall "how did you do summary". I'd have expected that in Doom3.

xxxx(06:41 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
maga> Hey, maybe up there, in Canada, they don't have bump mapping ! maybe it's banned ! It must be something about the legal age or some bullshit. Hey, xxxx, how old are you ?

hey dipshit, show me some bump mapping in doom3. i'm waiting..

funny how people on this site put you down and can do nothing to prove themselves eh.. all i see in my posts are valid and true facts so like braindead maga he can do nothing but insult and prove nothing. i ask you, how old are you? u don't need to prove how stupid you are, we already know that.

maga(06:44 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
I'll show you bump-mapping, but first:

See my forum icon ? What's its meaning ? Where was it used first ?

If you don't know the answer, shut the hell up.

xxxx(06:50 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
show me it fag, or you shut up. thanks for your pointless post. how anyone can say this game has the best graphics, pfff, don't know anything. i expected much better gfx than the game has. sorry, my expectations were high since this project was overseen by the "god" pff of gaming. that title left a long time ago, and if it wasn't carmack it would have been someone else. The proof of this games graphics are in the Ultra shots alone. remember, it takes a 512MB card to do those nice wall textures.. pfff. Hey hx, how about some shots of the shadows painted on the floor and objects in the game? woo, high tech for sure.

xxxx(06:51 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
maga> I'll show you bump-mapping, but first:

See my forum icon ? What's its meaning ? Where was it used first ?

If you don't know the answer, shut the hell up.


who gives a crap? it's likely a picture of your mother before you were put in a test tube.

maga(06:52 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
see ? you don't deserve an answer.

xxxx(06:55 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
see, you're a fag and you talk from your ass, cuz you got nothing. i'm right and you can't prove me wrong. see, so thus the name fag, is applicable to you. all mouth and ass that's all you are.

maga(06:58 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
If you are such a bigshot in this bump-mapping business, then you surely must know what my icon symbolises. I still expect an answer.

xxxx(07:06 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
maybe ur just a retard and I'm sorry for that. but i couldn't give a crap what your avatar is. i couldn't care less if it truly was your mother. get it yet?

CaptStar(07:10 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Actually, xxxx is right. There is no bump-mapping. I haven't seen any painted on pipes yet, but there is only mubp mapping on characters and enemies. There is zero bump mapping on walls, the floor, etc.

CaptStar(07:14 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
th4t1guy> Not everyone is keen on registering to add a comment (this site used to not require such B.S.), but when I see crap like this flying around, I have to say something. I won't disagree with the review on Doom3, but Farcry? Come on! The game is sloppy, full of bugs (they even recalled the 1.2 patch, wtf?) the gameplay tiresome, and the multiplayer is horrible. I guess this is the type of review quality to expect when you blow through games on minimal difficulty, but I smell bullshit and I'm calling it.

First of all, hx created the forums because there were idiots who were commenting, there were idiots spamming, pretty much it was uncontrolled. Now with the forums, we can be moderated.

maga(07:17 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
xxxx> maybe ur just a retard and I'm sorry for that. but i couldn't give a crap what your avatar is. i couldn't care less if it truly was your mother. get it yet?

how many kids did you said you have , xxxx ? 2, i remember . You're just a disgruntled Nvidia user, like any other, but you're under 15 years old, so that makes sense....

xxxx(07:39 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
ya not much good when the whole game pits you in darkness eh? but ya, i got a sleu of shots for ya.. i'm gonna be doing a review for another site. this game is getting a 7.5 - 8/10. unlike most reviewers, i don't just go gaga cuz the characters look good(especially when you can't hardly see em in dark). A good game is a complete game and i don't take well to cheap bitmap walls and cheap painted on shadow tricks. i will review it as i see it. it's a great game but it's no state of the art game and the requirements for Ultra mode are a joke. new engine, my butt. this is a modified quake3 engine, that's all.

Stumpus(07:40 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Would you believe it if i told you that XXXX is 37-38 years old!? The twat is a total abnoxious asshole that LIVES here on this forum. He's supposed to have 2 children....now who on this planet would want that fucked up piece of DNA for a father! Besides what female would let that dysfunctional test tube ride her.

Yeah XXXX away and "Bump yer Map" it's the only ride you'll get moron!

Come back when you've bought a graphics card LOL

xxxx(07:42 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
maga> xxxx> maybe ur just a retard and I'm sorry for that. but i couldn't give a crap what your avatar is. i couldn't care less if it truly was your mother. get it yet?

how many kids did you said you have , xxxx ? 2, i remember . You're just a disgruntled Nvidia user, like any other, but you're under 15 years old, so that makes sense....


i have ati too you dumb ass. and how many kids i have and anything to do with my personal life is ZERO to you. ur just a dumb ass gullible test tube baby who has zero knowledge of anything. and u still havent proved to me or anyone in this thread your statements of bump mapping. instead all you done is beat around the bush and talk from your ass.

xxxx(07:48 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Stumpus> Would you believe it if i told you that XXXX is 37-38 years old!? The twat is a total abnoxious asshole that LIVES here on this forum. He's supposed to have 2 children....now who on this planet would want that fucked up piece of DNA for a father! Besides what female would let that dysfunctional test tube ride her.

Yeah XXXX away and "Bump yer Map" it's the only ride you'll get moron!

Come back when you've bought a graphics card LOL


ah, from one shit-clinger to the next. Care to show me bump mapping doofus, er i mean stumpus(guy who talks and PROVES NOTHING)...as usual, you present nothing except your stupidit. guess your name is right, ur stumped on everything.

WilderWein(08:08 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
xxxx> WilderWein> As for the FC vs. D3 thing - FC is an outdoor game and as such it4s the best out there.

HAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!! Ya and BF:Vietnam sucks, SOF2 sucks, BF:1942 sucks oh and Vietcong, oh wait, no UT2k4 sucks too.. Yes, Farcry is amazing..Definitely the best outdoor game. Ya and you got ZERO gaming skills, ZERO gaming knowledge.. go back to your Lame Cry, over rated hunk of junk. ...
I'm still waiting for someone to show me bump mapping in this game, especially for wall textures etc. It's so advanced, Carmack says, that I don't see it.


Wow, here is a penny, go and get brains. Did i said any of the games u mentioned sucked? Nope, but u did. So what? And for the ZERO - thanks for mentioning your IQ, but we all had enough time to see it working. Get over it.

For the bump mapping thingy: Ever looked at the organic things growing at the walls? Well, .. never mind. It was an easteregg, created by Carmack especially for you, cause he knows that you love walls more then anyting else. Did anybody said that ALL walls are bumpmapped? I dont think so. Try keeping on things that are facts, not only the voices you hear in your head. Ppl like you are realy anoying - streching pointless details over the limit, hearing more to their mindcinema then to facts and seemingly having no other hobbys then searching for flaws in others.

