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 Gameguru Mania News - Jan,04 2013 -  
Sony Patent Blocks Used Games - console
(hx) 12:05 AM CET - Jan,04 2013 - Post a comment / read (23)
Sony has reportedly patented technology that will prevent the use of second hand games on consoles. According to NeoGAF member gofreak, the patent application was filed on 9 December 2012 by Sony Computer Entertainment Japan, and will work by linking individual game discs to a user's account without requiring a network connection meaning any future attempt to use this disc on another user's console won't work. Alternately, one method suggests a keymaster/gatekeeper type situation where a disc would include an encryption key that would only be unlocked by the console which initially decrypted it.

It's worth noting that Sony has not confirmed the existence of the device, and the patent doesn't state what machine it will be used in, with later paragraphs also mentioning accessories and peripherals.
last 10 comments:
Kompressor(12:54 AM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
I love how Sony invests so much research and development time, money, and resources on new and better ways of screwing their customers.
Thank you Sony! Keep up the good work!

Thudo(05:41 AM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Isn't that what Apple has perfected? Being the ultimate Patent Whore?! :D

Csimbi(06:03 AM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Remember that these companies are 'going down'.
I mean, sales are decreasing.
If they don't want to go under, they'll have to use any means necessary to prevent that, including using lame-ass invalid patents:

tride(09:45 AM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Csimbi, man your statement has no truth in it.
It's the same as saying "on 12.21.2012 the world will end".
Sony going down ? Are you joking or something, there are no facts to support this.
Sony's PS3 and MS Xbox are selling strong, still! So no matter what they do people will buy it! If they start to fail with this new tech, theyll just get rid of it.

But to say that the biggest corporation it this fucking world is going down, it's just not serious.
:wink:

tiamat(01:42 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Actually Csimbi is correct. Sony have been haemorrhaging money for some time now. They are far from going under but down is definitely the direction they are headed.

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SNE

Do a little googling and you will find they have been issuing profit warnings for a few years now and announcing record losses.

Tom(03:25 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Sony is a POS company. I wouldn't buy a thing from them. Bunch of crooks. Their products suck ass too. My PS3 was the last thing I will ever buy from those bastards and when they raped me when my Plus membership expired and they took all the software I got which was free I said. F THEM! Before that they removed OtherOS feature which was 90% of the reason I bought the F'ing thing, I even wrote them a letter and told them in big words to go F OFF. Would have loved to see the person who opened that letter. I make it a point when I see someone looking at Sony I walk buy and say, Sony sucks under my breath.


Thudo(03:27 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
But but.. their next upcoming smartphone, the Xperia, could be the best and fastest phone EVA!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted:

Tom(04:09 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Smart and Sony don't go together.

Csimbi(05:59 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Tom, you said it yourself that Sony is stupid and won't buy a thing from them.
Guess what. You're not alone. I'm one of those guys, too. Having purchased a Sony product in the past, I have my opinion now and I won't buy anything from them ever again.
There's a consequence to this, one that Sony did not realize yet - or else they would be changing their game.
Check this chart. (thanks tiamat! - same chart with 'max' span)
They've been going down since 2000 and today they seem to be back on levels where they were in the 80s.

SABOT's(06:03 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
I don't know why people are acting all 'politically correct', here. The PC is the ULTIMATE DRM king here and started the whole friggin' ball rolling! You used to be able, many years ago, to buy second hand PC games in shops like EB. Of course you can still buy second-hand DOS,old Win95/98 and some XP games on Ebay. But nothing worthy today.
Every fucking games shop; Game,Gamestation etc has second hand console games for sale and every fucking console owner HAS sold games and bought them on Ebay for years!!!
So what Sony and the Xbox will inevitably do, is nothing new in the gaming world.
But, guys. Don't go preaching that Sony,Apple etc are all of a sudden the WORST companies in the world....
Try selling YOUR second hand PC games that are DRM activated or digital downloads? Erm....didn't think so :roll:

M$,STEAM and all things PC have, and always will be, the ultimate tightest BASTARDS with regards DRM gaming.
Consoles, like PC, will become digital download meccas and less and less will be in shops. (surprised it took them sooo long)

But like everything in life, you DO HAVE A CHOICE.... support it or not?
I binned the PC for nearly 8 years; still play DRM free XP games on my old rig. But have recently built a new spec rig and bought into STEAM budget gaming (as in DON'T buy full shop/dev prices). Check the forums on a poss purchase and get a demo, it couldn't be easier -rather than go to a hundred other forums and get a lot of tripe. Patches are all automatic and i gave up all that PC shit years ago. Better the devil you know...STEAM et al are still shit, but i don't and haven't sold a PC game in decades, nor have i played a second-hand PC game in fucking eons!!!
So what are you trying to say that isn't the slightest bit new??

