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 Gameguru Mania News - Nov,27 2006 -  
Did Consoles Kill the PC as a Gaming Platform? - briefly
(hx) 03:39 PM CET - Nov,27 2006 - Post a comment / read (19)
Playfuls.com has posted an interesting article called 'Analysis: Did Consoles Kill the PC as a Gaming Platform?' Here's an excerpt:
Although concurrence is good on the market, the fact that MS entered the console domain with Xbox has seriously affected the Windows platform. They managed to attract many hardcore gamers to Xbox, Xbox 360 and Xbox Live, bringing absolutely nothing new for gaming on the Windows platform in the last decade. The paradox continues: although Xbox still produces losses, has very tough rivals and functions on the 'we hope that...' principle, Windows is still benefiting from being the dominant platform, but pays the losses produced by a product that strangulates its success. This creates a chain reaction: lack of interest for Windows/PC gaming generates lagging sales; lagging sales generate either bankruptcy or console-orientation for publishers and producers; this means a reduced number of PC titles and so on...

The future does not look good either: Gabe Newell declared once that he does not find in Vista anything that might help him in any way possible. Coming from a guy like him, that's just awful. But what is Windows Vista doing for gamers is really not that spectacular: an automated detection system that chooses the right settings for a game, based on the installed hardware; improved parental control, for games rated 'M'; the possibility to access games from a separate menu (now that's just like a useless appendix...); the possibility to search for upgrades automatically (no thanks, games have that too...); Direct X 10 (yeah, I'll need to buy a new graphics card to have Aero work...). And only a single famous title that will fully use Vista's capabilities for 64-bit computing and its DX 10 feature: Crysis, produced by Crytek. Of course, to be able to play it you'll need to totally renew your PC, which might just make you think a PS3 or an Xbox 360 or even a Wii is not that bad...

Which brings us to our next chapter: having fun on PC is more expensive than having fun on consoles. You constantly have to upgrade your hardware to be able to play new games at full detail, on high res. Settings like anti-aliasing or anisotropic filtering are already obsolete, although still used; the degree of realism now depends on whether you can activate soft shadows, volumetric lights or Pixel Shader 3.0 (at minimum). That of course requires you to buy the latest GPU, just to see than in less than a year you need a new one...
last 10 comments:
yhancik(06:25 PM CET - Nov,27 2006 )
Did Consoles Kill the PC ?

no, XXXX did !

yhancik(06:49 PM CET - Nov,27 2006 )
but more seriously, they have a point..
especially about the shaders

The shaders do absolutely great things, but we rely too much on them
Which leads to situations where you have a relatively recent and able card, But you can't play the game because it requires the version x.y and you only have the x.y-1 one.

That's something great about the Source Engine (at least in HL2), it's very flexible and works as well on DX7 than with shaders 3.0 on DX9.
And don't tell me "yes but it looks like shit on DX7"... for a DX7 engine, it looks great. If you're stuck on a DX7 card, you're pretty happy to be able to run it.

I understand that you can't have every game supporting the 10 previous generations of graphic cards... but a little more scalibility would be good for everyone... and you won't feel like you have to throw 400$ in hardware every year to be able to play on a computer.

Now if there wasn't that frigging race for the best graphics, we wouldn't be there...

SABOT's(09:09 PM CET - Nov,27 2006 )
Remember, without PCs you wouldn't have consoles, and if it wasn't for 3D cards in the PC we would still be playing Sinclair Spectrum LOL. And all console games are made on PC anyway!
Seriously, PCs are like cars -you'll never stop people buying way,way over priced systems (cars) that *still*, essentialy, all do the same thing.

It's how you use them and where, that makes the difference.

I cannot be bothered with a console -yes i own the Xbox and PS2, but they are gathering dust now for the past year. I love being able to buy hardware that eeks some more performance and quality out of my games -you *can't*, and never will, be able to do that with a console. Sorry, 'one shoe fits all' is all that consoles do. Do you suffer from loading poor distance rendering/drawing? well 'tough, get used to it' is the moto of a console.
M$ *has* to make Vista work -or sell. Who cares that they do not produce a quality game? Put it this way, if they don't do any future OS then they *HAVE* to support an OS indefinately. Otherwise they get NO sales and neither do hardware manufacturers or PC sellers.
The result is obvious for all to see, M$ would go completely bust overnight -that aint going to happen!
It's in their interest to promote gaming on the PC. The consoles are different, they make MASSIVE license sales on XBox games and they sell to practicaly EVERY age group under the sun and still make a profit.