So hey, why dont you just go and massage your still growing manhood - it should cool you down.

Sly(08:21 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Actually there is atleast one official pic. Someone commented that the shadows projected on the wall behind a monster looked flat in one of the pics and didn't follow the curve of the wall. Carmacks reply was that the shadows are only applied on the wall, and that the supposed curves were actually bumpmaps, and the shadows doesn't follow those.

Is this the difference between bumpmapping and normalmapping?

Lemme see if i can find it. It's the one where a flashlight was being shined on an imp while it was stuck to the ceiling looking down at you.

xxxx(08:28 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
FC is an outdoor game and as such it4s the best out there.

Read your statement numb nuts. Not my fault you failed English 101. It's a stupid comment and about as stupid as the rest of your posts. Learn how to speak in english before you post. FC is the best out there, that's why there are like umm, wohoa, 50 servers! wooooo, truly the best game.

El_Coyote(08:45 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
ut04 doesnt have any bumpmapping.
its a great game, yea.. but it doesnt have bumpmapping.

xxxx(09:41 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
beeep. i'm wrong. ut2k4 supports it but doesn't use it because it doesn't need it. it's definitely available for ut2k4(modding etc) they never saw a use for it for general release.

WilderWein(10:06 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
xxxx> FC is an outdoor game and as such it4s the best out there.

Read your statement numb nuts. Not my fault you failed English 101. It's a stupid comment and about as stupid as the rest of your posts. Learn how to speak in english before you post. FC is the best out there, that's why there are like umm, wohoa, 50 servers! wooooo, truly the best game.


Do you hear voices again? Try to read darling - do you see any single word of MP? Uhoh... try to see a doc in time, ok? :)

And for my english, thanks for your care, but form the looks of it, it is still enough for you. And now, have a nice day and dont miss your doc.

xxxx(10:15 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
dude, just go to school and learn english ok? yours is pathetic, to say the least.

CaptStar(10:24 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
"But form the looks of it"
Its called english you moron. We dont speak street or slang or dumb on these forums.

xxxx(10:49 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
i'm done with this game and talking about it. it's over rated as i imagined it would be. i'm waiting for HL2 and i know it will be serious kick butt game. maybe i looked too deep in D3 but i just expected more, my mistake. the cheap wall textures/painted shadows really turned me off and the darkness and lack of original story pretty much gave me my negativity. that can't be changed. i'll finish it and shelf it like the majority will.

CaptStar(10:58 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Im only two hours into this game, holy cow, this is a long game.

Stumpus(11:02 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
XXXX care to have a *RELOOK* at your statement.

QUOTE:"i have ati too you dumb ass."
Likewise QUOTE:"and u still havent proved to me or anyone in this thread your statements of bump mapping." If we have a wee classroom lesson here on graphic cards, you have provided ***ZERO*** info as regards your graphics card and ***YOU*** have the damn cheek to call me DUMB!!!!!!!!!! Listen everyone, XXXX has an "ati" card and it doesn't do bump mapping. Your moto XXXX is this, "If you can't dazzle them with science, then baffle them with bullshit!" Pot calling the kettle black etc.

ATI WHAT??????????????????? XXXXX DOHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Hardware info:
Far Cry has gorgeous bump mapped creatures and interiors, play them with a DX8.1 card and they will just look flat with no detail. (ie TI4600) AFAIK Doom3 uses DOT3 and when you first install the game and run it, it *automaticaly* configures the game to your machine specs. Regardless if you change the textures to the highest and enable bump mapping, if your card isn't 100% DX9 then you will see *NOTHING*

I do hope that some of that has penetrated your thick napper XXXX?

Try messing with these commands in your console.
r_skipBump (Controls bump mapping, can be set so that games uses a flat surface instead of bump maps)

Set to 1(faster / uglier) or 0 (slower)

image_downSizeSpecular
image_downSizeSpecularLimit
Controls resizing of textures for bump maps. Helpful if your video card has less than 256 megabyte of video ram

Set image_downSizeSpecular to 0(disabled) or 1(enabled)

Set image_downSizeSpecularLimit higher(slower) or lower(faster)
Set to 64 for 128 megabyte or 64 megabyte video cards


image_downSize
image_downSizeLimit
Controls resizing of textures for bump maps. Helpful if your video card has less than 256 megabyte of video ram

Set image_downSize to 0(disabled) or 1(enabled)

Set image_downSizeLimit higher(slower) or lower(faster)
Try 512 for 128 megabyte video cards and 256 for 64 megabyte video cards



If you still don't get any detail, then it's your crap card.


http://archive.gamespy.com/e32002/pc/doom3b/10.jpg

CaptStar(11:07 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Ok Stumpass, why don't you show a screenshot that actually shows bump mapping and prove it.

Stumpus(11:22 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
Captbra, not ANOTHER dimwit.....What was wrong with my post? Too technical? Beyond your scope of the usual "find CD-ROM eject play/eject" mundane lifestyle..

Sorry, this shouting into empty earholes has bored the shit out of me.

Away and bother ID with your simplistic requests, better still, pull your finger out your ass and buy a decent graphics card! Since i only see you two morons crying that it's missing......WTF is the world coming to...

Sly(11:48 PM CEST - Aug,09 2004 )
I couldn't find the pic of the imp with the flashlight but practically every pic i came across had bumpmapping. Makes me wonder why i spent so much effort looking for that specific pic in the first place -_-;;

From my understanding bumpmapping is a how a flat surface would appear to have more depth by adding some bias on how bright a certain part of the texture is based on a second texture called a bumpmap which represents the virtual depth of the texture (hence, "bumps") and the lightsource (or sources). This is different from shadowmaps since bumpmaps are dynamic and reacts to moving light sources whilst shadowmaps are generated when the level is compiled and the generated shadows are later 'painted-on'.

Thief3 (My own shots)

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/3309/T3Main2004-07-1018-04-33-65.jpg

Lower right of the screen, the bricks

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/9805/T3Main2004-07-1018-23-03-17.jpg

The wooden boards

Doom3 (Got these off the net)
http://img41.exs.cx/img41/1568/shot16.jpg

The floor tiles and the copper colored crate near the crosshair

http://img41.exs.cx/img41/865/shot50.jpg

The edges of the square holes on the floor and the wall next to the dead guys shotgun

Either these are bumpmapping or some very very large textures taking up the entire room. Only in that room. And never used in any other room again in the game.



I've simply said how i understand it, and showed some examples of what i think are bumpmaps. I may have a different understanding of what bumpmapping is. What are your definitions of bumpmapping? Don't go into technical details please, some of us only understand laymans terms, just describe what it is in your own words?

