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  • Medieval II: Total War (PC)
    Mage Knight: Apocalypse (PC)
    Europa Universalis III (PC)
    Warhammer: Mark of Chaos (PC)
    Battlefield 2142 MP Beta Impressions - Both FiringSquad and IGN have posted their Battlefield 2142 MP Beta Impressions. "Despite some of the differences, the maps felt strangely familiar to each other. They had their visual variations and dissimilar missile silo positions, but after a few minutes of intense play, the maps blended into one another. "
  • Crysis Feature Preview - Building a New Kind of First-Person Shooter Story - Crysis is a game that will forgive failure, so you don't have to worry about being perfect every time. For example, you'll battle alongside other Special Forces operators who are part of your team. Each of these guys may have an important role in the game, but if they get in a bad situation and you can't save them, they can be killed off before they can perform that role.
  • The Witcher: Blog Update - The Witcher blog has been updated with a conversation on their time at the Leipzig GC.
  • Lineage II: Chronicle 5 'Hunting Grounds' Trailer  - The Lineage II team has released a new movie that shows the hunting grounds that will be available in the upcoming Chronicle 5: Oath of Blood. The visuals are great & North American Associate Producer Tim Tan explains each area.
  • Stranglehold Trailer (HD) - Midway released a new trailer for the highly anticipated, 3rd person action game, Stranglehold.
  • Warhammer: Mark of Chaos movie - A trailer featuring footage of the chaos army in Warhammer: Mark of Chaos, a real-time strategy game set in the renowned Warhammer world, featuring epic battles within massive landscapes.
  • FlatOut 2 Euro Patch - Empire Interactive Support page offers a new version 1.1 beta patch for the European and German version of FlatOut 2, Bugbear Entertainment's racing sequel. FYI, I started playing the North American version of this today, and it seems like they've made some improvements over the first one!
  • Paradise Patch v1.1.3 -  A new Paradise Patch (release notes) is now available, updating White Birds Productions' adventure game to version 1.1.3.
  • Strategy First Dumps Jagged Alliance Dev Team  - Publisher Strategy First sent out a press release announcing  that their agreements with Game Factory Interactive relative to the development, publishing and distribution of the titles 'Jagged Alliance 3' and 'Jagged Alliance 3D' have been terminated. Game Factory Interactive will therefore not have any right to publish, distribute, license nor to develop any Jagged Alliance title or derivative products for any platform. Strategy First is confident that it will access additional development resources so that the new addition to the Jagged Alliance franchise will not only equal but surpass its predecessors in scope and play value.
  • Weekly Steam News Update - Sept 1 - Just seems like a little recap of the week's events. No new news about the economy changes being planned for CS: Source. No news about the Portal footage that was shown at Leipzig.
  • Company of Heroes Demo Next Week - The final demo will be available on Tuesday at Noon Eastern time. Word is: "The single-player demo (1.8GB) includes new Skirmish content between the Axis and Allied forces."
  • Rein: Leipzig Will Replace E3 - Epic Games VP, Mark Rein extols the virtues of the Leipzig Game Convention to Eurogamer TV in an as-yet-unbroadcast interview. "The only negative about it that I can think of, and this is more a Germany thing than it is of the show, is it's very hard to show mature games here because of the rules that they have," he explained. "I did an interview and showed a trailer of UT and they had to kick everyone out who was under 18 and close a curtain around, just in case some child saw it - that's a little crazy."
  • Devil May Cry 4 Info Soon - Capcom has launched a teaser web site for Devil May Cry 4. The site has a message hinting that more info about the upcoming and latest game in the action series will be revealed in about a week's time.
  • Just Cause (Xbox 360)
    Final Fantasy XII Update (PS2) - The big news in the demo was that the game is being enhanced to include 16x9 widescreen support for the US. Though the new display option doesn't include progressive-scan support, it's still a smart addition that highlights the game's gorgeous visuals. The new display showcases the detailed art style in the game, as well as the impressive scope of its massive environments, especially the cities. It's quite cool to roam the various settlements you'll encounter, which will range from sprawling metropolises to more modest-sized burgs.
  • Halo 3 Tidbits - Bungie has posted this week's update, and it containts the smallest bits of info on Halo 3.
  • Vivendi Hitting XboxLive Arcade With 5 Games - You will be able to get your hands on games like "Megaforce", "3D Ultra Mini Golf", "Red Baron," and another two (one based on "The Incredible Machine" and the other based on the popular TV series "Battlestar Galactica").
  • No HDMI Cable Included with PS3 - In case you were wondering, according to Sony's official PS3 website, your holiday 1080p powerhouse won't be coming with an HDMI cable to hook up to your HDTV. This comes as no suprise, as consoles tend to come with only the most common connection for the market. That, and a decent HDMI cable should cost you less than $30 these days. Well, did anyone ever really thought the PS3 was coming with HDMI cables?  :-]
last 10 comments:
El_Coyote(01:47 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
mwahah im playing the new Dawn of War demo untill i get my preorder of the game! :P