If the PC was dead, do you think places like PC World or thousands of other online etailers would be selling graphics cards (at £400) and motherboards etc,etc?
Nope, didn't think so either :lol:

xxxx(10:32 PM CET - Nov,27 2006 )
What a dumb and pointless statement. 'Without PC's you wouldn't have consoles'. Who gives a shit? Like DUH! Really?! Gawd..gimme a gun will ya! (He reminds me of Bill Gates in South Park, I'm Bill Gates, blah blah, BANG!)

- Consoles make more financial sense.
- Consoles already have shown us some pretty amazing games
- Most people today are fed up with or don't care to get PC's cuz it's a money hole.
- More and more people are realizing they don't have to stick $600-$1000 into their box to play games every 6months to a year.
- Lot's don't have to worry about making mistakes and buying the wrong cards or other peripherals.
- People don't have to mess with drivers or wait for serious bugs that stop them from playing their sames as console priced game.
- Worryring about a stupid OS just to get their games working.
- Don't have to worry as much when you are playing your favorite game that people are cheating.
- Consoles are displayed everywhere in every electronic store..PC displays? non-existent! Unless you call that piece of junk infront of The Source or Radio Shack something... :shock:
- Local computer shops have small inventories and typically have to order in your request. Lots of stores come and go. Is that because people are going out and buying lots of PC stuff?
- Magazine counts for console are leaving PC mags in the dust. I can barely find a PC Gamer or CGW at the magazine stores and then a lot have converted to displaying these new mags with both Console and PC games and the PC stuff is like 5-10 pages in the back

PC is on the brink of destruction imo, until nVidia and ATI change their pricing methods the PC market for games is going to continue to shrink.

PC, despite the exception of a few games has become a platform for people who have lots of money, lots of time and not a lot of sense.

I'll personally always had a PC because my career and my work all revolve around requiring a PC. But even for me, playing PC and console games for the past 25 years, the PC will only be for general things and not just a game machine. Perhaps that odd PC game, but I don't see anything on the horizon that's going to make me hug my PC any more than I am now..

H4T3(11:09 PM CET - Nov,27 2006 )
That is the stupidest thing I have ever read !!

PC GAMING WILL NEVER DIE !!!

Every year its the same people say pc gaming is dying HAHAHA

Consoles are crap and for kids period, real gaming is on a PC, no wonder Nvidia is still making vid cards, the 8800 GTX is the most advanced piece of technology ever created and yes it beats the PS3 by FAR, and you cant say pc gaming is expensive vs consoles when you have to buy a 2000$ hdtv to play your consoles nowadays, not only that but the PC can handle double the resolution and double the framerate QUADSLI 8800 GTX+ Quadcore CPU + 2048 * 1024 16x AA 16x FSAA NOTHING beats that sorry, you fail. Now if you want to play silly games for kids and shooters with a GAMEPAD (HAHAHAHALOLOL a gamepad) go ahead buy yourself a kidbox PC isnt for you, ill stick with my PC ever since I played a FPS with a mouse I never went back to a console. Now maybe consoles make more money but why you think ? maybe theres more kids to buy them, and more idiots that dont know how to run a pc thats why they sell more but are they any better ? NO GOD NO ! PC is for the elite crowd for sure, consoles are for the general market (the noobs) oh and BTW I have no problem finding the PC GAMER in my local store, PC GAMING will never die and is getting even better, the future for PC is brighter than ever !! with vista and Direct x 10 the next gen consoles are already behind and are gonna be for the next 6 years ouch !!! thank you come again my friend!

SABOT's(11:31 PM CET - Nov,27 2006 )
H4T3> That is the stupidest thing I have ever read !!

PC GAMING WILL NEVER DIE !!!