Everything you fucking own is tied to an account; welcome to 2013
:lol:

Also, Sony don't just make consoles -obviously... The PS3 outsells the XBox by a country mile in Europe and has just topped 30 million units sold.
How about Tv's,MP3 players,cameras,blu-ray players/sound systems and many,many more and the fact that they've had the worlds worst catastrophe in the Tsunami. Shows how resilient they are.
The PC has had the first drop in financial sales in 12 years, Win 8 is a flop, AMD is laying off thousands...and on and on it goes....
Everybody is FUCKED today!

Csimbi(06:15 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Yes, sad.

gx-x(06:41 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
what about the law permitting the owner to make one copy for backup purposes? Surely you can make a copy before you insert your disc into your next sony console?
Also, this will piss people of. They will just opt for another console? It makes no sense to purchase a 60$ game which you cannot sell after you are done with it?!

As for steam, you can "gift" your games away right? So I make a deal with person to give me 20$ and I "gift" him a game that he/she wanted. Isn't that possible? (I don't know, I am asking. I have many steam accounts and I purchase games on different account almost every time, later I sell that account :P ). Aside from steam, I torrent drm crap such as ubisoft's limited activation titles etc. Fucks given: 0

Tom(07:17 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Stumpus, whatever I buy if it says Sony, I wont buy it. It's that simple. I have no Sony products in my house as of last November. Also I can buy used games in various places around me. What I can't get used I buy from the bargain bin. What I can't get in the bargain bin I get off Steam and Origin.

tride(07:48 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Csimbi> Tom, you said it yourself that Sony is stupid and won't buy a thing from them.
Guess what. You're not alone. I'm one of those guys, too. Having purchased a Sony product in the past, I have my opinion now and I won't buy anything from them ever again.
There's a consequence to this, one that Sony did not realize yet - or else they would be changing their game.
Check this chart. (thanks tiamat! - same chart with 'max' span)
They've been going down since 2000 and today they seem to be back on levels where they were in the 80s.

Excuse me but WTF ? you are looking at share numbers to SONY corp. SO ?
That doesnt show or tell anything about PS2 and 3. Doesnt tell anything at all, compared to their rivals. ?!?!?!
Their shares are going down a little, big fuckin deal man!
SONY is one of the biggest corps on this fuckin planet, lol!
:roll: What you are saying doesnt make any sense since there are so many factors to count when trying to make such a point.
Nintendo has some serious issues with their "new" console, as i read - not the case with Sony and their shitty policy about PS games etc.

And by the way! Ive aways owned Sony phones. Way better than Iphone, that Americans seems to worship (and not only, lol). Android FTW 8-)

Csimbi(07:52 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
@tride
iPhone sucks, I can agree on that.
The rest? Debatable as anything else on this thread.
But, I don't understand how you don't see a pattern.
So, just wait and we'll see.

I am not here to convince you, I am here to express my opinion - which, I think it worth 2 cents like any other.
Do I really need to express in every single post that anything I write (unless I use a reference) is my opinion?

tride(08:16 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
Hey man, nobody is saying it isnt your opinion.
All i say is that you look at those datesheets in a way that you WANT to look at them. All im saying is that i dissagree with you on your statement that SONY is going out of business.

People were talking all kinds of shit when the new gen consoles came out, years ago. Everyone were saying they will fail, wont sale etc. But look what happened ...

Sony is been around for long time and will be for far more... :)

But whatever man, no hard feelings :)

gx-x(08:30 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
tride>
Excuse me but WTF ? you are looking at share numbers to SONY corp. SO ?
That doesnt show or tell anything about PS2 and 3. Doesnt tell anything at all, compared to their rivals. ?!?!?!