(02:36 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
8) Right now, I'm playing Flatout 2.... :wink:

djRom(04:33 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
FlatOut 2 rocks! I am so glad I bought it! Multiplayer is awesome, and so much fun! And only 30$! :)

Safer(06:13 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
Muhaha! Playing around on a private Lineage 2 server and getting pissed all day long at PK people with 30 levels above one self... so not muhhaha essenstially

Hmm... Flatout...

SABOT's(08:00 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
I have been playing the 'Company of Heroes' demo to bits!
As far as full games go;
Splinter Cell Chaos Theory
Oblivion
Broken Sword Sleeping Dragon
LOTR Battle of Middle Earth
Beyond Good and Evil 8)

Safer(08:14 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
Stumpus: Solid and great games straight through.
But "Beyond Good and Evil", probably taken from Nietzches "Jenseits von Gut und Böse" by some loon, is the real gem - I played that game to bits when I by a coincidence got my hands on it.

Great music, story, charachters (Jade for the win!) - everything!

Hold on to it ;)

SABOT's(10:19 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
Safer> Stumpus: Solid and great games straight through.
But "Beyond Good and Evil", probably taken from Nietzches "Jenseits von Gut und Böse" by some loon, is the real gem - I played that game to bits when I by a coincidence got my hands on it.

Great music, story, charachters (Jade for the win!) - everything!

Hold on to it ;)


Yeah it's a pure classic, reminds me of games like 'Fade to Black','Another World','Sam & Max' and 'Grim Fandango' to name but a slight few of my classics i own -solid everything! When games where GAMES.

By the way since "Beyond Good and Evil" blew your socks off ;) You would def like "Psychonauts' that ranks up there with the 'best ever' games in history category.
Another *amazing* story with unusual gameplay was "Farenheit" -Grab the demos here on Gameguru and see what you think.

Cheers

Safer(10:34 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
Stumpus> Safer> Stumpus: Solid and great games straight through.
But "Beyond Good and Evil", probably taken from Nietzches "Jenseits von Gut und Böse" by some loon, is the real gem - I played that game to bits when I by a coincidence got my hands on it.

Great music, story, charachters (Jade for the win!) - everything!

Hold on to it ;)


Yeah it's a pure classic, reminds me of games like 'Fade to Black','Another World','Sam & Max' and 'Grim Fandango' to name but a slight few of my classics i own -solid everything! When games where GAMES.

By the way since "Beyond Good and Evil" blew your socks off ;) You would def like "Psychonauts' that ranks up there with the 'best ever' games in history category.
Another *amazing* story with unusual gameplay was "Farenheit" -Grab the demos here on Gameguru and see what you think.

Cheers


Farenheit - or Indigo Prophecy was a excellent game, the only noted I have on is that it ties up the ending a bit to fast - other than that - excellent game, excellent story, gameplay, MUSIC and the setting... the first thrill when you see the winter swept lonely streets of New York... mmm... coosy.