Every year its the same people say pc gaming is dying HAHAHA

Consoles are crap and for kids period, real gaming is on a PC, no wonder Nvidia is still making vid cards, the 8800 GTX is the most advanced piece of technology ever created and yes it beats the PS3 by FAR, and you cant say pc gaming is expensive vs consoles when you have to buy a 2000$ hdtv to play your consoles nowadays, not only that but the PC can handle double the resolution and double the framerate QUADSLI 8800 GTX+ Quadcore CPU + 2048 * 1024 16x AA 16x FSAA NOTHING beats that sorry, you fail. Now if you want to play silly games for kids and shooters with a GAMEPAD (HAHAHAHALOLOL a gamepad) go ahead buy yourself a kidbox PC isnt for you, ill stick with my PC ever since I played a FPS with a mouse I never went back to a console. Now maybe consoles make more money but why you think ? maybe theres more kids to buy them, and more idiots that dont know how to run a pc thats why they sell more but are they any better ? NO GOD NO ! PC is for the elite crowd for sure, consoles are for the general market (the noobs) oh and BTW I have no problem finding the PC GAMER in my local store, PC GAMING will never die and is getting even better, the future for PC is brighter than ever !! with vista and Direct x 10 the next gen consoles are already behind and are gonna be for the next 6 years ouch !!! thank you come again my friend!


That'll be xxxx put in his place then!

quote:
What a dumb and pointless statement. 'Without PC's you wouldn't have consoles'. Who gives a shit? Like DUH! Really?! Gawd..gimme a gun will ya! (He reminds me of Bill Gates in South Park, I'm Bill Gates, blah blah, BANG!)


Erm..You give a SHIT! Because you've just spouted off about 'Console this?,Console that?' THEN shat over your own statement twerp! Like Duhhh!!! YOUR the console monkey moaning about the PC! :roll: Oh FFS, is this guy for REAL!!!!...... You got more mood changes than a prostitute changes it's knickers.

Oh and good to see your never going to grow up? I recon your about 9 years old and probably born in a test tube?.....keeping a misquoted sig like a sniggering child :roll: Grow up eh!?

Safer(12:06 AM CET - Nov,28 2006 )
The comments in the brackets are mine, the other is the writ of XXXX or our own console hugger of doom! ;)

- Consoles make more financial sense. [If you want a system dedicated to the sole function of running certain games. Absolutly.]

- Consoles already have shown us some pretty amazing games [Indeed. Final Fantasy, Halo, 7th Guest... I mean... Zelda. Phew. Equally I think that the PC platform has given us increadible games as well. And will continue doing so for a long time to come.]

- Most people today are fed up with or don't care to get PC's cuz it's a money hole. [A totally subjective statement. If you got the money, you probably invest in something that interest you or attract your attention. Considering the vast magnitude of things you can do on a PC besides gaming, many lay down a pretty penny on a good PC.]

- More and more people are realizing they don't have to stick $600-$1000 into their box to play games every 6months to a year. [Again, subjective. Let's have a look on Japan, the whole gaming market consist almost entirely of console games for a the mainstream consumer and quick time powered hentai games for the PC. In contrast you find the exact opposite on the other side of the water mass in China where PC gaming is an immense market. You are however you speak truthfully that there are staggering costs to keeping a high end PC, however mainstream consumers seldom invest into power monsters but play their games on medium eye candy. What one should consider is how well next-gen consoles graphically will appeal versus the oncoming delivery of high end graphic chipset and CPU integrated on the same die which should reduce prices for good PC's considerably. Continuing the same line of thought is how well consoles will adapt to become "gaming computers" as they get fitted with a considerably interesting variety of common PC abilites and how this will affect the PC's precens on the gaming market.]

- Lot's don't have to worry about making mistakes and buying the wrong cards or other peripherals. [This is more or less the "fault" of the retail industry who, instead of touting a simple scheme of "this junk works with this software" advertising configuration like the console has so simplicitly pre-made for themselves, they do a "bigger is BETTER" type of scheme to appeal to people who "want the best" (aka suckers). I mainly see this as a artifact from days past since it's only of yesteryears endevours that 3d graphics and massive hardware have become truly vital and mainstream in ones daily gaming activities. How it will transcend or remain is uncertain.]

