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Super Talent 2GB MEGA Screen MP3/FM/Recorder Player
(hx) 11:26 AM EST - Mar,01 2007

The portable MP3 players are popping up everywhere since the emergence of the highly-touted Apple iPod Nano. Yeah, it's a multimedia world out there and everyone wants the next 'cool' or 'in' gadget :-) So, if you are looking for an MP3 player about the size of the iPod Nano and for about half the price you should check out the Super Talent Mega Screen MP3 player. It is not just an MP3 player it also features a FM tuner, voice recorder, photo viewer, and it plays movies. Today we will be looking at the 2GB model.

Introduction

Super Talent may be a new name to many of you, as it was to me. Based in San Jose California, Super Talent has some 20 years experience designing and manufacturing memory modules, flash memory, and now MP3 players and MP3 player accessories. The MegaScreen MP3 player comes in a choice of two colours, white or black. The design is very slim and sleek. It comes in various capacities, ranging from 512MB to 2GB, so you have the capability to make a choice depending on your needs, even though I feel that the 2GB version is a must for many hours of music playback.

The Super Talent MEGA Screen MP3 Player boasts some impressive features that look to put it in competition with the iPod Nano. So let's take a look and see just how the MEGA Screen stacks up:

Features (as taken from the Super Talent manual):

- Memory Capacity: 2 GB
- Interface: USB 2.0 (Upload 1000KB, download 750KB)
- Display: 1.5 inch MEGA Screen (262K Color OLED, 128x128 Pixels)
- Noise Ration: 90dB
- Output: Earphone 32R 10mW
- Frequency Response: 20Hz-20KHz
- Music Format: MP3 (8Kbps-320Kbps / 8KHz-48KHz VBR) / WMA (20Kbps-320Kbps / 8KHz-48KHz VBR)
- Recording: Line-in Real Time Mic/Voice Recording (ADPCM Type); Built-in FM/FM Tuner Recording
- FM Band: 87.50MHz~108.0MHz
- Sound Effects: Flat, Jazz, Rock, Pop, Classic (for music files)
- Lyrics Supporting
- Language: English/ Chinese/ Spanish/ Portuguese/ Korean/ German
- Battery: Built-in Rechargeable Li-Polymer battery (370mAH)
- Play Time: Approximately 8 hours (Normal)
- Operating System: Windows 98/SE/ME/2000/XP/2003; Mac OS 8.6+; Linux 2.4.1+
- Dimension: 87 x 42 x 9 mm
- Weight: 36g
- Warranty: 1 year
- Items Included: Earphones, USB2.0 Cable, Product Manual, and Drivers

Packaging / Physical Layout

The main box opens up like a book to reveal the MP3 player, which is wrapped in plastic for protection. The rest of the items included are packed inside of the box. Included with the player is a USB cord for transferring files and recharging the built-in battery, a line-in cord, pair of white colored headphones as popularized by Apple's iPod, a removable screen guard, user's manual, and an install CD with utilities. I've received the black version of the MP3 player, but you can also get it in white. I must admit this thing is really black and really shiny. Seriously, you could use the Super Talent MEGA Screen as a mirror it is so shiny. Besides being very shiny, you can't help but notice how thin the MEGA Screen is. The screen on the Mega Screen MP3 player is a 1.5-inch 262K Color OLED, 128x128 Pixels display. The screen is protected with a piece of plastic. Right below the screen is a listing of the capacity of the player, which is 2GB. Super Talent does offer 512MB and 1GB versions of the player as well. Measuring only 0.375" thick, 3.5" tall and 1.75" wide the MEGA screen is very small but not so small that it becomes hard to use or see. 

The MEGA Screen has four buttons arranged in an arc above a circular button, which has four functions around the edge of the circle itself, and then the menu button in the center. Directly above the buttons we have the display screen which measures 1.25"x1.25". Located on the side of the MEGA Screen we find the USB port, reset button hole, and microphone.

All in all the Super Talent MEGA Screen is a very attractive unit that has a very well built feel to it. Let's take a closer look to see if this player can stack against the iPod juggernaut.

Usage

There are 6 main buttons on the front of the player. There is the FM button, which will bring up the FM tuner, the HOLD/EXIT button, the RECORD button, and the PLAY/STOP button. Below these 4 buttons are the control buttons. It is actually designed as a button inside of another button. The middle button is the M BUTTON and surrounding you have the LAST, NEXT, VOL+, and VOL- buttons. Each button has a different purpose and its function is not always made clear, plus the function can change, depending on what is going on with the player at the time. This is very different from the iPod, whose navigation is flawless, something which has become one of its strongest selling points.

To get things going I plugged the USB cable into both the Super Talent player and my computer. The USB slot on the MP3 player is located on its bottom right side, where a little rubber flap covers the opening. I was greeted with a screen saying the battery was charged and the unit was ready to use. There is a charging bar at the bottom right hand side of the screen, and when its full you know its completely charged. They do say to remove the headphones from the player before charging and uploading music. That's kinda weird. Oh well. Once the unit is connected to a PC, the player is automatically recognized under Windows and an icon is created as a removable disk. Just like a regular flash disk.

To power up the player, hold down the PLAY/STOP button for a few seconds. The player will display the SuperTalent logo and then brings up the main menu. Here, you can set important features concerning playback mode, sound equalization, MP3 display (ID3 tags), time and other player settings and functions (recording properties, about, upgrade and format)/ When you are going through each section there is a cool little animation for each. The sections are pretty self-explanatory. All in all the GUI is very clean and looks great on the screen. In addition, if you leave the player sitting a screen saver will come on that displays the current time. Pressing the HOLD/EXIT button, you enter the basic navigation menu. From here, you select what you want to do - listen to music, radio, record voice or from line-in, or see the photo album.