Psychonauts I never got to play as well as a bunch of other games released just then - but since I get to hear more and more warm words about I'll pick it up as soon as possible. ;)

Can't neglect something that can seems to owe up to the title "Classic" you know.

Edit; Have any of you happen to play this wonderfull little game called "Gigant Citizen Kabuto"? Brittish humour, for that time new game play elements and slightly wierd family tale packed in one box. :P

SABOT's(11:21 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
Yes your very right about 'Farenheit' re: the ending, similar to good films/movies as far as that goes eh. Still i had had enough at that point -of wanting to see the end- so it suited me. There is a follow-up in the making. 8)

Oh ho,ho. 'Giants' was/is utter insanity! (yes i own it) i love the pi$$ take of the Scottish accent -yes i'm a scot as you can see- they got that down to a tee!! So full of originality, what more can you say.

You've got class, nice to meet a guy that enjoys quality :wink: I've been in the PC game for 11-12years and played games like '7th Guest','Shivers',Simon the Sorceror 1 & 2 (3 was/is crappo!) 'Blade Runner' even 'Under a Killing Moon'. Mention games like those to folks and they go '?'
Last i looked i had 300 going on 400 PC games of all generes. I truly love games that are well put together, like playing a book!
Now of course it get's harder but there's no doubt that even the <cough> PS2 has some very cleverly witten classics that wont make a PC anytime soon; 'Ico','Forbidden Siren','Shadow of the Colosus and even the 'Silent Hill' series are amazing to me (clever japanese -nothing new there eh?)

Ozieo(11:56 PM CEST - Sep,02 2006 )
PES 5. Too bad I lost all progress due to the configuration getting corrupt bug.

Safer(12:25 AM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
Stumpus> Yes your very right about 'Farenheit' re: the ending, similar to good films/movies as far as that goes eh. Still i had had enough at that point -of wanting to see the end- so it suited me. There is a follow-up in the making. 8)

Oh ho,ho. 'Giants' was/is utter insanity! (yes i own it) i love the pi$$ take of the Scottish accent -yes i'm a scot as you can see- they got that down to a tee!! So full of originality, what more can you say.

You've got class, nice to meet a guy that enjoys quality :wink: I've been in the PC game for 11-12years and played games like '7th Guest','Shivers',Simon the Sorceror 1 & 2 (3 was/is crappo!) 'Blade Runner' even 'Under a Killing Moon'. Mention games like those to folks and they go '?'
Last i looked i had 300 going on 400 PC games of all generes. I truly love games that are well put together, like playing a book!
Now of course it get's harder but there's no doubt that even the <cough> PS2 has some very cleverly witten classics that wont make a PC anytime soon; 'Ico','Forbidden Siren','Shadow of the Colosus and even the 'Silent Hill' series are amazing to me (clever japanese -nothing new there eh?)


Thanks - it's equally fun to meet someone who share ones taste of the more...exquisite of gaming - so to speak. ;) (And Simon 3 did suck)

I haven't counted my games for long but I'm increadibly picky about what I put in my collection but around 200 games - all in all (without checking) true gems. :P

I acctually have this agitade interest in japanease games so Ico, Forbidden, Xenogears (I must mention Xeongears - such a great game) , and of course - the monstrosity of a masterpiece that is Shadow of the Colossus.

I think that the epitome of 2005 year's total experience and fun in gaming was meet and squashed at the very moment I sat almost with tears in my eyes before Shadow of the Colossos... *Brr* It was, and still is like being 5 years old and everything is new when you just sit there and watch the game.

Close to my heart we also have pics of the Final Fantasy series - Sephiroth in the flames of Nibielheim is as increadibly chilling and cool as it was the first time.

I digress, but I'm with you on the book part it's what drives me to play a game and ultimetly find those wonderful masterpices or short of masterpices; just wonderful experiences.