WilderWein(12:09 AM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Just take that link (long):
http://www.gamedev.net/columns/hardcore/cgbumpmapping/

or that (short):
http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/B/bump_mapping.html

CaptStar(12:56 AM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
I have a good graphics card Stumpass and a good computer. I just dont see any bumpmapping on walls and stuff. Even at high and ultra quality.

xxxx(01:57 AM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
CaptStar, thats because the maps don't have any. the player models are the only thing to have it, that's it. when ya get to the map, it's just a fancier quake3 backing. i love tho, Stumpus still putting down people with opinions contrary to his, arguing as usual and threatening people. should go see a shrink. and it seems you have fetish for asses, maybe you should talk to your boyfriend as he's obviously not giving you enough service. i hope if he's right, Stumpus left for a little while to another alias.

the walls in UT take advantage of compressed high quality textures. like S3 texturing. thats why when you are near a wall, it looks like a wall, not a paint job as in Doom3.

CaptStar(02:00 AM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Ya, know I am starting to notice it as I am farther in the game.

Anonymous(03:09 AM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Capstar it could be because your graphics card might not support DX 9, there are good cards out there like the ti4600 and the 4800 which work really good with DX 8.1 games or maybe u haven't installed DX9 yet :p which doesn't seem like a possibility but anyway try to enable it from the options menu if u haven't. As for the paint job on the wall .. i guess yeah most of it seems to be painted and quite a lot of stuff seems to be different than the alpha and the beta of Doom 3. I bet they did the 'paint job' thing just so that the amount of texture size would be reduced and can be playable on most systems. Although they did a good job at it.

xxxx(03:45 AM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
why dont you just provide us with some screenshots of your own kaboom? he's got a 9600XT

and just so you know,

RADEON™ 9600 Graphics Technology
Welcome the Microsoft&reg; DirectX&reg; 9.0 universe with an unprecedented combination of power, longevity and cinematic-quality imagery. With its quad-pipe architecture and Microsoft&reg; DirectX&reg; optimized features...


i agree with youir last 2 sentences and that is the case, no matter what res you have or quality settings.
-
and are you all blind? there's Ultra settings pics on GGMANIA(i even provided a link for you lazy bastards). it's pretty obvious no bump mapping at all. just a cheap texture.

FX5900(01:33 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
WOOOOHOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FLAME WAR!!!!!!!
We haven't had a good one of these in months. Time to let all that unvented anti-ATI aggression and personal slanders out of the bag. :lol: You are all gay ATI users! :D

FX5900(02:04 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
CaptStar wrote:

..."Stumpass"...


ROFL... StumpASS ... man thats funny

sirsmithy(03:16 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
man you can really feel the love here, lol.

look guys, you like or you dont ...move on

When 3-7 monsters are on my back trying to kill me i dont have time to look at walls ...HELLO !!! as long as it looks ok what the hell, im here to KILL, not site see :P

just enjoy the game ...isnt that why you play???


p4 3.06
nvda 6800 256
1024 ram
sound baster audigy 2 ex plat
western dig raptor 10,000 rpm x 2 raid 0 = kick ass

xxxx(03:56 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
maybe you shouldn't run like a maniac, what rush are you in? nice rig too!

FX5950(04:20 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
FX5900> CaptStar wrote:

..."Stumpass"...


ROFL... StumpASS ... man thats funny



ACTUALLY...that was pretty lame. But then again, you're about the biggest dumbass here (which is no small feat on ggmania) and would naturally think it to be funny.

Go back and play with your little card Princess and try and come up with something better.

xxxx(04:21 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
for anyone interested in speeding up their radeons, check rage3d front page news. though i don't agree with the originators comments near the end of the post he does give some pretty good detail on how to improve the GL performance of ati cards. and ps, whoever the writer is(i couldn't care less) obviously would rather ignore the current word on the streets of ati and their support and compatibility. and one wonders why ati drivers continue to suck and have problems with nearly every new game.. go figure. either way, try the fix and let people know. lates!

CaptStar(05:28 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
First of all Kaboom, I can run Direct X 9.0

I have always used Direct X. The screenshots I've seen on every graphics card at all the different detail settings, It has shown no bump-mapping.

As xxxx said, its just painted on the walls.

Stumpus(05:56 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
I'm sure XXXX has a 'borderline personality disorder' and he's *actualy* argueing with his 'other half' captBra. Or is it the other way around??

Anyway, the **SIMPLE** question put to captBra was

quote:
kaboom Posted:

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Capstar it could be because your graphics card might not support DX 9, there are good cards out there like the ti4600 and the 4800 which work really good with DX 8.1 games


captBra replies quote:
CaptStar Posted:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

First of all Kaboom, I can run Direct X 9.0

I have always used Direct X. The screenshots I've seen on every graphics card at all the different detail settings, It has shown no bump-mapping


What in hell is that supposed to mean???? "First of all Kaboom, I can run Direct X 9.0 " ALL MACHINES CAN RUN DX9, it's the G.R.A.P.H.I.C.S card he was asking for you to make a reply on as in BIG clue! nVidia (put in lots of numbers here) ATI (put in lots of numbers here also) ***WHAT CARD DOOOOO YOOOOU OOOOWNN!!!!**** Lights are on but nobody is in.

Of course the other half of captBra -(AKA)XXXX, **STILL*** hasn't IDENTIFIED his graphics card also, and he STILL insists in spouting verbal manure,
**and** making a THICK FOOL of himself by NOT BACKING up his personal attack on ANYONE that thinks FC is good or that the reason that he can't see bump mapping is because he HASN'T got the BALLS to admit he's CLUELESS when it comes to hardware and what is in his machine!

Sad life (AKA XXXX), take a hint **YOUR A LAUGHING STOCK HERE** Anyone with some hardware savvy is pissing themselves listening to you argue about a subject that you NO ZERO about. Whilst it's a good bit of relief, for those 'in the know' It's become patheticaly BORING now.

XXXX back-up your spouting with some bloody knowledge and most of all constructive criticism. Instead of a full blown mindless rant full of bullshit.

I would be FUCKING MAJORLY embarrased if my wife seen what you wrote and i told her your age -and that i'm even writing this to you.

SO GO AND BLOW!!!

xxxx(06:10 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
ya, but you're just a dick.

CaptStar(06:13 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
You wanna know my graphics card asshole?
Its an ATI Radeon 9600 Pro. I have said it many times already.

FX5900(06:26 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
hey wow.... look it's my idiot brother FX5950 who even ripped my avatar and wasted his time putting 5950 on it. I've been wondering how long it would be before some ATI jerk-off wanted to pretend to be part of the nvidia family.