- People don't have to mess with drivers or wait for serious bugs that stop them from playing their sames as console priced game. [This is interesting to say the least. Let's consider the fact that many games now released feature driver packs for graphics so that one is certain to be able to run the game. Only enthusiasts generally mess around with drivers more then needed. This "messing with drivers" for the common folk is passing.]

- Worryring about a stupid OS just to get their games working. [Ever read the sys reqs of a modern or for the matter later game? It says Windows. I know that you mean but I'm going to let you rephrase that statement if you want. :3]

- Don't have to worry as much when you are playing your favorite game that people are cheating. [Instead hearing them bitch like the 12 year old trailer kids they are? No - yet a console is restricted system. You are not even allowed to run a browser on it. Sufficient for some, less sufficient for others. This brings me to modding. I love custom maps, skins and so on and don't like to wait 2 years for a map pack to be released that costs me 500 Live Points or something. The backside is however that if the client is not closed, what stops it from being modified? It's the kind of desion one must make on a personal level - freedom or the peace of being certain that no one cheats.]

- Consoles are displayed everywhere in every electronic store..PC displays? non-existent! Unless you call that piece of junk in front of The Source or Radio Shack something... Shocked [Ironicly you don't refer directly to your note above regarding ever changing hardware and the fact that shops don't like to have 50k physically sitting there in equipment that is literally in limbo - to be sold or not to be sold. Market practices 101 - do you really want to have your money in something that may or may not be sold just because it's fancy to look at? This is a direct result of the incredible and fast development the PC hardware market is going through.]

- Local computer shops have small inventories and typically have to order in your request. Lots of stores come and go. Is that because people are going out and buying lots of PC stuff? [See above - I have risen and fallen by the side of two different stores before my current job. Not at my hand, but at the hand of people who doesn't realize it's hard to keep a inventory of things that may be worthless for common as well as enthusiasts PC shoppers in just mere weeks. It's not a sign of PC falling or something like that - just mere market selection. :)]

- Magazine counts for console are leaving PC mags in the dust. I can barely find a PC Gamer or CGW at the magazine stores and then a lot have converted to displaying these new mags with both Console and PC games and the PC stuff is like 5-10 pages in the back. [Noooo - this is because of a simple thing as reading news on the internet. It's worthless for me and for the editors on magazine to try and give me breaking, up to date news on events, games and other gaming related dealings if it takes them a month before it falls into my mail box. However I do appreciated magazine who combine all forms of gaming into a different perspective then news. For example, a local magazine, Level, uses a it's magazine for retro gaming, exclusive interviews, articles ala The Escapist and so on - not pure reviews and other common content. And let's face it, you see much more news about PC as platform then consoles.]

That should suffice as an intro, however I believe I probably will loose interest in debating this blatant zealotism you show. If you could stop seeing everything one dimensional many would take you more seriously. :)

yhancik(12:58 AM CET - Nov,28 2006 )
quote:
- Most people today are fed up with or don't care to get PC's cuz it's a money hole.


actually not, and that's exactly why PC Gaming won't die

Today you almost need to own a computer.
For all the internetZ (for school, for buying stuff, for wareZ, for mails), for your digital photos, for ip-phoning granny, to load your DRM-crippled MP3-player, for your office application, etc etc etc...

And every computer sold today i able to run games too... maybe not the latest biggest ones, but for 100 or 200 (or 300.. etc) more € you can get something that will play most games.
(and in HD without the need to buy a new 1000€ TV set :p)

So as long as PC exist, PC gaming won't die
(even as a business)


~

And YES, you can surf on the internet with the PS3, you could install a linux with open office...
it will always be more limited, and a sofa is definitely not a desk
The PS3 in the living room can't realistically replace the PC in your room

SABOT's(01:26 PM CET - Nov,28 2006 )
Brilliant *constructive* post Safer, unfortunately completely lost on -as you said- the "one dimensional" xxxx.

The PC is a challenge, there's no denying that. But it's *your* choice to buy or build one. OR even own a console.

When i got into PCs and gaming it was the MOST taxing, and EXPENSIVE genre that got me started -flight simulations. At that time, they were ten-a-penny on shop shelves. Obviously they are limited to FSX and the odd IL2:FB now but that's what got me educated into what hardware REALLY meant on a machine, and how to get every once of power out of it -all that with a 2mb graphics card!