To continue offtopic or whatever we are doing; How are you on the RTS front? Two of the most precious of games I can find regarding what they ment, still mean and how they affected me; Total Annihilation - the overlord of true mass warfare (Kingdoms sucked) and Homeworld... Oh Homeworld... brilliant in EVERY ASPECT.

Sorry to drag on :P

xxxx(01:23 AM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
Honeslty, I'd like to see a picture of your 400 pc games.

I'd imagine at the time of Killing Moon and Blade Runner you were getting them ripped. Games were a synch to rip back then or had stupid code wheels and things. I remember renting them and spending a few hours copying by hand those intricate protection schemes. I have a tremendous amount of games. I have my original Rise of the Triad box! Only recently I threw out all my 5 1/4 disks from 80's and before!

At the same time you need to remember that there are a hell of a lot more gamers these days and a lot more games then there was back then. With such a immense selection of games these days people are so spread out. When internet gaming took off it just spread people more.

I don't think anyone has 'class' because they played something you did. You mention Quality games, quality, in your opinion. I think you forget obvious 'facts of the time' of release of those games.

darknothing(02:58 AM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
flatout 2 dose rock. !!!!

devilhood(04:09 AM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
I've probably got close to 300 or so as well, excluding all the Abandonware, which isn't actually that big a number.
I have a rediculously large retro gaming collection though.

hrm, let's see what I'm playing.

Shadow Of Colossus again, for the 5th time on Hard Mode.
Fallout 2 (with the unofficial patches)
BFME 2
Rollercoaster Tycoon 3
Oblivion with Oscuro's 1.3 patch
Unreal Tournament (the original and best)
System Shock 2 (with the texture mods and balancing fixes)
Bounty Bob Strikes Back on the Commodore 64.
Still trying to complete Exile on the Commodore Amiga after so long.
I intend on playing the Silent Hill series through again just so my girlfriend can experience the true horror of it all :lol:

Safer, I complete agree about Xenogears, I played it straight after completing FF7 and loved it to bits :)
You should try getting hold of the Yasunori Mitsuda & Millennial recording of the Xenogears music, truely excellent studio renditions of the in-game music.

Safer(01:57 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
devilhood; I do have the recordings ;) Great music fan of both Mitsuda, Kō Ōtani (The guy who wrote the soundtrack for SoTC) and Uematsu - while I do have a pretty big collection of CD's I have imported, now most of the music I have moved to digital form (FLAC) or have as images - a bit more hasselfree I think.

Tetsuya Takahashi - the creator of Xeongears also wrote the script for Xenosaga (which I'm currently playing through due to some problems getting them imported) has himself noted that the scrips meant for a 5 part series was considerbly cut only to 3 which I have noted since things feel a bit "compact" even in the first episod.
Yet I love the subtle the Nietzchan title; Der Wille zur Macht - the Will to Power.

devilhood(02:31 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
I have the three parts to the Xenosaga series but I've never got round to actually playing them past the intro bits. I'll get round to it at some point though.
I'm quite found of the soundtrack for Castlevania Symphony of The Night on the PSX as well, or Dracula X as it is known in Japan.
SoTC 2 on the PS3 is going to be delicious :lol:
You've moved onto FLAC? you must store a great deal of your stuff on DVD's then, I tend to keep most of the good stuff on my hard-disks.
I usually encode any music I have at 320kbps MP3 PRO, because it preserves a great deal more of the high-frequencies than L.A.M.E. compression, but for any audio bootlegs I keep them as FLAC or SHN (I'm an avid collector of Radiohead's live performances).
You aren't a Remix64 fan by any chance are you?

Genoism(03:46 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
ive pretty much quit xenosaga 2...the music drives me insane, the boss fights are totally insanely hard...u actually need to GRIND lvls for hours to be slightly effective....the 'secrety key 2065' to some stupid door that ill never find for some lousy item or a needed skill is utter trash.