Funny thing is there is NO SUCH THING AS AN FX5950. :roll: Now there's a FX-5950U (Ultra) but nVidia never released a non-ultra version of the FX5950. What a wad. Obviously an ATI owner... :roll:


I am feeling the love on this thread... feels like a "loving" marriage. :lol:
Haven't felt this much love since the far cry review. ;)

YOU GUYS HAVE SPENT TOO MUCH TIME PLAYING DOOM3, ALL THE AGGRESSION ON THIS THREAD IS WOEFUL.

xxxx(06:29 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
quote:
What in hell is that supposed to mean???? "First of all Kaboom, I can run Direct X 9.0 " ALL MACHINES CAN RUN DX9, it's the G.R.A.P.H.I.C.S card he was asking for you to make a reply on as in BIG clue! nVidia (put in lots of numbers here) ATI (put in lots of numbers here also) ***WHAT CARD DOOOOO YOOOOU OOOOWNN!!!!**** Lights are on but nobody is in.


Hello retard, he's running 9600XT a directx 9 card, god you are a complete moron. And the comment about CaptStar not running Dx9 or not having a Dx9 card was stupid in first place. I don't know a dumber gamer other than you Stumpus who wouldn't figure out the logic. Ya, he's running Doom3 with a GF3 card and 128mb of ram. Duh! Dumbass.

quote:

Of course the other half of captBra -(AKA)XXXX, **STILL*** hasn't IDENTIFIED his graphics card also, and he STILL insists in spouting verbal manure,
**and** making a THICK FOOL of himself by NOT BACKING up his personal attack on ANYONE that thinks FC is good or that the reason that he can't see bump mapping is because he HASN'T got the BALLS to admit he's CLUELESS when it comes to hardware and what is in his machine!


Hey anyone, has Stumpus brain dead offered anything? nah, just rattling off from his big black hole in his butt cheeks where his boyfriend rests his head. What else is new? There is no bump mapping on the walls you clued out retard. Only the models themselves are bump mapped. If the maps are bump mapped, i'd appreciate you showing us some screenshots dickweed.

quote:
Sad life (AKA XXXX), take a hint **YOUR A LAUGHING STOCK HERE** Anyone with some hardware savvy is pissing themselves listening to you argue about a subject that you NO ZERO about. Whilst it's a good bit of relief, for those 'in the know' It's become patheticaly BORING now.


only idiot here is you, but your too stupid to figure it out. i provide help to people including working with CaptStar on his machine(i don't have too, i just like to HELP people). WTF have you done but spout constant BS here on GGMANIA. you are the most useless person here. nothing but trash talk and causing problems. yes, Stumpus your opinion is all that matters here, F the rest of the world, your the best. no Stumpus, you are a damn retard and i truly wish Hx ban you. you contribute zero on this site except problems.

quote:

XXXX back-up your spouting with some bloody knowledge and most of all constructive criticism. Instead of a full blown mindless rant full of bullshit.

I would be FUCKING MAJORLY embarrased if my wife seen what you wrote and i told her your age -and that i'm even writing this to you.

SO GO AND BLOW!!!



i don't know ANYONE on this site that gives a CRAP what you have to say, but i have a pretty large Private mail box here and lots of people here ask me to help them the latest being Capt Star, whom I have helped to stop some of the crashing of Doom 3. And what have you done?? sweet F all except tell people off. You are such a big loser, I talk about you at work all the time. you can't imagine how much entertainment you bring to my work with your dumb ass comments and telling people off. as for FC, i have a right to share my opinion. FC is an overrated hunk of crap that's gone nowhere online. Big bloated piece of crap SP game with absolutely zero originality. christ, they even had to put a hangglider in the game to attract people. Pffff. enjoy playing on the few populated servers dickweed.

has anyone heard or seen Stumpus post anything technical, can you provide a link or evidence? this idiot still is in denial that Doom3 doesn't have low textures but yet it's right there in Utra screen shots, you dumbass. Get with the program you lame ass or just do us ALL a FAVOR and leave. go back to rage3d where you spawned from.

CaptStar, i got some more stuff for doom3 and tonite, lets try remote desktop. i want to check your services and stuff. sorry i wasn't around last night, only signed on and had to cut grass and take care of little one and put him down, sorry, next time i will put myself on away. we might have to consider the beta 4.9 drivers, but first i want to try some tweaks.

CaptStar(06:30 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
By the way Stumpass, Captbra?
That doesnt make sense.
Just end this stupid flamewar and make peace like holy f'ing crap.

WilderWein(07:05 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
The universe has its own cure for stupidity. Unfortunately, it doenst always apply it.

Sly(07:37 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
I just got Doom3 and am fiddling around with it. And i must say that i'm wondering why some of the people who has this game are asking where the bumpmaps are.

Go to deathmatch mod and start a game. When you bring up the options screen when you start a game, bring up the screen settings and simply toggle off bumpmapping. Thats it. You'll actually see bumpmapping disappear right beneath the menu.

After seeing this, i'm amazed at just how much games have gone. The texture maps are just that. Textures. In older games, the textures also has the shadows drawn in (Look at CS guns and crates). Thes days, you really just need a wood pattern, and a 2nd 'heightmap' texture. =D

Here's a few pics.

Floors, walls, even the chickenwire ceiling
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/8266/shot65.jpg
Bumpmapping did a good job rounding off the cornerposts on the right of the screen.
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1765/shot66.jpg


Floors, stairs, walls, cornerposts
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9686/shot67.jpg
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9452/shot00006.jpg


Door looks like it's made up of a few dozen polygons right?
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/6543/shot68.jpg
Wrong. It's totally flat. And so are the walls =P
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/3742/shot69.jpg


Watch the two lights, the cylinder connecting the two lights, the grill, and especially the hands
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1223/shot00009.jpg
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/3785/shot70.jpg
Sucks eh? Turns out the fist didn't have any fingers at all, just a thumb =P And the pattern behind the 'X' grills disappeared. I suppose they can also be done through the bumpmaps since the grill's patterned already, but man, that's a VERY detailed bumpmap o_O


Whoever's planning on making Doom3 custom maps's gonna have his work cutout for him =P



http://img10.exs.cx/img10/1568/shot16.jpg
Now THIS is a hand! There was a picture before of a real guy posing dead in his backyard with blood dripping down his face, and with a game's hud and scoreboard superimposed. It was meant as a joke about how realistic games are becomming. I think we're getting close =P

OffTopic
Ugh,JPeG doesn't like doom. Green splotches appear along with the red (and copper) colors, the red's bleeding a lot too. This doesn't appear ingame =(

sirsmithy(07:48 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
xxxx
thanks

Dont get me wrong i do stop to smell the rosses or take a leak :lol:

sometimes not oftern game play can out-way grafics

on the second or third time playing i tend to look more :D


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CaptStar(07:49 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Thank you xxxx. At least some people here are smart.

xxxx(08:01 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
yes we are getting close to reality. but reality involves more than just models. sorry, but for d3 being such a modern game, i thought we would be past cheap bitmaps. i don't see the point in doing half the maps in good detail and then skimping on the walls. it's not like all the walls are different, its a constantly repeating thing in the game. it's cutting corners or they hadn't fully completed the game and just wanted that month prior to HL2 release. course they didn't have to worry since they threw in great models and all reviewers went gaga. now i wonder how good the game would be if it was all lit. things that continue to irritate me.