To show you how easy the menu system is I have made a video of myself going through the menu's etc. Sorry for the bad quality, it was very hard to get a good picture :-) Also you can see that the video quality of the converted files is very good.

I would like to mention that the OLED screen looks quite great and is one thing, which clearly sets this product apart from the competition. Text is clear and the colors are vibrant, so using the screen is a pleasure under almost any circumstances. During bright daylight it can get hard to read, but this is a very common problem with displays this small. The buttons are very easy to use and very responsive, however, some key's functions and the menu interface are somewhat confusing. Most of them have dual functions and I often accidentally press the wrong one :-) For example, the record button also functions as the delete button under Music Menu when it's pushed at slightly longer time. It will take a bit of time to get used these buttons and their functions but once you are used to it, it's not that hard to use.

MP3 Player

Next it was time to load some music onto the MEGA Screen. I just happened to have a "MP3" folder on my hard drive that contained some MP3 files. With a simple "Select All" followed by "Copy" and then "Paste", within a few minutes I had the MEGA Screen almost fully loaded. You can place MP3 files where you want. Just navigate to them and press the Menu button to start playback. There are four system folders (/PICTURE, /VOICE, /LINEIN, and /FM) that shouldn't be deleted or renamed, however, you can create other sub-folders for storing and organizing personal media. The transfer speeds are comparable with what Super Talent has reported: 0.75 MB/s download and 1MB/s upload. That's actually a little slower than an USB 1.1 speed. Yeah, the transfer speed on the player is _slow_, definitely something to note.

Playing MP3 files was pretty much just like any other MP3 player. You simply chose the MP3 mode, scroll down your list of MP3s to where you want to start, and then press the play button to get the music started. The MP3 Playback screen offers several bits of information, like the filename or ID3 tag, the file bitrate, equalization mode, repeat mode, and volume/battery information. Pressing the [>>] or [<<] buttons, you can move forwards and backwards, but the response is a little sluggish, and with big files can be a headache.

Given the 90db ear buds, volume was adequate in most situations. Louder spaces may push the player outside its element, but in day-to-day situations (home, office, automobile, and outdoors) the volume was sufficient. In the setup menu for MP3 playback you can choose 5 different effects including "Flat', "Jazz", "Rock", "Pop", or "Classic". There's no option to adjust the equalizer or manually configure an equalizer. Under Play Mode Menu, you will find options to adjust the playback's repeats and shuffle, there's also an option which allows you to alter the play speed of the songs ranging from 70% to 120%. I am not really sure why would you want to do so when you listen to the music, nonetheless it's interesting thing :-)

The sound quality that comes out the player is up to par to on-board sound cards. The bass that comes out of the included earphones are above average compared to other earphones.  When quality headphones are plugged in, the music sounds the same as coming out of a stock sound card on the PC. 

There is one feature that is definitely missing from the player--a resume function. When you turn the unit off and then back on, it won't resume where it's left off rather it will start from beginning of the track. Therefore, it could be problem for e-book lovers.

FM Radio

The Radio Function is a good added feature of this player. It functions very well for a portable FM tuner and uses the headphones as the external antenna. The FM Radio offers users the ability to store up to 20 station presets and stations can be selected manually or through a Scanning function. If you like to listen to the soccer on the radio, or the ice hockey, or just talk radio, you'll certainly want this feature on your portable media player. The reception was crystal clear most of the time. Even indoors it was very good most of the time. Remember that's with no noticeable antenna or attachments! To turn the FM Radio on it is a simply matter of pressing the PLAY/STOP button to start the MEGA Screen Player, then press the M MENU key to access the Mode sub-menu. Press the "VOL+", or "VOL-", key to select the FM Radio option, or simply press the FM button to access the FM Radio directly.

Recording

Voice recording works for very close proximity sessions. The microphone quality is pretty decent, but the captured audio is very quiet.  To get a good volume on the MEGA Screen, you have to hold the player up to your mouth at about 20 centimeters (8 inches) away. The quality of the recorder is crisp and clear, and has very little static and noise, but it is very sensitive to wind and close contact with the microphone hole. To record your voice press the M Menu button to access the mode menu, and press the M Menu button once again to access the Mode sub-menu options. Press VOL+ or VOL- to select the the Voice option recording mode. There're two setting that you can adjust for the recording portion of the device - the Line_Set and Voice_Set. Each of these settings allows you to control the overall quality by choosing from one of three settings Low - Mid - High. The Line_Set also has a setting to turn the Auto-Sync on or off. The Voice_Set has a setting for the VDR where it can be turned on or off as well, but if the VDR is turned off the voice recording will stop temporary if there is no sound to record.

Line In Recording:

One of the features I really found useful was Line-In recording. This feature works just like the voice-recording feature, but allows you to connect the MEGA Screen to an external audio source, such as a DVD Player, via the supplied cable and record to the MEGA Screen's memory. As an example, if there is a file or audio stream, which the player doesn't support natively, you can plug in the line in/out cable to the speaker port on the PC, select line in from the players menu and hit record. This creates an MP3 with the streams content. I found it most useful for radio streams being listened to online, recording them to playback later was a breeze. You can also record from the built-in FM radio.