The puzzles...oh god...they are the shittiest excuse of puzzles i've ever heard. I dont even call them puzzles, they are time sinks...these people had so little content to add into this game that they could only fill it with time sinks. THATS sad. THe sound effects in addition to the music are TERRIBLE, top that with horrible voice acting and u have little to no inspiration to play the game...i hear xenosaga 3 will explain EVERYTHING that has happened upto then, and the music/sound effects/voice/battle system are improved...maybe ill buy it when its cheap.

Safer(03:52 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
Remix64, never gotten around to dwellwe myself into it. But I love OCremix for their Final Fantasy and Chrono Trigger mixes. :P

I store all my stuff on HDD's since my last try to keep DVD's of everything kinda when down the drain... 200+ DVD's and no equipment or capability to keep a good library or storage of dem >_>

Will probably keep them that way till I get myself a nice bluray burner and/or holodisks in a few years.

SoTC 2 is maybe THE reason for a PS3 ... of course we have any other RPG *cough* Final Fantasy *cough* that will go there... Yay!

*boots up amarok and plays: Shadow of the Colossos - Roar of the Earth - The Farthest Land*

devilhood(04:08 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
If you want to store your DVD's properly, just get a couple of shelving compartments from Ikea and label each section with stick-on tabs :P
You can also get specialized spindles with bookmarks to use for them.
I'm not sure if I'd get too optimistic about Bluray as we've yet to know whether or not Sony's format will really evolve into an affordable and long-lasting standard; but I suppose if HDMI really kicks off and more people have it, movies will have to be supplied on Bluray anyways.
SoTC 2 AND Silent Hill 5 though, I'm a huge fan of the Silent Hill so I've been really eager for the sequel since completing the fourth in the series.

Safer(05:30 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
Got very little space in my apparment but I'm thinking of putting a shelf on the wall - hmmm... And I think that bluray will be the winner, if any in this next-gen optical storage media chaos that will ensu.

It will probably depend on Sony making it cheap enough - because the capacity is there after all - vastly more storage then the HD-DVD thingy (which I find a bit distubing as Microsoft won't even support it fully by delivering games on...pffft)

Current goal; Get my self a new desk - can't fit a 21", 19", speakers and 17" laptop on it so it needs go in favor something larger :P

devilhood(05:55 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
Price is definitely the issue, with Dual Layer discs still costing between £10 and £15 for a pack of 10, I'd hate to see what price Sony would deem as acceptable for a pack of 10 Bluray discs :shock:

Safer(06:01 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
As long as it's on the same level as that for a 500GB HDD - which equals a 10 pack of bluray disks at 50GB each, it's kinda useless to buy the 10 pack.

devilhood(06:59 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
Yes, prices would have to be reasonably within a comparative range along with HDD's when sold in packs.
I wasn't saying that people WOULD actually buy a 10 pack, but merely exaggerating the annoyance of pricing for such media, because they are essentially consumables and not hefty big external hard-disks.
The amount people store on their system is growing with each passing year, and so is the demand of quality and standards. I could easily see people buying a few packs and then transferring any DVD backed up data onto the new format and creating ISO collections or entire Music Catalogues.
My guess is, in the future, Bluray could possibly be a format that offers the same kind of variety in available size as with a HDD, because Toshiba have already developed a 200GB version.

Safer(07:40 PM CEST - Sep,03 2006 )
I'm sorry if my repsonse back there citate you as people WOULD buy a 10 pack - not my intention.

God bless Toshiba :P

However, I'm sceptical to HD-DVD as it is a simple extention to a exsisting technology, few gigs and then leave it at that and of course point at Sony's overprotection of their new cool format.

Time will tell. :P

Eitherway - the uprunning years towards 2010 will be interesting inregards of all technology.

SABOT's(01:09 PM CEST - Sep,04 2006 )
XXXX, well i never had 'rips' of any of those games -in fact the only 2 games i ever zipped up (remember PKZip? i loved that DOS prog \:D/ were Quake1 and Quake 2 (i ultimately bought them on CD) Besides you COULDN'T own a CD writer back in the early 90's -you were talking about £1-2000 for one!! My first QUAD (yep x4 speed) CD-ROM cost me £140!