- the story is nothing but a bunch of do this do that with very little substance and strikingly reminding me of HL1 story
- lack of animations, the pda and reloading being the only ones! good effort guys(how about arms and hands on buttons? or working with control pads)
- your character says ZIP, he's a mute, would it have been too hard to say, take that you @#$@#, or eat this @$#%@
- why werent things on the floor or things made to be made moveable all made moveable.
- why did they skimp in one part of map and do a bitmap for a window looking out to mars and then later an actual window looking out to mars
- in mp, the people run like stumpus, with something up their a$$
- i find no difference in my SP graphics and MP, yet MP is amazing in FPS at same settings as SP.

my only feeling is this game needed a few months more work and a final quality pass for such things as the textures. had the game had all the above, i'd warrant this game a 9/10 or higher, but because of the lack of it and the unfinished elements i fail to see this game get higher than a 8/10. the only reason being is today's gamer just needs a little whistle and bells and they are happy.

and for stupid people like stumpus, where is bump mapping on this wall? you tell me you dumbass. this is ULTRA SETTINGS YOU DICKWEED. http://www.ggmania.com/pics/04/specials/doom3hi/doom3hi03.jpg (oh, and the settings are 2048x1536, 8AF, 16AA, impressive ) the game is full of this cheap texture crap and painted on shadows. i can't believe they actually went so far to provide custom textures with painted on shadows. and for the person who said, im running my butt off i don't have time to look at the walls, well that's the eye you have for games, what can i say. i noticed this stuff right away and ur blind i guess or just swallow anything they throw at you. but you have a right to feel the way you do. i'm just more critical of the God's work. He's over rated and soon we'll see just how much. But I did keep one quote i plan to post on iD's site. "This is the Best Game I/we have ever released", good, i plan to keep this quote for a long long time.

there now im done with this game. i'll finish it and shelf it. anticipating HL2 to be the game of the century now that i seen overrated doom3.

FX5950(08:02 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
FX5900> Funny thing is there is NO SUCH THING AS AN FX5950. :roll: Now there's a FX-5950U (Ultra) but nVidia never released a non-ultra version of the FX5950. What a wad. Obviously an ATI owner... :roll:

Actually princess I have a Gigabyte GV-N595U in my main system (and yes, I'm aware it's an "ultra"). I also have an old Radeon 9800 (non-pro) in another. Not too mention I have plenty more 'retired' nVidia cards around than ATI. Quite irrelevant really. You've brought your annoyance to the level of being amusing. Ohh, poor lil baby..."He even ripped my avatar..." What a fucking riot. (BTW - it took all of a whole 30secs to change and send back - so don't fret yourself over lost time.) AND I bet you haven't "felt this much love..." As you're rejected here on GGMANIA, I'm sure when you manage to pull your sorry little ass out from behind your 'puter, you find you have the same problem with the rest of the world. Not too many friends eh? Oh yeah, how could I forget? You have your little video card. Bravo little man, bravo...It'll all be ok. LOL - Come vent on GGMANIA so we can all appreciate our lives as not being so pathetic and lonely as your own. Plus we can use a good laugh. Bring it on 'lil man, bring it on.

xxxx(08:13 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Hey FX5900, how much says that FX5950 is Stumpus? and i wonder if HX will ban these people with multiple alias'.

HX, i have some good experience with phpbb so if you would like some really nifty security tools, i can get you one that will list a user and all his ip's and usernames used on your site all in one nice interface you can ban them. i think this is a form of abuse that will get out of control on your site(already in progress). i dont' know what you got behind this forum, but these tools are really essential. there is also another package though i haven't check for sometime and it's called phpbb plus which contains by default a whole bunch of handy utilities/addons. i've been a mod for various games and trust me, these people will stop at nothing and destroy your forums.

just send me a private email and i can send you a link to it all. i'm sure you'll like it.

FX5950(08:28 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
I wouldn't put much on that xxxx. Why the hell would I need multiple aliases? Damn, you're a fool. And I'm sure HX is quite capable of running the site w/o your "Ahhhh....handy tools and nifty utilities..daaaah." LMAO. And what the hell are you talking about? Look at your own idiotic posts...as I quote "show me it fag, or you shut up. thanks for your pointless post." <--HEY your KEWL!!! You 0WN!!

And you should really stop pleading for HX to "make the mean people go away." It's pathetic, down right embarrassing.

xxxx(08:47 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
cuz HX could use a little help from nice handy dandy scripts. get rid of morons like u(like ur name, mocking FX5900). funny, you would have such comments. do you not want to promote and help this site? hiding something? ya i been on ggmania for hmmm, err ah...years??? how about you mr. 1 post. oh wait, mr 8 posts. I'm not saying I'm an angel, but in terms of Doom3, i have yet to have anyone prove my opinion is wrong, my points are all valid. in light of this forum, i don't go creating various accounts or XXXXdada.. see, that's banning stuff. when i worked for GSA, PlanetUnreal and Gspot as a moderator(purely voluntary) that's lifetime ban stuff. 1 account per person, same rules applies on nearly every forum. if you are caught with these handy dandy scripts, you are banned with not even a whisper of an emal. All serious forums have security in place, i fear that Hx simply installed phpbb and that's it. the worst forums i have ever seen are on EA where they don't even investigate posts but act on peoples complaints. what else to expect from EA? their support sucks, they only support 50% of whats on the market and when people complain of lack of support and are disgruntled on their site, they ban them. EA is a real work of art.

FX5950(09:07 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Actually I've been visiting the site for...hmm, years...yeah; off and on. I find it pretty funny how one's length of visiting the site, correlates to the post count; particularly since it's fairly new in the whole scheme of things.

What the hell would I be hiding? Anything more than you going around mascarading as "xxxx?" You need to get a clue, and quit acting like your on to some conspiracy that doesn't exist. I enjoy the content of the site. One of the few I even get on, but don't think I'm not gonna step in and say something when you get a bunch of idiots running around ranting like they're something they aren't. The annoyance only gets tolerated for so long. Just because I chose to post today (with a registered name) doesn't mean I just fell off the truck. Why don't you go come up with other angle nancy, cuz the one you're whining about isn't working.. .
*** Let me add (again - since you seem to like going back adding more of your sob story and "working" forums). YOU need to get off this "LIFETIME BAN" shit, I am ONE person - I have ONE account. You need to quit your crying - it's getting tiresome - not to mention pathetic. Ahhh..."banned w/o a whisper of an email.." Jeeezus. Have you ever sat down are read your own posts?! You've got some serious issues you need to work on. Just quiet yourself already. I'm starting to feel bad for ya...ughh.

