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last 10 comments:
Csimbi(10:45 PM CEST - Oct,11 2014 )
quote:
Firefox is planning a 64-bit browser

I know it's not very conservative with memory, but needing more than 4G sounds a bit excessive.

No other reason to go 64bit in a browser.

Koogle(08:18 AM CEST - Oct,12 2014 )
quote:
Windows 10's very different way of updating - It looks like Microsoft's next OS will bring with it a different way of updating as well. What do you think of the change?


The updates will be great, safe, secure, really care about your privacy, really interested in giving you the best features (like keyboard history shared with all interested M$ scum partners). Won't break anything, won't mess with any settings.. you will get to see wonderful new advertisement for shit you might also like adding, and best all they definitely won't gimp the updates so its not like you will need to get the next to fix the shit they broke the last update. etc ... it will be great and free, total freedom updates, won't cost a thing :D

doodah(07:23 PM CEST - Oct,12 2014 )
Csimbi> quote:
Firefox is planning a 64-bit browser

I know it's not very conservative with memory, but needing more than 4G sounds a bit excessive.

No other reason to go 64bit in a browser.


Yeah there is - the ASLR space is WAAAAY bigger, so stack smashing/buffer overflow bugs are mostly eliminated. Plus (I believe) DEP is mandatory for 64bit apps.

And that's before you get to potential speed benefits..

Csimbi(09:02 PM CEST - Oct,12 2014 )
doodah> Csimbi> quote:
Firefox is planning a 64-bit browser

I know it's not very conservative with memory, but needing more than 4G sounds a bit excessive.

No other reason to go 64bit in a browser.


Yeah there is - the ASLR space is WAAAAY bigger, so stack smashing/buffer overflow bugs are mostly eliminated. Plus (I believe) DEP is mandatory for 64bit apps.

And that's before you get to potential speed benefits..

You do realize it's a browser, right? Not an OS.

Koogle(11:18 PM CEST - Oct,12 2014 )
quote:
Windows 10: 'Aero Glass' theme coming soon via simple mod - If you are still using Windows 7, there is a good chance that you are using 'Aero Glass'. The theme has been widely popular among enthusiasts over the years, and if you are running Windows 10, you will soon have the option to turn this theme back on. The chaps over at Glass8.eu are working diligently to release the tools needed to enable the theme. While their website makes it seem like the release of the files needed to enable the theme are not going to be available anytime soon, a post by the creator on MDL states that because there are "no large changes in Win10's DWM, you can expect Aero Glass for Win10 earlier than" previously expected. Like many modifications to Windows, you will need the UXStyle Themepatch to enable the feature but seeing that files have not been released yet, there is not much you can do at this time. Once the theme is available, we will write up a tutorial about how to enable 'Aero Glass' on Windows 10. And when the theme is ready for everyone to use, it will be "100% same as in Win7", according to those who are making it.
Adobe Ill


Why the fuck is anyone paying M$ then.. if there design department is so fucking shit, that other people are doing the work of making there OS look more appealing than the flat square shit that it has become.

gx-x(01:39 PM CEST - Oct,13 2014 )
Csimbi> doodah> Csimbi> quote:
Firefox is planning a 64-bit browser

I know it's not very conservative with memory, but needing more than 4G sounds a bit excessive.

No other reason to go 64bit in a browser.


Yeah there is - the ASLR space is WAAAAY bigger, so stack smashing/buffer overflow bugs are mostly eliminated. Plus (I believe) DEP is mandatory for 64bit apps.

And that's before you get to potential speed benefits..

You do realize it's a browser, right? Not an OS.


few big tabs with lot's of content (flash, scripts, java etc + images, video and so on) can take up over 2GB and then you are screwed in 32bit browser since everything becomes sluggish, slow, unresponsive...I can make that happen just with few you tube videos open, and couple of regular sites that I have opened in tabs. Then I have to restart browser to clear the memory, or, use 64bit chrome and have no issues. IF mozzila had done like google did with chrome and had every tab had it's own process, then they wouldn't have to make 64bit browser since every tab would be able to allocate 2GB for itself, but they didn't so...

Csimbi(03:52 PM CEST - Oct,13 2014 )
I love Firefox and that's my browser of choice, so there is no need to find excuse for bad programming. It is what it is; this is what you get nowadays.

Koogle(04:35 AM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
You can enable per tab process in Firefox...

of course it is shit, I mean its not anymore more shit that the same thing in DummIEs browser or google Chrape

per tab processes are slower to switch to (open a loads of sites, ctrl+tab to cycle through) use more memory per tab, and use more cpu overall.. It also causes more problems for those with tons of addons.