PS is like 2-3% of the Sony venture, maybe even less. It's just a small piece of their venture. Even if they sold 1000000000000000 PS3s it wouldn't make much difference on their shares.

quote:
Their shares are going down a little, big fuckin deal man!


actually it is. It takes billions of dollars to drop from 30 to 20 per share in case of sony corp.

quote:
SONY is one of the biggest corps on this fuckin planet, lol!


no it's not. it's not even close: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_by_revenue :)
here you will find it in 477 place: http://www.forbes.com/global2000/#p_1_s_a0_All%20industries_All%20countries_All%20states_ (search it) Sony is one of the biggest Japanese companies, nothing else.


quote:
And by the way! Ive aways owned Sony phones. Way better than Iphone, that Americans seems to worship (and not only, lol). Android FTW 8-)


it's a matter of preference. Personally, I've owned sony-erricson phones and they were pretty good. Now, if we take xperia it's 'meh' compared to samsung, htc, moto and even LG.

-=WolverinE=-(10:56 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
This seems like a reasonable thing to do from their position. Most of their funds in the console market come from licenses and games so no surprise here.

I don't get why you hate on Sony for trying to protect their business. Yeah, it sucks for console players that they can't rent shit anymore, but think about this - when was the last time you rented a PC game? PC gamers have had their anal rape long time ago and Steam isn't helping either, although some worship Valve like a god...

People have less to spend every following year and companies are adapting to the shrinking market. Oh well...capitalism...

gx-x(11:55 PM CET - Jan,04 2013 )
-=WolverinE=-> This seems like a reasonable thing to do from their position.

and this:

quote:
People have less to spend every following year and companies are adapting to the shrinking market. Oh well...capitalism...


makes no sense. People have less to spend, people ARE the business to sony (income/profit) so sony decides to make people spend more?! Logic...none.

If they depend on games to cover console hardware expenses (which is lie made up by sony, there was nothing cheap about 600$ for PS3 when it came out) then they should concentrate to make either consoles cheaper (600$ is not cheap) or games cheaper and better. GT5 for 100$? Thats fucking greed, nothing more. Now they want to make games exclusive to one console so you cannot even take them to your friends house or to a party or whatever. Further more, they are going to hurt rental business so more people will have even less money. Not to mention that if they DO implement that drm thing they are going to be hurting their business. EU is going to outlaw their products since they will not be in accordance to EU laws.
And of course there is a matter of who will be stupid enough to purchase a console with such drm in the first place, especially after sony took a dump on their PS3 customers multiple times.

Csimbi(12:08 AM CET - Jan,05 2013 )
quote:
EU is going to outlaw their products since they will not be in accordance to EU laws.

I wonder what Sony's plan is regarding this.
EU usually stands up for customers, unlike other parts of the world.
So, it will boil down to two possibilities:
- either Sony complies with EU regulations (which means Sony won't be able to screw customers that much in the EU at least), or
- Sony simply does not sell such products in EU (which does not make much sense if they want a bigger market).
Looking at how the value of Sony is shrinking, I guess they'll choose to comply with the EU regulations.
But, it's all speculation at this point. We will see.

gx-x(12:16 AM CET - Jan,05 2013 )
Well, I just cannot see how this new drm scheme can help them make more money...If anything, it will reflect in opposite way. One thing must be considered - most sales that Sony makes are in Japan. Japan is it's biggest consumer. If Japanese go for it, sony will be fine and wont care too much about others. That being sad, I can see that others don't care much about sony either. Oh well, we will see. Sony had great ideas in the past too, like mini-disc :P

SABOT's(04:14 PM CET - Jan,05 2013 )
Tom> Stumpus, whatever I buy if it says Sony, I wont buy it. It's that simple. I have no Sony products in my house as of last November. Also I can buy used games in various places around me. What I can't get used I buy from the bargain bin. What I can't get in the bargain bin I get off Steam and Origin.
This isn't about Sony though is it? you're changing the thread to suit your resentment about Sony. The argument is about DRM. plain and simple.
Microsoft being the worlds BIGGEST culprit.
Clearly why you turn it on its head as if your family were attacked by a Sony employee is beyond me. Sure the PS3 had a firmware change that removed a second OS, but tell me something today that hasn't stayed the same on ANY bloody format. It makes you sound a tad immature.. As i've said, move on. Don't buy from Apple, Sony or whomever but at least keep the thread constructive and on track. I detest M$ and it's XBox -they kill gaming on PC,PS3 by purely buying out DLC and dev's. Now that is a reason to go cazy!
You've been flogging this dead horse for ages

Tom(09:43 PM CET - Jan,07 2013 )
Oh sorry Stumpus, I thought this thread was about how Sony is a POS for removing rentals from their future console. Talking about flogging a dead horse, how many times have you put M$ down on these forums, ya hypocrite.

Anyone with a brain on their shoulders will avoid Sony. Sony is a POS company that works against it's customers not for their customers.

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