Stumpus(09:09 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
LOL XXXX and his 'persoanlity disorder' AKA CaptBra, are akin to a drunk. You just can't tell him he's an alchoholic. The same goes for his disorderly rants, WE can SEE how STUPID he looks but HE CAN'T!

Ok his other 'paranoia' has surfaced, he thinks that i'm posting under several alias. ROFLMAO the guy's losing it BIG TIME!!!!

Yeah XXXX/CaptBra whatever you are tonight?, it's **ALL A CONSPIRACY AGAINST YOU**

As for requesting HX help, isn't that as two-faced as you get(and typical of you to boot) !? Since your the one who BLATANTLY criticised him for *liking* Far Cry.

Your the type of fool who would shoot a guy then ask the cops for protection......yeah XXXX/CaptBra your BONKERS!!

Anyway, you can tell your machine is useless with a 9600 card and playing DOOM3, why? 'cause your never away from here!!!

Oh and before you retort, i get DOOM3 on Friday! You see how it is easy to string you along like a Donkey and the proverbial CARROT!! LOL

WOOF, WOOF here's XXXX and co rising to the bait as per usual....saddo

Sly(09:18 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
xxxx> http://www.ggmania.com/pics/04/specials/doom3hi/doom3hi03.jpg

Hmm... which part of the game is that? I've barely started playing =P Could you try disabling bumpmapping from the advanced settings menu and show us another screencap of that place?


And if i was the mod, you'd all be banned for having potty mouths =P Chill guys! ^_^

xxxx(09:32 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
u rn't worth a reply anymore, you're just too damn stupid. believe what you want imbecile but i am xxxx and that's all i ever have been. u don't know squat about me, or anything i do or have done. ur just a clueless wonder here to continually make an ass of yourself. i have yet to see you come up with anything contrary to any of my posts/or anyone elses in this review. u dont even have doom3 and ur on here blabbing. ur a moron. i sincerely doubt u even have FC. but to sit here and continually promote a game that has zero community online and nothing at all going for the game just shows how dumb u r. these guys put out a patch and recall, wow, great thanks for that! FC is nothing but a single player game and it's all it will ever amount to. single player game that doesn't take long to finish with the dumbest AI i ever played, when you can hide behind rocks and boxes and finish the whole game that way, i call that pretty lame(need some video's Stumpass?). doom3, i am merely walking thru it currently at 2nd from hardest skill level(uh veteran maybe, cant recall)..after about 1 hour the game is damn predictable and might i add, n00bish in gameplay. i just love the contstant repetition near end of levels where they lock the doors and spawn a crap load of creatures, woo innovative eh? and again, for retards like stumpus, that's just "my" opinion.

xxxx(09:37 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Sly> xxxx> http://www.ggmania.com/pics/04/specials/doom3hi/doom3hi03.jpg

Hmm... which part of the game is that? I've barely started playing =P Could you try disabling bumpmapping from the advanced settings menu and show us another screencap of that place?


And if i was the mod, you'd all be banned for having potty mouths =P Chill guys! ^_^


it's all over the map man, open your damn eyes and quit drooling over the bump mapped creatures :lol: enough of this bump map bs ok. there is no bump mapping on the wall textures. various animated elements are bump mapped and models are bump mapped. there is ZERO bump mapping on the map itself.

Sly(09:41 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
OffTopic

@xxxx
Just out of curiosity, since i haven't played that many games. What fps game have you played that has the best AI? I'd like to try it out. The one's i've played kinda fell short (okay, they fell flat on their faces) on their hype.

(09:47 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
[size=18:4841913fb6]PLEASE RESPECT THE FORUM RULES![/size:4841913fb6]
quote:

2. No verbal violence, flaming (beginning a fight) or "dirty-talk" is allowed: no swearing or using sexual loaded words.

3. No harassing. Be nice, people. Any postings or chat questions including personal attacks or threatening, violent, sexual or downright mean comments-including using the word "duh" or calling somebody stupid-will be deleted immediately.

8. Stay on topic. Blabbing about stuff that doesn't relate to the article wastes space and time

FX5950(09:57 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Such hostilities around here...

xxxx(10:00 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Sly> OffTopic

@xxxx
Just out of curiosity, since i haven't played that many games. What fps game have you played that has the best AI? I'd like to try it out. The one's i've played kinda fell short (okay, they fell flat on their faces) on their hype.


the best bots i seen thus far, Condition Zero. in terms of massive mp, ut2k4 has good bots, sof2 had good bots and honestly, it's hard as hell to come up with a game with great bots. Condition Zero I'd say are the most human like type ai. course i know peeps will flame me for saying CZ, but they are damn good. In Doom3 the guys with actual guns are not bad(they dive and roll etc) but i haven't really had a hard time killing em and i'm playing at Veteran level. if i did like in FC and hide behind a rock or a box, in CZ, they'd launch a nade and they'd storm me. in FC, they are so dumb they walk up to where you are and just sit there. or in FC where you are under the dock, they can't figure out, hmm, lets walk down the ramp and shoot him, or lets shoot thru the floor where the holes are or lets drop a nade and run..i finished FC 3 times, last time i did it all using local cover, like a box or a rock or a bush. i kid you not, all hiding. thats a really good question but now at end of my response, the best bots by far so far is CZ, the official bot. Best and most human like decision making i seen so far in any game. another reason i am so waiting for HL2.

xxxx(10:07 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
heretic> [size=18:6ae68e1cad]PLEASE RESPECT THE FORUM RULES![/size:6ae68e1cad]
quote:

2. No verbal violence, flaming (beginning a fight) or "dirty-talk" is allowed: no swearing or using sexual loaded words.

3. No harassing. Be nice, people. Any postings or chat questions including personal attacks or threatening, violent, sexual or downright mean comments-including using the word "duh" or calling somebody stupid-will be deleted immediately.

8. Stay on topic. Blabbing about stuff that doesn't relate to the article wastes space and time


well thanks to those sending me private messages about Stumpus including you CaptStar, but don't worry he doesn't affect me. but plz stop cuz i have to keep looking and deleting, lol. @hx, people are abusing ur forums all the time man.. sigh. take a look at the usernames.. xxxdada, fx5950 etc.. let me know if you want these scripts it can save you LOTS of time and i don't know many sites that don't use them. anyhow, ur choice, ur site. unless of course u don't mind 1 person with 3 accounts cuz i'll create one too. hey hx, i thought of a great idea too for ur site, what about a photogallery thingie? somewhere people can post pics of the games they play. like in this thread, would have been of immense help if i could have just posted shots to show my reasons for my comments.

xxxx(10:40 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
hahaha i love it, hx is back and ALL OF A SUDDEN, it's quiet. LMAO!