Photo Album

Another feature of this player is the photo album. You can upload some of your favorite photos to the player and show them off to friends with the 262K Color OLED screen. Pictures are clearly displayed, and at high quality. Unfortunately, pictures need to be in RAW format in order for the player to recognize them. Super Talent does include a Picture Conversion Program that can convert any picture to RAW (128x128) As you can see by the screen shot below, the software is extremely simple to use and it worked well. The tools does not batch convert images, so if you have a large amount of pictures you would like to transfer it may take some time.

   

Video Player

Although the player accepts standard MP3 music files for playback, video must be converted first to an NXV format using the bundled software. I found the NXV Converter software very easy to use and entirely self-explanatory. The Conversion program can convert from a number of video formats to NXV file in LOW, MIDDLE, or HIGH Quality. The program converts files quickly, however, the file size of videos can grow quickly with this conversion program. Looking at file sizes, for a 2:32min MPEG1 file (320x176 24.00fps / Audio 95Kbps) with size 13MB, the converter produced a file of size 10.5MB at 128x128 resolution (on low quality). That's rather poor compression. Besides, the converter couldn't produce a working file from an Xvid file. It's possible that my setup was not correct or perhaps the converter works better with MPEG files. The regular MPEG files worked fine. At least, the software is very easy to use, even for inexperienced users.

Surprisingly the size is large enough that a movie loaded into the Mega Screen Player can be viewed without to much difficulty, so I would have to give the display a near perfect rating.

Other Features

The Time Menu allows you to set the Sleep Timer, the Auto-off Feature, and the Clock Time. The player does not display the main window features at all times. After a few seconds, it defaults to a screen saver like feature where the time bounces around the screen. Don't forget that setting the screensaver to turn on after a few seconds of inactivity will greatly improve your battery life! The device can also function as a USB stick. Its reading and writing performance under Windows XP with USB 2.0 interface was rather slow however.

Battery Life

Super Talent claims a battery life of 8 hours under normal use, so I put this to the test. I set up my unit to continuously play our MP3s with the volume set to 20 and configured for extra bass, then set it down for the day (of course, I set the screensaver to turn on after a few seconds of inactivity). When all was said and done, the unit worked along for roughly 9 hours! Okey!

The charging time of the unit is a bit disappointing as according to Super Talent, it requires 4 hours to fully charge it. Also surprised me why no AC adapter? You'll need access to a USB port whenever it comes time to recharge the battery. Another downside I found is that the battery on the MEGA Screen doesn't look like it is easily replaceable. I can't seem to figure out how to pry the unit open to access the battery. You may not have to replace the battery for a long time, but batteries, no matter what type they are, will eventually need to be changed one day. I guess Super Talent is hoping that by the time you need to replace the battery, the cost to replace the battery maybe just as much as a new MP3 player :]

Conclusions

Overall, I was very impressed with how many features Super Talent packed into this compact player. You can listen to music, watch video, look at photos, record something, and even listen to the radio. The keys are laid out so they are easy to use. The OLED screen is very good, colours are rich and it's very bright. The resolution of 128x128 is not really the best for photos and video, but for this category of device and the price range, we shouldn't expect anything better. It's small, it's incredibly light and it's a breeze to use. Additionally, it's very attractively priced. ($80-$100). Seems like a great deal to me! Definitely try this device if you want a compact, portable solution for your music, storage, and voice recording needs.

Pros
- Affordable
- Beautiful, bright and big LCD display
- FM tuner and recording
- Voice recorder built-in
- Photo
- Plays Video
- Clock Screen Saver

Cons
- Transfer speed on the player is slow
- Cheap headphones
- The player does not mention support for DRM files, so I am guessing that won't support any music that's bought online.
- No resume function
- Take a long time to charge (4 hours) via USB - be very careful not to leave the screen active or it will take even longer!
- Can only be charged my USB
- Somewhat confusing and difficult updating the firmware
- Need to install proprietary software for picture viewing and uploading

*** I'd like to thank Super Talent for providing the 2GB MEGA Screen for this review ***



developer: SuperTalent

last 10 comments:

FX5900(04:30 AM EDT - Jun,07 2004 )
Hey, I'm the first to post... with the exception of admin of course.

Let this thread go down in history as the FIRST of many on ggmania! 8)

ok since this thread is about me, let's talk about me.
I'm fast.
i'm sexy.
you can turn me on and overclock me anytime.
i'm leet.
i'm 100% nvidia.
YEAH! I'm FX5900!!! :D

ok i got rid of my silliness... let's post seriously

Tom(12:03 PM EDT - Jun,07 2004 )
Yaaaa.. HX listened to me.. nice forums.. Good work HX..

madda(10:51 AM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
thanks for the forums HX!!!!

FX5900, the silliness seems to have stayed!! :) Ah well, its quite a laugh anyways! :D

(04:33 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Entertainment software developer and publisher NovaLogic, Inc. today announced that the official multiplayer consumer demo for Joint Operations: Typhoon Rising will be released on Wednesday June 9th, 2004. The demo replaces the existing beta demo released earlier this year.

FX5900(05:37 AM EDT - Jun,07 2004 )
nobody flames about intel vs amd. i already tried to start that. :)

Tom(01:12 PM EDT - Jun,07 2004 )
lol, AMD sucks.. how's that? oh wait, I sound like an ATIFANBOY lol. Still AMD sucks@! there i said it. :lol:

Anonymous(02:03 PM EDT - Jun,07 2004 )
AMD kicks Intel's ass at pretty much everything there is. I know the P4's get a few fps higher one things like Q3 and etc, but does it really matter for the massive difference in price?