That was me addicted, i didn't have a clue about PCs back then. So i got my first one built, *then*, i read dozens of mags (No internet input then! and certainly not on 14.4kb and pay-as-you-use!!) and self-taught myself to build & customise my own machines. The rest -as they say- is history.

It's my hobby (Amongst MANY others), at least my wife knows where the money goes! :lol: and i'm not pissing it away in the pub daily/weekly.

I've already said that i've played some fantastic quality japanese horror etc on console, but i miss the 'do anything,edit anything' that the PC offers. Plus the COST of console games (in the UK) are at times nearly *twice* the cost of a PC game (XBox360 are between £40-£50 per game and PC games are generaly £25 as can be seen here where i order most onlind from http://shop.gameplay.co.uk/webstore/plat_shop.asp?platform=PCS ). If i'm saving, say, £10 per game and i buy nearly a dozen per year, it doesn't take rocket science to compare the two and know that i can buy either a CPU/Mobo or 6 month new graphics card for essentialy **nothing** since it's money that would have gone to M$ or Sony in licensing on a console game.

xxxx(07:41 PM CET - Nov,28 2006 )
I will respond later tonite when I have the luxury of time to do so. I will as you have done, cross examine your post and reply on each and every quote. Even if some of yours is just verbal diahrea.

Safer does have some good points albeit it a lot based on fantasy and wishful thinking and fabricated facts an outlooks. Like his gaming video card and cpu on the same die... Yeah... like to see a competitive combo like that... Wont happen. You are talking laptops and cutting costs of laptops. I don't know of any True article out that touts AMD and ATI saying they are gonna put a gaming grade gpu into a CPU. Maybe I missed an article. Or maybe you are just making it up...as usual.

As for Stumpus, I couldn't care less. He reminds me of a little boy running behind his daddy for safety and he sits behind him going, Yeah Yeah yeah..to the agressor. Not even worth the air I blow out my butt.

As to people taking me seriously comment. Honestly, you people must be truly daft, I am not here like you looking to 'make friends' or looking for your 'acceptance'. To be honest, I couldn't give a rats ass if you like or dislike my posts or me for that matter. Trust me I'm not shedding a single tear. I'm not here for you I'm here to post my opinion pertinent to the news article. But I guess you don't get it. Again, I will post back to this tonite when I have time. My lunch is over.

SABOT's(09:12 PM CET - Nov,28 2006 )
Excuse me xxxx, but WHO has the childish signature AND spits out the dummy as soon as they are challenged in any way or form....?

YOUR the kid here son, way,way out your league... the other posters, including my own speak FACT.

quote:
As for Stumpus, I couldn't care less. He reminds me of a little boy running behind his daddy for safety and he sits behind him going, Yeah Yeah yeah..to the agressor. Not even worth the air I blow out my butt.


So where does that little bit of gob-shit come from xxxx? Is it in any of the posts above? erm no. It's -as per usual- the first thing that comes into xxxx little head. Clever? no. Does it highlight his inteligence level? yes i'm afraid so.

Oh please son, give this useless tactic a break eh! It's the *usual* state of affairs with xxx, to *twist* the post and turn it around, to take the emphasise off the fact that he's been 'mentaly challenged'
"Can't handle the discussion so lets twist/turn it into a fight"..... :roll: That's you through and through eh?

I don't see anyone else using pathetic childish comments -other than you?


quote:
Trust me I'm not shedding a single tear.


Well that's so good to hear isn't it everyone at Gameguru? We were so worried that xxxx was going to have a mental breakdown!

Because when you read this bit:
quote:
Maybe I missed an article. Or maybe you are just making it up...as usual

You realise that he's, borderline, barking MAD :lol: Yes it's all a conspiracy eh xxxx, there's not even a drop of doubt, it's all answered in one fell swoop. quote:
xxxx thinks: "maybe i missed an article...? nah i NEVER miss articles. I know? they are MAKING it up! THAT'S IT!! i knew it all along i'm right and everyone else is WRONG!!! I'm happy now 'cause i'm ALWAYS right 8) "



Do YOU honestly think *ANYONE* here thought you were 'crying'? ROFLMAO!!! Boy do you love yourself or what.....