Sly(11:15 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
Sorry if some letters are missing my 'e' key is acting up o_O

Offtopic
@xxxx
Thanks, i'm adding CZ to my to get list =) As for SOF2, i'll dig it up, my pc didn't have the juice to run it back then so it got dumped in the closet somewhere XP

Ontopic
@xxxx
About the missing bumpmaps. Then what were the screenshots i took in the other page? I took them in pairs to show them with and without bumpmaps. At first i didn't see them too til i found the option to turn them off, then found that they were everywhere. Looking at the pic you linked, and comparing it to the screencaps i made, it's pretty much everywhere too. Otherwise, everything would look totally flat as shown in my screencaps. One thing i noticed about Doom3 is that it uses bumpmaps even when the lightsource is static --_--;;

I'll try to compare them with the screencaps i put on page 5. Fifth post from the bottom.

http://img51.exs.cx/img51/1296/doom3hi03a.jpg

Red - Assuming the textures are tiled along that wall instead of one giant texture for the entire wall. The reflection of the light on the corner is different in each instance, the one on the left shows the light source coming from the lower right, while the one on the right shows the light coming from below. It's seen on both shadow and highlight. This indicates that the texture is reacting to the position of the light which can only be done with bumpmaps or speculars. It's the same as the wall in my fourth set.

Pink - Same thing here

Blue - This would be totally flat if there weren't bumpmaps. Check out the floor of the 2nd set (The one with the stairs). Also check out the lower left floor of the 1st set (The rounded hallway)

Green - Similar to the holes in the walls of my third set. The one with the red door.

Also, if you look at the walls around the red door with bumpmapping off, you'll see that each wall is actually madeup of a single texture. Almost no shadows are predrawn, it's completely flat. Turning on the bumpmapping adds the missing shadows and makes it looks like separate panels.

xxxx(11:18 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
sorry didn't see em. leaving right now, going home. check when i get back and edit this post. well im not recommending you buy CZ, but that's ur choice. i always have played CS and took it up after an almost 2 year absence because i was just tired of the other games out there. but let me see your post when i get home. i will be amazed if you have shown me bump mapping such as the Ultra shots didnt show.

Sly(11:20 PM CEST - Aug,10 2004 )
For easier reference i copied my earlier links

1st set
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/8266/shot65.jpg
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1765/shot66.jpg

2nd set
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9686/shot67.jpg
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/9452/shot00006.jpg

3rd set
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/6543/shot68.jpg
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/3742/shot69.jpg

4th set
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/1223/shot00009.jpg
http://img20.exs.cx/img20/3785/shot70.jpg

EDIT: Good Grief man, you reply fast! Well, from a programmers point of view, it's kinda fun trying to predict AI's by guessing how their decision paths work. Who knows i might write one someday (Yah, dream on)

EDIT2: Umm... i'm using a 5900xt (Not exactly cutting edge) and those shots were taken from High settings.

EDIT3: It's 4:20am, i'm going to sleep. I'll come back tomo... err... later.... whenever

Ock462(12:51 AM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
It's always 4:20 somewere :D

xxxx(02:11 AM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
ya seen the shots and in ur own screenshots the lousy textures are there. ok, this is nuts doing this btw but,

065-too dark but textures on left wall are better but not bump mapped and if bump mapped, hardly.

067, another dark pic, are you infering the floor is bump mapped? it looks decent but its also dark in that pic.

068- you can see lousy texture on the left, the silver beam again dark to see but more visible slightly higher gamma but again, what are you inferring that is bump mapped exactly?

0009 that pic clearly shows a poor texture around the light, that's a pic of a light, not a real light.

for those curious on what the hell bump mapping is, you can go here http://www.tweak3d.net/articles/bumpmapping/. it's not bad. i guess in terms of doom3 mapping i'd say its very iffy with the amount of bump mapping and at various places such as Ock462 anyone can clearly make out the textures i speak of, like the light on the left in 009, thats just a cheap bitmap.

show me where you believe specifically the bump mapping is.. if anything there is 'mild' bump mapping in the maps and various places it's just cheap textures as i pointed out. i see no difference between your screens and mine in terms of quality. your shots have lots of areas there are cheap textures. im gonna work on figuring a way to share some pics.

FX5950(02:47 AM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
* * * xxxx said, "hahaha i love it, hx is back and ALL OF A SUDDEN, it's quiet. LMAO!" * * *

Apparently not. You seem to be going on. Not everyone sits in front of the computer all day. I thought I had a dry spell with a couple hour window of down time, but you, sheesh. You never leave! Sad, but understandable. None-the-less; I hear ya on that bump map thing. LOL. Uh...I'm gonna have to go back and look at those screen shots again. You see what you can find out on your end. Me and the wife are gonna check out a movie or something. I'll check back later. See if you can't figure out a way to 'share some pics' with the rest of us. It'd certainly make things easier.

xxxx(04:55 AM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
there is no bump mapping in the maps, just a mix of good and bad textures. with higher res it will appear better but its still a cheap painted texture. it was done obviously for better performance, it's just too bad they couldnt have done a better job or used better texture compression techniques like in UT.

anyhow, it is a fun game(i don't deny it), but it's as i stated, nothing huge and for me a weak followup to a great game. if physics and stuff and textures in hl2 are what i think, the game is gonna make d3 look like d2. im hoping like hell, cuz after that its stalker and brothers in arms. i'm waiting for someone to show us what our computers can REALLY do and not kill us at same time in requirements. UT2k4 is only one so far in terms of best graphics and no video lag with current hardware. so as many are doing right now, waiting for HL2. i pray valve doesnt mess it up. :D

maga(07:42 AM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
OK, for all of you, who were born yesterday, my icon is a detail of the Voodoo3 3500 box.

sad no one recognized it.

lucas(09:12 AM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
maga: oh goodie, the card that made 3dfx what it is today! very important in gfx history

xxxx> there is no bump mapping in the maps, just a mix of good and bad textures.
I love the way you continue to insist upon this, even though sly has already shown multiple screenshots showing bumpmapping turned on and off, EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED IN YOUR ARTICLE. Best troll ever!

MrSmee(09:23 AM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
[size=24:b12a01769e]XXXX:[/size:b12a01769e]

Look at this picture:

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/6543/shot68.jpg

Now, look at this picture:

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/3742/shot69.jpg

What's the difference between the two?


Sorry to hijack your pictures, Sly, but that XXXX kid is really dense...

FX5900(10:28 AM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
MrSmee> [size=24:bf74582921]XXXX:[/size:bf74582921]
What's the difference between the two?



The first one is from an Nvidia card. The 2nd is from an ATI card.