AMD Rules!!
:D

xxxx(03:56 PM EDT - Jun,07 2004 )
or the continual compatibility problems with AMD. Definitely the best. :roll: only people i know that have problems with lots of games are those with ATI or AMD cpu's. windows was primarily designed for Intel, not AMD. as such, maybe fixed now, but i remember that MS didn't even have the right names for the AMD cpu's at one time. then i don't need a mother of a fan on my CPU like AMD requires unless you get the cheap stock fan from AMD which will literally break in 6-7months time and start making noises. i had AMD once, 1.3 GHz, last AMD i'll ever own.. Intel may cost more initially but AMD once you factor in a good fan and fans for your box.. you are past Intel price.

FX5900(11:45 AM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
If you buy AMD, it just proves you're a cheap-ass.
That's all! :lol:

JanSolo(12:15 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
I bought an AMD because I prefer a cpu that can execute byte code in an efficient and timely manner.

Gonefission(12:44 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
I always buy AMD. Same performance in games but cheaper. I can spend the extra money on memory or on a better graphics card. :idea: For all of you Intel guys spend the same amount on an AMD and get a 64bit processor.

liGhtblue fox(01:41 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Pointless topic tw...

AMD has better perfomance, cheaper prize, but is very hot (need proper cooling) and harder to overclock...

Tom(04:16 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
love how people post to topic but don't read them. Cost difference between AMD and Intel is insignificant. AMD you must buy a better fan unless you trust that scrap heap they give you in retail that will burn out in 6 months unless you air dust it every week. The fan alone makes up for the price difference. I still have my stock Intel fan, quiet and my CPU temperature always constant. Hey and every game works, Windows runs great and no BSOD's ever... wish I could say that for AMD. But seeing how I have an AMD 1400 downstairs that always BSOD must just be a bad OS install.. lmfao. AMD is cheap and nothing but problems. Long live Intel..

Blindside(05:00 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
"Long live Intel" -- Absolutely... I agree with TOM for sure. Intel and AMD user, and I'll always stay an Intel buyer. I'll have to dig up the ol' video comparison Tom's Hardware did when they took the heatsink off an Intel vs. AMD. (Both playing UT) Intel went down to like 10 Frames when they took off the heatsink/fan--big whoopdee. But when they took the heatsink/fan off the AMD.. WHoooo Eeeee.... Release the Hounds! Where's there's smoke....

TenaciousC(06:30 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
I farted.

FX5900(01:13 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
AMD has always had heat issues. These contribute to their instability and crash problems.

And so when the Prescott came out, everything was upset they were so hot... when really, AMD has been running that hot all along! Still wouldn't be a prescott anyhow.

The final word is AMD sux, and you know it! end of story. let's close this thread. end of discussion.

maga(11:37 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
never had any problems with AMD CPUs till now, and i started with the AMD 5x86 ~ 133 Mhz, then i got K6, K6-2, Athlon, Athlon XP, Barton, FX-51. I'm not saying that Intel does bad CPUs !

madda(12:00 PM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
where is intels 64 bit processor???

Still in development, they really need to release one very soon otherwise development will be focused on AMD 64 support rather than Intel 64!

This is something that will really hamper intels domination of the processor market thats for sure!

makaveli(12:15 PM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
I was an Intel user back in the early days of computer up to 2000. Yea it's true, during the 286, 386, 486 age, AMD suck balls but lately these dudes are getting better. I first bought an AMD chip in 2000 ( Duron 800MHz ) and it lasted for a long time without any BSOD, crashes or any other major problems except for the heat ( which I rectified it by buying a good hsf for it ). Even after buying the hsf, the price difference was still below Intel's P-series or C-series. As of now, I'm using an Athlon XP with no problem too except for the tempreture.

Here's my list of good and bad:

AMD

pro:
1) cheap
2) faster!! (hell yea)
3) overclock friendly
4) stable
5) faster execution and faster software compiling on linux boxes

con:

1) heat

Intel

pro:

1) stable
2) fast execution on Winblows
3) less heat

cons:
1) $$$$ unfriendly

FX5900(01:09 AM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
Hahahahahahaahahahahahhahahaa who cares about AMD's 64-bit CPU.
Where is Windows XP 64-bit edition?

If you want 64bit, go use the 64-bit version of Linux, but don't come back crying when you can't play games and video, and you're constantly in a command-line environment.

hahahahahaa thanks for the laugh.

makaveli -- your long post just echo'd my earlier post: "if you buy AMD, it just proves you're a cheap-ass." :)

makaveli(02:06 AM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
FX, that's weak man. Just because something is cheap, it doesn't make you a cheap-ass. It's call value for money dude. Just because something is expensive, it doesn't mean that stuff is good...

madda(10:26 AM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
makaveli> FX, that's weak man. Just because something is cheap, it doesn't make you a cheap-ass. It's call value for money dude. Just because something is expensive, it doesn't mean that stuff is good...

Exactly, i agree makaveli!

FX5900: Maybe you should substantiate your claims before shouting around about something you dont even seem to understand!

Win XP 64-bit edition will be released reasonabky soon, I have tested a beta version of it using an AMD 64FX and it runs alot more smoothly than any intel would and games are a dream even if they arent 64bit. Farcry 64bit edition is amazing, much better than anything you would get out of an Intel processor!

FX5900(01:23 PM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
Madda:
Now you're making stuff up. Didn't you read the review HX posted about 2 weeks ago with WinXP-64bit Ed benchmarks comparing ATI & nvidia 64-bit and 32-bit drivers??? The 32-bit drivers were slightly better! So you talk out your ass when you say 64-bit gaming is better! Ha! the drivers are still immature!