I wonder why you picked me out of the posters above...? Is it because i get right UNDER your skin xxxx? and rip your, 'foot in mouth', posts to shreds because your so gullable! :twisted:

xxxx(09:56 PM CET - Nov,28 2006 )
You speak fact!? Hahahahaha!!! oh look at my sig kiddies.. Vista will kill gaming? Ohhh that it will!!! Ya you speak fact? pfff. You speak diahrea bud is all and hide behind everyone else. You make me laugh, I'll give you that. Microsoft and Windows is the chief reason there 'is' gaming today on a PC ya dunce.

And aren't you the mindless shallow Euro trash that derived XXXX to be sex? roflmao... get away from me freak.. A guy and he knows nothing about beer. I bet I know all the beers where you live and probably 10 fold more... You're an insult to guys, period.

You aren't married and you don't fool me for a second, just like "oh my games are all over the house and not just in 1 spot." I'll tell ya what's all over the house, your BS and your inflatable XXXX doll. Freak. Hahahahaha!!

xxxx(10:21 PM CET - Nov,28 2006 )
I will edit this post with continued extractions from sites that bear factual numbers and show that PC is dwindling bigtime and more and more are flocking to console than going out and upgrading their PC for the sole intent of playing games.. Here's one..

quote:
It's not a new statistic that console games are outselling their PC counterparts, but the margin of console games over PC games is increasing, even as both types of games sell more units. In 2001, 65.3 million PC games were sold, compared to 110 million console games. While PC game sales increased 3.6% from 2000, console game sales increased 9% in the same period.


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However, the figures from 2005 appeared grim for one game platform in particular--the PC. According to a report released late yesterday by the industry-research group NPD, 2005 saw PC-game revenue slide from 1.1 billion in 2004 to just $953 million, a 14 percent decline. By volume, the drop-off was even greater, going from 47 million games sold in 2004 to just 38 million in 2005--a slump of 19 percent.


By the time I am done, once I find the stats for 2004-2006 you will see that PC is not 'rising' or 'sustaining' as some people here might lead you to believe but the numbers are getting almost embarassing for PC. Literally from my vantage point, as soon as the Xbox 360 was released LOTS just left their PC behind, stats for PC going right down the crapper. The biggest selling game so far for the past few years for PC has been Sim's.. Yup, Sims.. so many amazingly awesome PC titles that Sim's is the only one to constantly sit on the shelf representing PC. Even more sad is when 1 game from console outdoes the overall PC sales for a year...

So if you wonder why games get ported from console to PC and not the other way.. it's cuz the focus 'is' console and console world. That's where the numbers are and that's where the money is. Again. I will update this for the past 6 years. then you can read the verbal diahrea above from others who will come up with philosophy after philosophy of what people will do "without any statistics or proven facts". Or you can just laugh at the pathetic Stumpass and his continually slanderous posts. I still believe my sig from Stumpass is the quote of the century and I've even added to my sigs for other sites!!

SABOT's(11:24 PM CET - Nov,28 2006 )
Oh ho,ho here he goes again...what's that smell? xxxx burning as usual-when i gave him the OFFICIAL URL of xxxx beer he said

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Still organizing forum attacks via PM's? Sorry couldn't see the site, blocked by Firefox... it's likely that same site you sent me before with your grandmother having sex with your dog...Told you already not interested. Not interested either in seeing that vid of your dad molesting you at the age of 3...You should get some help for that eh?


This is what i posted to him; Why do i call him foursex? Well there's a little guy on the castlemain site called Mr Fourex
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See you *just* can't stop thinking about me eh Castlemain foursex? (and since you are soooo thick regards your name DUH!!!!! and you claim to drink Castlemain -YEAH right! here's the CLUE as to why your called foursex http://www.xxxx.com.au/main/main.html PLANK!!! )


But since he can't even remember his date of birth, he can't even visit an OFFICIAL site without getting PARANOID.

This is where xxxx wets his pants at.
http://www.ggmania.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8427 soooooo funny isn't it xxxx? what a shallow boy you truly are . The answers all there in writing and YOU patheticaly look stupid now. Not funny anymore eh? Ruined your fun.... All because PCZone quoted that Vista had 'two-strikes and your out' in the magazine (a month out of date) and I quoted it, and my reaction to it, only to be given the official news post 2 days EARLIER and you piss your pants at it????