Yeah i would love a pic of my 400+ games also but they are impossible to layout in a one-bedroom flat! Besides they are stored away in every nook and crany ;) I just dug them out about 2years ago and counted & jotted them down, then packed away and carried on etc.

Back on topic; yes i too own 'Rise of the Triads' (God mode as the dog was hilarious so to was the magic mushroom effect!), can't remember if i have the box? But i do have the original Doom1 (3 floppies) and box.
As far as hardware goes, i own the FIRST TRUE 2D/3D card which was the Matrox Mystique -all 2mb of it! I then bought the Diamond Monster 3D 4mb -the original 3DFX vodoo1 card which connected by way of pass-thru cable.
Some of the first games i owned which were originaly VGA and were patched to work on the above cards in 3D <cough> LOL were; Tomb Raider1,Mech warrior1,Scorched planet,Carmageddon,Shadow Warrior,EF2000,Dungeon Keeper and Interstate '76 to name a few.
I still have my original *working* Win95/DOS 6.22 dual boot with menu for Himem Sys,Expanded Mem etc Pentium 200,64mb EDO RAM, 2x 1Gig HDDs and the above cards in it.

Safer, 'Homeworld' blew me away! The voices and music were like nothing i had ever played! I eventualy bought 'The Ladder' album for the title track 'Homeworld' by Yes just FOR the title track :)
I never mentioned Final Fantasy, i never played any of the series since i owned a Mega Drive (or Genesis for you folks over the pond :)) But i got Final Fantasy X and X-2 for my PS2. Very unusual to say the least -clever Manga 'film' sequences and HUGELY deep -maybe tooo deep and i wont finishes them? :cry:
Some of my all time fav RTS that i played inc 'Homeworld' (not many)
Balders Gate
Command & Conquer
Soldiers Heroes of WW2
Shogun:Total War
Medieval: Total War
Rome:Total War
IS KOTOR an RTS?
B&W1/2
Dungeon Keeper 1/2
Warcraft
Settlers

I may have a few more, but those spring to mind.

My biggest passion was flight sims in the early 90's to approx 2000. Jane's,DID,Microprose,Rowan,Empire,DI even Microsoft!

These make up a huge bulk of my software. I also love SWAT series,Hidden & Dangerous,Raven Shield,Morrowind trilogy,Oblivion,Operation Flashpoint,Wargasm,Silent Hunter 3 and TAW -games that have (had) replayability!

Here's some more weird games that i collected

'Earthsiege 2'
'Creatures' (remember that? Amazing AI teach them to talk LOL ;) )
'Ecstatica', cerificate 18, 1994 (the **WEIRDEST** most violent game i ever owned - a complete collectors title if you can get it!)
'Little Big Adventure' :)
'Space Hulk'
'Absolute Zero' -another weird collectors title imo
'Magic Carpet' if only for the stereo 3D glasses!
'Fade to Black' -classic!
'Blam Machinehead!' PS2 port clever nontheless.
'Blood' hilarious!
'Toonstruck' The first workable animation and human title that was funny also
'Mortal Coil' for the diabolical voice acting of Dani Behr! LOL but a daring game that probably was the first to allow you to setup 'tactical' waypoint movements for your charcters.

Here's the blurb
"MORTAL COIL
(IBM PC) ( Virgin/Vic Tokai )

1st and 3rd-person perspective real-time strategy/spec-ops game, including:-

shoot-em-up action within a free-roaming environment
Multiple-characters
Ability to set waypoints for characters when not under player control, allowing campaign planning
Thrilling plot with twist in the tale ending -- multiple outcomes plus bonus level
Each character has extensive range of speech
Advanced artificial intelligence for player characters and enemies
My involvement included originating the concept with Tony Jackson, Creative Director at Crush!. Based on Tony's concept "Candy", I wrote the storyline for the game, scripted the six voice parts, negotiated with voice-agents for the vocal talent , and gave voice direction during voice-over recording (including Dani Behr, Brian Bowles, Fiona Allen and Ed Bishop). I also negotiated the funding for the game development, in collaboration with Crush's agent, Jacqui Lyons

I produced the game during development, co-ordinating project scheduling, technical and graphical issues

Mortal Coil received a lot of media coverage. See right-hand panel for some stills from the television show "Live & Kicking" – the segment called ‘Electric Circus’, that featured our game as one of a new breed of innovative game. It scored 90%.