As for 32-bit code running alot more smoothly on a 64-bit machine, that is ********. Even in the best-case scenario, 32-bit code will run 5% to 10% better on a 64-bit CPU. That's BEST-CASE. So whatever perceptions you had about better performance were just perceptions. Show me BENCHMARKS that prove what you're saying?

Windows XP 64-edition has been "soon to be released" for a long time. Just WinXP SP2 which is soon to be released. :roll: We're talking about the here and now; not the "coming soon" promises.

makaveli:
dont take what i said personally. You are right - there is a difference between cheap and value for money. But value for money is when you get something at a low cost that works well. AMD does not meet that criteria - you save money only to gain heating issues. That is not value.


Tom and XXXX.... i swear everyone who registered on this website didn't read the "13yrs or above" clause. :D

madda(01:28 PM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
All i can say is from personal experience, I have tried using an AMD 64-FX and an Intel chip with the same hardware configuration (except mobo of course) and games play better on the AMD rig than the Intel!

I get between 20 and 30 FPS more on the AMD!

I have used the 64bit version of Win XP, and it is pretty much released. Microsoft havent released it mainly because they are waiting for the Intel chip to be released, this is because they have an informal agreement with Intel.

FX5900(01:43 AM EDT - Jun,12 2004 )
madda what were the clock speeds of the AMD 64bit and the Intel? If you're comparing a 64-bit 3.4GHz vs an Intel 3.0GHz i have a little suggestion for you which explains the FPS difference. :D

good for you playing on beta hardware.

Anonymous(03:30 AM EDT - Jun,14 2004 )
Processor speed shouldn't be measured in gigahertz, the pentium 4's 20, (31 on the prescott) step pipeline makes for quite a bit of loss on speed if it's branch prediction fails, also amd's fx processors do more calculations per second than any pentium 4, they also have a heck of a lot more bandwidth on their data buses, and they support sse2 extensions

madda(07:02 AM EDT - Jun,14 2004 )
Shai_Hulud> Processor speed shouldn't be measured in gigahertz, the pentium 4's 20, (31 on the prescott) step pipeline makes for quite a bit of loss on speed if it's branch prediction fails, also amd's fx processors do more calculations per second than any pentium 4, they also have a heck of a lot more bandwidth on their data buses, and they support sse2 extensions

Well said Shai! Exactly why there is a difference in FPS on my AMD FX! :)

Prowler(01:30 PM EST - Apr,01 2005 )
AMD is the LAW[b]

Crystallas(04:21 AM EDT - Sep,23 2005 )
Seeing that AMD has accumulated a dream team of archietects and engineers within the last 6 years....

Being only 10% of the size that intel is.
...and pretty much outselling their capacity.

outbenching 80% of benchmarks over intel, including benchmark software that was compiled to take advantage of "Genuine Intel" chips.

Producing less heat, and consuming less power.

On die memory controller which has licked all of the bottleneck problems that Intel was having. Aswell as intel saying that it was a dumb idea, and that they would never do it *Update* they are now saying that they need to do this too.

Intel EM64T is identical to AMD64(which was the original x86 64bit instruction set) minus 3 64bit instruction sets which AMD would not allow them to use w/o a liscence.

AMD running SSE,SSE2, SSE3 instruction sets in all their new chips.

Oh, and the K8(Athlon64) , which is in its 3rd sub-generation, is a completely new design. Unlike intels only CPU that has any advantage over AMD(and thats ONLY if overclocked significantly) in its architecture based on the Pentium3 still, because the Pentium4 was simply a bad idea, and bad architecture(comming from the mouth of their head architect for 10 years who quit because Intel was so business minded, that they decided to ignore what the user really wanted.)

Intel is one giant liar, with young engineers who dont have the experience of AMD's. AMD has hired many ex-intel engineers. AMD has pretty much the best chunk of the Digital staff which produced all of the powerful server CPUs until compaq took over Digital, also how and why AMD had the know-how on making a 64Bit CPU in the first place, aswell as a very powerful dual core CPU.

Innovation is all AMD right now, they set the pace. And aslong as Intel cheats the market, I have no respect for them. People are really brainwashed into thinking that they do nothing wrong, but they pretty much lobby as much tech as they can, while removing technological freedom and inovation from many small companies, not just AMD. Although AMD has won 2 internation Anti-trust law-suits over intel.

Wake up and smell the coffee... Intel isnt the performance champ, and they havent been in a few years.

You can allways buy a wonderful computer with your favorite current line Intel CPU. The performance diffrences arent anything to slouch or brag about, but its not as cost-effective as an AMD based computer.

Of course you need the right hardware to run an AMD rig, aswell as an Intel, but more-so and AMD rig. Reason being is that AMD has created sub-competition among its chipset supporters. So now they can compete for which is better, and which favors which part of the market. When a user fails to recognise that they have choice in every aspect, they either dont research, or buy a poor chipset from previous generation and run into complications.

I run one of the largest recording studios in the greater chicagoland area, and build setups for clients aswell. When it comes to PCs, 9/10 the users needs and exceeded with a dual opteron setup, or even now the X2s.

Stability, support, all there. Infact if you want problems, look at all of the dual core instabilities intel is having, aswell as an intel southbridge p48* series that have NOT been recalled, although they run stabile, burn a decent sized hole into the motherboard.