E.A.S.I.L.Y ammused are you not....................................

xxxx(12:16 AM CET - Nov,29 2006 )
To others, not Stumpass the freak of European society...

If I am wrong about PC being dead. Prove me wrong. None of you have proved me wrong on anything other than state your opinion over mine with assumptions. I sit here and await your proof since everywhere I spent a mere 30 mins looking shows PC game sales dwindling to the point it doesn't even warrant stats groups commenting on it anymore. Even NPD has admitted the stats are a little errored because it doesn't account for online purchases but have for the past 5 years dissed PC and it's sales and embarassingly released the stats. NPD said they would report online purchases yet +1 year later, no progress. If you think there were record Pc games sales you'd have heard about it. There are none. The top game for the past several years is and was Sims... That alone says what the state of PC is...And if they aren't playing Sims they are playing Warcraft or Halflife.

PC is dead, it's just the brain dead PC gamer in denial that's the problem. I don't feel pity or anything for PC's obvious demise. It was something I've seen come. I was in a little denial when Xbox 360 was released but after playing Xbox 360 and MANY games, I can easily see the obvious attraction of such a console. Trouble free and gaming in seconds as opposed to minutes and hours as you scratch your head over a bug that went past testing on a PC game...

Previous times I have said prove me wrong and nobody has. So I rest my case. PC gaming is dead, stats prove it, store shelves prove it and stores that made money of PC upgrades are folding and people are going online to save every penny they can when they buy/upgrade. Most don't even bother making their own, they just get some generic Dell.

Despite my sig and Stumpass stupid moment of complete idiocy saying Vista will kill PC gaming. It's not MS at all it's money hungry companies like nVidia and ATI that couldn't introduce a better pricing policy and sit and continue to gouge people for cards which merely give more speed and resolutions. NOT features. I like many are more than happy to play at 1024 and 1280 and not 22x.. Games don't warrant the need for a 8800 or anything else. Typically it's the egotistical fool who runs to get them so he can gloat to his buddies he was a dumbass and paid an unrealistic amount of money for their card... Or at least that's what I find when I read their posts.

I figure by 2008 or 2009... There will be a fraction of games available for PC because they will be making for console. The beginning of this has already begun just some are oblivious.

Safer(01:16 AM CET - Nov,29 2006 )
Well - my interest lasts a bit more so let us see how much of that troll bait you swallowed. This will be a bit unconstructive and with no real flow so bear with;

You could have just posted the link to the disputed wikipedia article directly to save the effort. ;)

But let's step it up a notch, but first some word poop;
My so called "whishful thinking" or whatever you did comment it as, was indeed subjective, but I think its lame of you to try and make your comments stad out as "fact". Secondly I consider myself pretty good a judging trends but that's just my ego speaking. ;) I'll connect this a bit further down.

But, the fact you wanted, simplified as you may like it - a simple cut and paste numbers in to excel by my corruptive hand;
[URL=http://img212.imageshack.us/my.php?image=ussaleswv8.jpg][/URL]
Sources; http://journal.pcvsconsole.com/?thread=15831
[The numbers are millions of USD]

First, let me point out that the US is by no mesure a demographic that somehow the rest of the world is margined by. Secondly, when you compare market analysis and sales you compare it to sold units, region, ages and trends for exampel.
The ratio of the market is US:3, EU:3 and JP:2. Thus we have to seperate regions defining their own sales and market trends. And since the contrast is pretty solid it's hard to analyse it on a global scale and insanly hard to provide a forcast for the next decade.

If you want to talk about numbers I belive we should speak on a global scale instead to give a better view on this "decline of the PC".

I don't know what you really missed, but the trends and thoughts I relected upon in my previous comment is mirrored by many, not the least people who has a large part in the industry we are talking about.

Last: I dunno about you, but a integrated and multipurpose processing die are more then suited for some fine motherboard innovation on the desktop front - it would be pity if I need to explain why.
My purpose here, you did discribe it as "making friends"is far from any mainstay truth. I like the way news comes here and it would just be some fine luck if I did get to know some interesting people on the way as I comment my views. In contrast I seem to lack energy to find your deep down purpose here other then just being... you... hmm...