The game was also featured on the television show "Bad Influence" – it highlighted the game’s innovative features, including multiple characters, waypoint settings and replaceable sounds. In the right-hand panel the pop group China Black are shown using this feature on the TV show. The game scored 93%"

Anyway, as you can see i can go on forever practicaly with some of my titles!

SABOT's(02:40 PM CEST - Sep,04 2006 )
There is a certain 'class' gamer out there xxxx, the problem is they *are* few and far between. The biggest selling games are by and large for the 'masses'. Take 'Ico' for eg, it skipped over 99% of gamers heads because it never had big explosions or guns. It bombed and fizzled out, it started exchanging on Ebay for nearly twice retail !! #-o The result through some sort of 'gamer delayed action' is it was re-released for those sloooow on the uptake.

Games like Giants,Psychonauts,Ico,Shadow:OTC,Sam & Max,Simon 1/2 for eg require input from the gamer -sadly that *is* what is lacking from certain gamers today, the attention span of a goldfish is what i'm saying.

So yes; to sit and play a game that thrills you, because it THRILLED the developer making it, AND because HE/THEY put that much effort into developing it is unique. You wont find many gamers today that can play such a wide genre. It's a case of "play and finish inside a few days, then exchange it" and so on -or cheat their way through.

Take Oblivion for eg I'm 126 hours into it and still not even started the second MAIN quest, why? because that is the *way* i play games. I like exploring to find out what dev's have put in -on the otherhand, some games like 'Farenheit' follow an unusual path (mentaly) and with the 'simon says' buttons -strange that was!??

It's the shallow, catatonic affairs that are called 'games' today that i cannot be bothered with -HL2 episode# is an insult, which sells by the bucket load?????
As long as there are the Creative Assembly,Bohemia Interactive and Bethesda's of this world i will be a happy bunny!

Safer(03:48 PM CEST - Sep,04 2006 )
Mmmm... Bohemia... Operation Flashpoint: Cold War Crisis... *remembers how he once got chased for the first time down a hill by a T72*

Also, KOTOR and Baldurs Gate are RPGs ;) just for the record.

Fun to hear about more gamers who won't gobble up and praise every piece of so called gaming-software that is spit out of EA's large backside. :)

xxxx(05:59 AM CEST - Sep,07 2006 )
Stumpus> You've got class, nice to meet a guy that enjoys quality :wink: I've been in the PC ...


Doesn't appear to be what you said, but whatever...

I'd really like to see those 400 games though..I keep all my games on shelves near my pc's. I've got games before my Apple ][+. Ever play Wolfenstein? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Wolfenstein

Or the Original Bards Tale? that was a fun game..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bard%27s_Tale_%281985%29

Wasteland? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasteland_%28computer_game%29

I was one of the first to play this on a TI machine...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizard_of_Wor

Ever play this? This was a riot and a classic...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Chess

Other games I thought were cool were Chivalry not to mention a sleu of C64 games..In Chivalry it was great getting the bitch in the tin can!! Hehehe.. I can still see that game in my head... lol.

Let's not forget Ultima.. I still have my disks. Apple ][, that is...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultima_1

All top notch games "at their time". Good quality and not really any bugs.

I ask people about these games and they go, huh? Doesn't give me a superiority complex or anything, it's just unfortunate they didn't play it..

Everyone has different 'tastes' in games. I'm sure there are a lot of classics you don't know about that I played to death. Doesn't make me any better than anyone else..

I've been solidly gaming, buying and getting free games for nearly 30 years, non-stop practically! It's just too bad it doesn't pay.

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