AMD is just one giant bridge among companies. Its friendly to technology, esspecially when the backbone of the company is full of ISO, IEEE, PCI-SIG members, aswell as other industry standards which DO NOT PROFIT THEM. PCI-SIG wouldnt exist if it weren't for AMD, and AMD is the reason why PCI-Express Graphics are available today, aswell as IBM being the 2 biggest contributors. What did Intel do? Intel jumped on at last minute of finalizing 3GIO(PCI-Express) and released a chipset that supported it 3 weeks before AMD, so people for some odd reason think Intel created this! Ridiculous.


If intel plays fair, and cares more about the beauty of expanding technology than they care about taking your money and raising their share one penny... then I wouldnt dislike Intel. Its crooked companies like this that have pushed many enthusiats to look elsewhere for their needs, and AMD has done a damn fine job of it.

Also for you hardcore gamers, AMD is going to integrate a PCI-E2 controller into the CPU. This will have some benefit on performance, but it also will push a standard for multi-graphic card standards. Where you possibly may be able to buy one board that will run both nVidia SLI and ATi Crossfire, whichever you CHOOSE to use.
Freedom is everything. Choice is important.

xanadu(12:14 PM EDT - Apr,20 2006 )
xxxx> windows was primarily designed for Intel, not AMD. as such, maybe fixed now, but i remember that MS didn't even have the right names for the AMD cpu's at one time. then i don't need a mother of a fan on my CPU like AMD requires unless you get the cheap stock fan from AMD which will literally break in 6-7months time and start making noises.

Actually Windows XP 64 was designed for AMD. Intel had to redesign there entire 64 bit architecture because Microsoft was supporting AMD's 64 Bit fully while they were not supporting the Itanium well.

The recognization factor was all the way back in 95 and then 98 and applied to more than just AMD. It applied to certain speed factor processors. You had to apply a patch or you couldn't even install either OS. Both Intel and AMD suffered from that one.

As for the fans, a box processor fan is warrantied for 3 years. If the fan fails and causes problems with the processor they are both warrantied. Personally I've had a stock fan running on an Athlon XP for about 4 years now with no problems..........

Blindside(04:14 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Well, since no one else is starting one, I will. I thought I'd open a new topic to post open sign-ups for new upcoming Beta's? I'm currently on the Dragon Empires Beta but the sign ups are over. There should be a new signup at Atari today, check here for signups: http://www.betatests.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=19&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

madda(10:50 AM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
Im beta testing Windows MCE, Windows 64-bit, Windows SP2, Windows Update v5, and i think thats it for the moment! Can never rememeber exactly what im testing, i just enjoy the free PCs from Microsoft :):):)

Blindside(03:06 PM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
Nice--you need to let us know of any new/open betas, so we can sign up and enjoy the wealth too!

Blindside(03:07 PM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
Nice--you need to let us know of any new/open betas, so we can sign up and enjoy the wealth too!

Blindside(03:07 PM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
Nice--you need to let us know of any new/open betas, so we can sign up and enjoy the wealth too!

madda(03:09 PM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
you really drummed in the point there blindside by posting 3 times!! :)

I will give ya information as soon as i have it!

Blindside(04:22 PM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
Yeah Oops My bad on the triple posting.. It wasn't done intentionally. It had something to do with the lag.. yeah.. that's it... haha...

madda(06:22 PM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
yea, just trying to blag it now, arent ya????

:D

BLOODUK(03:33 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Acclaim has opened the product page of Worms Forts Under Siege

http://www.acclaim.com/games/wormsForts/

BLOODUK(03:31 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Electronic Arts has released a new (superb) trailer of The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-Earth, offering more than 12 minutes of in-game footage which details the game like no video before it - this video was shown at E3 2004 this year
http://www.gamershell.com/download_6177.shtml

Mrthrust(02:50 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
any 1 have issues with the ATI 9600 pro 128mb model..

i can view games no prob with high FPS on screen res 1280x1024
but on 1024x768..
the screen flickers and jerk's...
WHY ooo WHY?????

cheers :I

ace(02:55 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Which drivers are you using? The official drivers which I use on my 9800xt (catalyst 4.5) seem to do the trick, with no problems :)

http://www.ati.com/support/driver.html

It could also be something to do with your refresh rate, but I'll see which other suggestions are made on this one

babios(11:29 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
I suggest to use the Omega drivers. The y are custom drivers based on the Catalyst drivers but tweaked for best game performance. They are a little messy in istallation but they do their job fairly good. You can use also power strip. It is an ammazing program for easy tweaking your card drivers.

Mrthrust(02:48 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
OK ...well my machine has a ATI9600 pro 128Mb
running under the 2.2P4 with 768mb DDR 333

Im not a noob at fixing, building, trouble shooting etc...etc..

but when it comes to V-sync ?....its a pain in the A**...
some games run fine on 1280x1024 but when i switch back to 1024x768
the picture seems to flicker when turnning.. (CSTRIKE)..
its viewed on a 19" CRT. with 25.0 dot pitch.

how can i make my games run a little bit smoother...
i just cant see nout when the screens away up at 1280x

thx..

Tom(03:50 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
depending on your system, turning off Vsync can cause problems. If you have a fast enough processor and video card, you don't need to turn off Vsync especially if you are getting a decent frame rate. Turning off vsync is usually typical of those with lower end systems. But turning off vsync can cause tearing and other little abnormalities on your screen as well. Basically you try it on/off in any game and test. For HL, at one time it was ok to turn off vsync, but this also depended on your video card. Back then I had 3dfx... results vary from computer to computer. If vsync causes problems set off then put it back on, end of story.