To the tryhard FX5950... please do us a favour and downgrade. You are trying so hard to be a hardass, but it's not working. I'm flattered you want to be like me, but you never will be unless you buy nVidia and take some punishment from me. Let me mould you into a true nvidia fanboy... i'll turn you into a real man. ;)

now go and finish your homework! :lol:

FX5950(02:45 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
Did you say something 'lil man? Trust me you have not a clue. And why are you still rambling on with yourself? I'm sure you have feelings of inadequacies and feel spamming GGMANIA with your nonsense somehow compensates, but these idiotic posts of yours certainly aren't helping ya. But, indeed, go on. Keep lying to yourself. It’s funny in a pathetic sort of way.

amra(02:56 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
perhaps id really want to have it out to beat hl2 in time?
this would have been an strategic thing, and so you see issues that where not finished off. but to say, i run an 1.3 athlon with 512mb sdram and an msi gf4 ti 4200, and i'm in no position to say something over bump mapping and other perhaps very hot features :D.
to my opinion it a real nice game for my first 2 hours of gaming.
the blood and bodys overall are a scary thing. although there is the hand with the pda, but not with touchscreens the solution how to use them is good, and easy to use, i think.
but i not frustrated because doom III was hyped and now it has some problems in somebodies eyes. Jah, i like to play it, what should me worry, except the dark floors on mars :)

xxxx(04:01 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
MrSmee> [size=24:6c18e5fc90]XXXX:[/size:6c18e5fc90]

Look at this picture:

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/6543/shot68.jpg

Now, look at this picture:

http://img20.exs.cx/img20/3742/shot69.jpg

What's the difference between the two?


Sorry to hijack your pictures, Sly, but that XXXX kid is really dense...


First one looks like mine exactly, second one looks like complete crap. let me guess, shot69 is from your machine? time for a new vid card, if so.

xxxx(04:03 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
lucas> maga: oh goodie, the card that made 3dfx what it is today! very important in gfx history

xxxx> there is no bump mapping in the maps, just a mix of good and bad textures.
I love the way you continue to insist upon this, even though sly has already shown multiple screenshots showing bumpmapping turned on and off, EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED IN YOUR ARTICLE. Best troll ever!


as i said from the start Lucas, you have no clue. shaddup, cuz you still don't have a clue. geez, n00bs flocking to this site like there's no tomorrow :roll: was GSA too much for you or something Lucas?

WilderWein(04:16 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
@amra
Bump mapping is a DX8 feature... the Ti4200 shouldnt have any trouble with it. Just try the Future Mark (Mad Onion) 02 Benchmark and you will see.

xxxx(04:18 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
From another site. Now this guy and I should be best friends with.

quote:

Posted by lestat (Member # 942) on 05-08-2004 09:47 AM :

My thoughts on it.

Graphics are Impressive, the lighting/shadows and bumpmapping are to the extreme, but i can't help but feel that there are quite a few places were textures are just too damn low in quality and blurry. After seeing amazing crisp detail textures in farcry this is annoying. Also pointy head syndrome, the models are a little too low poly and when up close the bumpmapping can't hide that fact. There is the trademark id colour scheme in use. I just have concerns on how good this engine will handle large environments, Crytek showed they can do stencil shadow lights and expansive outdoor environments with physics and vehicles to boot. Doom3 just isn't as impressive as it could be imo.

Gameplay, well it's certainly jumpy, the first hour you will be jumpy as shit comes out of nowhere and tries to fuck you up. Of course this one trick pony starts to get tired, I found after a while I started being quite good at predicting where the next bad guy would come out of what corner, everything is scripted to death so if you die and retry the same section, you know exactly where the bad guys will be and can fuck em up.

Weapon selection is a little too bland for my liking and i feel they should have a bit more kick in damage, the machine gun and shotgun just feel underpowered at times, plus reloading takes too damn long. When you've got demons who can fly across the room in less than a second, a small confined space and little cover, weapon reloading can really annoy the shit out of ya. So you gotta get into a habit making sure you have a full clip loaded before entering any new areas.

Then there's the silly flashlight thing, I found binding the flash light to my alternate fire button to be effective and but switching is just stupid, it should like riddick were the guns have flashlights mounted on them.

The problem is this game is cool for about the first hour or two, then all the glaring faults start poping out at you and you realise that just about every level and room has the exact same sequence and your left with find the key to open door gameplay which is just not good enough these days.

I should be in Hell soon so hopefully things pick a bit, but so far very underwhelming. The multiplayer is shit too so after completing it because of the heavily scripted nature of the game, there is no point playing it again.


only thing i don't agree with is the MP statements. MP is actually pretty fun with just 2 people but true it's nothing spectacular and the only thing really making it fun is the complete darkness. i'm sure a couple more hour sessions of MP and i doubt i will play it anymore.

xxxx(04:38 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
i been told by a friend also a coder

"Doom 3 does use bump mapping but not to an extreme(or high quality or consistantly) and this is blindly obvious up close to the textures. While in other games I have seen the use bump mapping extremely well and the games look beutiful with little compromise up close. I'm not sure what Carmack and team were doing when they wrote this game but it would seem they compromised on a lot of things. Apparently, it was felt that by increasing bump mapping and other things it would have had adverse effects on gameplay with peoples machines. The bump mapping is going to be nothing compared to HL2 but of course we don't really know what HL2 will look like, we'll have to wait(just speculation and what I have heard). To tell you honestly, after finishing Doom 3 I'm pretty dismayed at the poor quality of the game, incredibly poor multiplayer and the very unoriginal mechanisms in the game such as the keypads, horrible looking weapons and damn predictability of the enemy AI at no matter what skill level. It's the same in Doom 3 like many others before it, throw in lots of creatures and starve the player of ammo, the worst occuring near end of your missions. Not overly original. The game was released to make money and it will for a short time but as a classic, I'd take Doom 2 before I took this game. As for your comment about all the high reviews, as I said earlier this game is going to get high marks whether you like it or not, it's Doom it's Carmack and it's a business. As you said yourself, throw in some little things like heat fx and some mild bump mapping and people will swear it's the best thing they've seen. Trust me, there's a lot better stuff coming before years end and if you think Doom 3 is good at all.. :) "

amra(06:02 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
@wilderwein
ya right, but at least i want to have some smooth gameplay, so i have bm and other features turned off. wish my system would kick ass like some others here.

xxxx(06:39 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
beh, depends on your rig i guess, but i imagine i wont have any probs with HL2 or STALKER. When i ran Alpha of STALKER i had amazing FPS.

CaptStar(07:00 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
I really hope Stalker is good because I really want it badly. Every screenshot and movie I see of it looks good, but it just got delayed so that sorta sucks.

devilhood(08:00 PM CEST - Aug,11 2004 )
xxxx> beh, depends on your rig i guess, but i imagine i wont have any probs with HL2 or STALKER. When i ran Alpha of STALKER i had amazing FPS.

the STALKER alpha is pretty old isn't it? I never managed to try that one, was it any good?

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