[Edit] Saw the last post - needed to laugh. I'm out Mr. Windmill - I'm hunting giants somewhere else. *rides of on old horse with the trust Panza at his side*

xxxx(02:46 AM CET - Nov,29 2006 )
Hahahah well nice find on those stats, just too bad nobody has seen those numbers nor do I personally believe them. Almost looks like a really bad joke. And why can't I find those same results in any of what I have, including the most quoted stats groups?

To deny consoles are not the most viable thing to play games on today and into the future tells me you don't know much about consoles period and are some blind PC gamer. You are also oblivious to the many console commercials and stuff on TV. When did you see a TV commercial for a PC game? Pfff, let alone a PC other than Dell...Xbox and PS3 are and even their past itterations have always been plastered on TV.

Console are where the money is and thats where publishers are going. Despite your fake stats, that is what the stats internationally state. How many copies of Gears of War sell??? How long? After this post, I don't care to go on with this thread anymore cuz I have more important things to do in my life. I wont stop either to re-itterate my opinion and the obvious the next time I see a similar article.

You want to game on PC? go right the hell ahead, I don't care! Hahaha! If you are going to defend it at least provide something believable. I'm going with everyone else and moving to console and gaming online. I'm done living in PC Gaming Fantasy Land and I'm done making ATI and nVidia richer for little overall gain.

I'm personally anxious as hell to get a Xbox 360 and join the real world of gaming and get back with my older gaming buddies! Time for a change of game and Xbox 360 has more than plenty to keep me WELL entertained.

End of story.

SABOT's(11:00 AM CET - Nov,29 2006 )
This guy is incredible eh?

xxxx, the boy with two brains; one saying "i'm right!" the other; "Are you sure and it's not a conspiracy?"

You were the perfect inspiration for Peter Molyneaux and 'Black & White' i'm sure of that.

All you do is blindly rush into a post -all guns blazing, *brain dead*, then spend the REST of the WHOLE thread trying to patch all the bullet holes of STUPIDITY that you just made! This is EVERY post on this site.

Your so dysfunctional, it's unreal!! You have got to have the MOST multiple-personalities that i have ever seen, *anywhere!

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I still believe my sig from Stumpass is the quote of the century and I've even added to my sigs for other sites!!


Oh yes your middle name is QUOTE:
Here's my selection for my signature! I need a *REVOLVING BILLBOARD* fot this muppets daily screwups! LOL

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Maybe I missed an article. Or maybe you are just making it up...as usual


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Trust me I'm not shedding a single tear.


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xxxx wrote:
it's likely that same site you sent me before with your grandmother having sex with your dog...Told you already not interested. Not interested either in seeing that vid of your dad molesting you at the age of 3...You should get some help for that eh?

That was his reply to the OFFICIAL Castlemain xxxx site http://www.xxxx.com.au/main/main.html

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P.S. I hope my windows get smashed too, then I can claim insurance and get my 20 year old windows replaced for free. Doesn't it just suck to be a complete loser StumpAss? Hahahaha, go back to your closet and go fondle your barbie dolls loser.



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xxxx wrote:
Oh wait, you'd probably like me touching your arse...scratch that!
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The best yet:
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Is that all you can do is swear? Geez... someone didn't go to politeness school did he? or are you a he? or are you both?? I vote for Both!



Now there's a new one eh 'politeness school' ROFLMA!! You are an absolute idiot!!!! There is NO such thing unless your a girl.........'Politeness School (as you call it) if another name for 'finishing school' were girls go to be turned into ladies with etiquet.



xxxx, GameGuru's local comedian fav quote of 2006
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Trust me I'm not shedding a single tear.


Classic!

xxxx stuck up the rockies, vegetating, devoid of human contact. Is there anyone there? Please talk to me!....

xxxx(06:49 PM CET - Nov,29 2006 )
OMG u need help child! Go see a shrink.. :lol: Why do you keep on typing and filling up these topics with your stupidity. I already told you I don't read anything you type beyond the first sentence. Obviously you have some disorder you need help with. You really are one sad individual and an easy one to irritate... Just don't have a stroke. :lol:

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