Tom(03:51 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
you have a decent enough system, vsync on should be default for you.. you can try with it off, but you might experience strange results or choppy play.

Blindside(05:02 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Or you could get an NVIDIA card and you should be fine.. haha..

GoldenBear(05:52 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Leave V-Sync on as it seems that your comp should be able to handle it. Don't listen to the nVidia fanboys, adding a nVidia card would slow down your system. :lol:

-GB

FX5900(01:36 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Blindside> Or you could get an NVIDIA card and you should be fine.. haha..

YOU SAID IT!!! :D


turning off VSYNC on games where you turn left/right very quickly will usually result in bad screen-tearing. Car racing games(where you are moving forward tend to be ok

Ock462(03:50 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
GoldenBear> Don't listen to the nVidia fanboys, adding a nVidia card would slow down your system.

YOU SAID IT!! :D

Anonymous(04:48 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
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Viper357(12:37 PM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Bill Gates> Ock462, you look like a wanna-be pimp. very sad.
And you look like a wannabe Bill Gates, which is VERY SAD. :cry:

Tom(01:24 PM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
I love when you give an answer and then everyone else reposts your answer. Do people read entire topics before the post, or just lazy.

Tom(01:30 PM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Ock462> GoldenBear> Don't listen to the nVidia fanboys, adding a nVidia card would slow down your system.

YOU SAID IT!! :D


Here's a guy who spent way too much for his system. We should thank him for helping to reduce the costs! Thanks man! I hope there is more of you so you can lower the price more for me...Did you need a rig like that for Sims? Doom3? or what? what in hell does anyone need a 3GHz processor for?.. what a waste of money..lol. SATA RAID is just not proven yet from anything i read. Well at least your porn will come in faster. I haven't seen any reason yet to get rid of my 2GHz, 1Gb of 2100DDR. Not one game including BF or UT2k4 even hiccups on my screen.. then there's PCI Xpress coming and way faster ram and hard drives. Oh well..

Ock462(12:43 AM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
Don't be jealeous of my computer Tom. There is a game called Halo, it will make your system its bitch. Same thing for Far Cry. I figured if I was going to build a new system I should build a top of the line one. That is why I bought a 9800xt because it rapes a 5900FX. I didn't feel like waiting another year for PCI-Xpress. Oh yeah your welcome now your cheap ass can go buy one now.

xxxx(10:50 AM EDT - Jun,14 2004 )
well "i" play halo without a problem on my 2GHz actually. top of the line? ya just not state of the art...9800xt doesn't rape a 5900FX(unless ur reading purely pro-ATI). ATI doesn't in drivers, doesn't in speed and doesn't period. considering the stupidity behind your computer purchase i'd have to characterize it with the stupidity in your video card purchase. but again, thanks for lower the costs for us. i too, love people like you. anyone know a game where it states on the box that quotes you need more than 2GHZ? even for a highly recommended system.. thanks.. be interested in knowing. i don't think you should chastize people when clearly you have to get a bigger cpu to compensate for less computer than adequate tweaking skills.

madda(10:54 AM EDT - Jun,14 2004 )
He prolly bought his computer so that he could run games at 1600x1280 with max everything, and so that he didnt have to upgrade for many years! Anyway, who are you to be judgemental? People are entitlted to spend their money as they wish!

xxxx(11:01 AM EDT - Jun,14 2004 )
i am xxxx, can't you read?

madda(11:04 AM EDT - Jun,14 2004 )
whats your point?

BLOODUK(07:28 AM EDT - Jun,16 2004 )
xxxx> i am xxxx, can't you read?

Yes all too often :roll:

xxxx(05:02 PM EDT - Jul,05 2004 )
madda> whats your point?

i don't know, what's urs? sorry, not a forums troll as u, slow reply. i got a life, come here when i have lapse in my busy schedule.

xxxx(05:03 PM EDT - Jul,05 2004 )
BLOODUK> xxxx> i am xxxx, can't you read?

Yes all too often :roll:


feeling is mutual to you too baby.

maga(01:22 AM EDT - Jul,06 2004 )
i say you all get together in a park, and sort it out like men ! 8) :lol:

capri(02:39 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
well, hx, don't you think a forum is a bit too 'extreme' for the nvidia vs. ati battle? i mean, it can't go on forever, can it? :D

<- 9800xt and very happy with it. i don't really care from which company my gfx-card is, as long as it's fast enough :twisted:

FX5900(11:32 AM EDT - Jun,12 2004 )
I think HX is a leader in forums. Rather than supressing the issue like most administrators, HX is letting us exercise our right to free speech.

I'm an NVIDIA owner and extremely happy with it. I do care which company my gfx-card comes from, because that usually effects if it is fast enough. :)

madda(07:14 AM EDT - Jun,14 2004 )
FX5900> I'm an NVIDIA owner and extremely happy with it. I do care which company my gfx-card comes from, because that usually effects if it is fast enough. :)

ATI is faster in raw speed terms! Its just that the perceived speed is more in your Nvidia card because the drivers are much better designed!

BLOODUK(01:54 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Remember me? :)

xxxx(02:13 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
no.

DDRRE(02:30 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
BLOODUK> Remember me? :)
HI

BLOODUK(03:14 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
xxxx> no.


:(

Replies.... Ati driver news?

Tom(03:34 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
So DDRRE are ya gonna get a clue and shrink your tampax logo? Umm, I mean signature.

Pete(09:38 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Hello BloodUk,

Nice to see a regular GG contributor.

Out of curiousity, where abouts in the UK do you live?

I'm in Middlesbrough.

maga(03:06 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
hello !

BLOODUK(05:28 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Pete> Hello BloodUk,

Nice to see a regular GG contributor.

Out of curiousity, where abouts in the UK do you live?
.


Canterbury 8)

ace(07:47 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
BLOODUK>

Canterbury 8)


What a small world we live in! Same City as me :lol:

BLOODUK(08:06 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
ace> BLOODUK>

Canterbury 8)


What a small world we live in! Same City as me :lol:


Awsome , whereabouts? do you drive? Age?

Sorry it sounds a rather wierd bunch of questions, but you hardly ever get someone living in the same area thats on a game forum. I also dont know hardly anybody in this area as i used to live in chatham and most of the people i know are there.

ace(08:16 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Yeah, its not often you see someone from the same area,

I'm just a student, so bike pretty much everywhere, I live on the outskirts of canterbury, going towards sturry, as for my exact location, I'll keep it a secret :wink:

BLOODUK(08:41 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
ah cool well i drive a honda civic vtec , 24yrs old
been into games since i was 7 when i had an amstrad cpc 464
but just lately i play very few games. As most games seem to bore
me they dont pull me in like they used to, still remember the amiga
classics ;)

Do you have irc or aol messanger?

ace(08:57 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
I don't usually use chat proggy's, so only the forums,

Anyway, I wonder who else is a Brit on these boards :wink:

nightporter(09:02 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Get a room you two. :lol: :wink: :wink: I'm in UK, Doncaster to be precise (it's up North)

BLOODUK(09:05 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
hahaha yer right :x

Naa its just rare to see someone else so close on a gaming forum
most people i know live up north :roll:

DDRRE(01:34 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
DDRRE :D released a performance tweaking and gameplay guide for Unreal Tournament 2004 in the Beyond Unreal Forums. His guides can also be accessed in his Unreal Tournament site's guides section with guides for Unreal Tournament and for Unreal Tournament 2004. (quick link for Mozilla users)

madda(07:24 AM EDT - Jun,14 2004 )
thanks for this, its been out a while though and i think it was posted on the main site a while back aswell!

JanSolo(12:11 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
I mean, seriously..

http://www.gogoracing.com/videos/vset.cfm?VideoSetID=9

liGhtblue fox(03:10 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
most definetly

TenaciousC(06:35 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Probably not as bad as it looked. Who am i kidding... Rock yes it hurt.

Bender(07:34 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
wow those graphics are hella realistic!!

FX5900(01:17 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
No. He was wearing protection. :D

Blindside(03:21 PM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Yeah, I think he probably did that on purpose so he could get some extra lovin' from his Girlfriend.

madda(10:34 AM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
that looked damn painful!!! :)

JanSolo(12:02 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
I just got a Google Gmail account! What's so special about it? NOTHING. But for some reason, lots of people want them.

xxxx(02:15 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
i don't need another spam target. hotmail is fine. must be a lot of bad isp's that you need to revert to a google email acount.. lmao.

JanSolo(10:52 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Well it does come with 1gig of storage which is quite a bit more than the free Hotmail account offers.

FX5900(01:18 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Gmail rocks. Finally you can email warez to friends. :D

maga(03:04 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
what's the biggest number of blocked adresses you can have on Gmail ?

JanSolo(03:25 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
maga> what's the biggest number of blocked adresses you can have on Gmail ?

Dunno! Does not look like it has a way to block specific email addresses. But it does have a mechanism for reporting spam.

Chode(04:30 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
JanSolo> I just got a Google Gmail account!

I got Gmail too :D

And four invites, all of which I'm trading for games (Silent Hill 3 and Doom 3)

madda(10:48 AM EDT - Jun,10 2004 )
how do you get a gmail acccount? is there an address to sign up from?

FX5900(11:56 AM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Anyone seen any great movies lately?
The last DVD i watched was called "Stick it Where The Sun Don't Shine" which was...let's just say it wasn't on at your local cinema. ;)

I'm joking guys. Man these forums are dead. Come on people! Register!

JanSolo(11:59 AM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
I saw a great documentary called The Corporation that outlined why exactly milk and dairy products in the US are cancer causing and absolutely unhealthy. Canadians and Europeans don't have this problem, only us Americans with the useless group known as the FDA.

Blindside(05:06 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
If any of you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend The Odyssey surfing video. It's the movie of the contest for a payout of $50k by Billabong for whoever caught the biggest wave. Highly recommended vid.

Bender(07:45 PM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Triplets of Bellvue

Anonymous(02:01 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
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JanSolo(03:33 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Bill Gates> "Hackers."

"Bill Gates: The Movie."


There was actually a movie released about a Bill Gates being assassinated. Too bad it wasn't a historic documentary. ;)

Chode(04:29 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Bill Gates> "Hackers."

Great film, if even only for Angelina Jolie :P

ps: we meet at last....mr gates

nightporter(08:49 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Best movie I've seen for a while was Battle Royale, Japanese with Subtitles but still quality.

ace(09:04 AM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
Final fantasy was the last one I saw, oogling at those graphics 8)

tigermonk(01:02 PM EDT - Jun,09 2004 )
as far as documentaries go, i'd have to say i love bowling for columbine. especially when comparing murders by way of handguns in the US compared to EVERY OTHER FUCKING COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

Anonymous(01:18 AM EDT - May,10 2011 )
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FX5900(11:52 AM EDT - Jun,08 2004 )
Anyone got a hacker tool for cracking into web forums using PHPBB???


why do i ask? no reason. ;) :P

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