Not to mention windows shitty task manager still doesn't allow for applications to label separate spawned processes. Like opening a new tab for a website, go into OS task manager, there should be a way for main application to specify that the tab process is for <domain/url> etc ofc the main application can have its town built in tab task manager like. ...



but still M$ are fucking shit at really improving much of anything for the OS these years.

As for 64bit firefox not bothered I use 64bit win7 (but really no benefit to switching to 64bit browser personally, I do see the need for them to push development on it, in the past it has caused few plugins to break so I don't use it, only needs a few core plugin to break and that kills it for me)

My Firefox memory usage really ever goes above 1gb most the time, even now at 32 tabs open firefox is at ~500mb, just opened 10 youtube videos having them all playing, firefox only went up 100mb, while flashplayerplugin exe went to ~350mb.. still under 1gb total usage.

I really never seen how some can go over 2gb for browser memory, I can only guess that noscript really does nerf the bloat of scripts and flash ads etc that can be on most websites down to such a minimum.

Current Fx addon list...

Adblock Plus
Adblock Plus Pop-up Addon
All-in-One Sidebar
Auto Close Folder In Library
BetterPrivacy
Cookie Whitelist, With Buttons
Cookies Manager+
CookieSwap
Custom Buttons
DOM Inspector
DownloadHelper
DownThemAll!
Easy DragToGo+
FastPrevNext
FfChrome
FindBar Tweak
Firebug
FireGestures
Firepicker
Greasemonkey
HttpFox
Image Zoom
InspectorWidget
JSOff
JSONView
keyconfig
Lazarus: Form Recovery
Link Properties Plus
lmnpop
Menu Editor
NextPlease
NoScript
Old Default Image Style
Paste IMG
Paste Quote
Personal Titlebar
PopupInspector
Private Tab
Pure URL
Remember Passwords
Sage++ (Higmmer's Edition)
Saved Password Editor
ScrapBook
Show Selected Images
SmartSearch
Status-4-Evar
Stay-Open Menu
Stylish
Stylish-Custom
Tab Counter
Tab Mix Plus
Tab Scope
Toggle Find Bar
Web Developer
What's That Preference?
YSlow
--- below disabled--
BlockSite Plus
Bookmark Previews
BYTubeD - Bulk YouTube video Downloader
ColorZilla
CSSsir
Download Manager Tweak
Element Properties
EPUBReader
EZ Drag-n-Drop
Favicon Inserter
Find Toolbar Tweaks
FireDiff
FireGloves
FlashFirebug
MEGA
PDF Viewer
Places’ Tooltips
PopVideo
Rehost Image
REST Easy
Sage
Shooter
Show File Size2
Stylish-Custom
TableTools2
TabSubmit
The Camelizer - Price Tracker
Tile Tabs

gx-x(11:39 AM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
we must be using different programs, my firefox takes 180MB as soon as it loads up with gmail tab. Addons:

Super start
fire gestures
DoNotTrackMe
Ad Block Plus

at the moment, I have this page opened, gmail and some tracker page and it's taking 320MB.

Csimbi(04:59 PM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
I have this page opened, plus about 16 addons.
246megs.

gx-x(06:28 PM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
Csimbi> I have this page opened, plus about 16 addons.
246megs.


and you are not counting in plugin container proccess which is 250+ MB I would assume....

Csimbi(06:44 PM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
There's only one process.
Look here.

gx-x(07:12 PM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
Csimbi> There's only one process.
Look here.


I don't have to look, there is plugin container for firefox under background processes...always was...unless you turned it off (which can be done manualy) for some reason.

edit:

sorry, didn't mean to sound arrogant but idk what firefox you are using but I ALWAYS had plugin container (like, since 4.xx version)


Csimbi(07:27 PM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
That's for Flash only. Addons are under the main process.

gx-x(07:34 PM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
didn't have any flash at the time screen shot was taken. I edited my last post. I can force to not use plugin container via about:config but by default - it is enabled.

quote:
Hi RadRon, as the name implies, plugin-container.exe is used to run plugins. This was created around the time of Firefox 3.6.4 to isolate plugins from firefox.exe because they were responsible for a large percentage of Firefox crashes. Placing them in plugin-container.exe prevened misbehaved plugins from taking down your entire Firefox session (at least, in theory it should do that).


from mozzila staff...So, it's not for flash only obviously.

Csimbi(10:58 PM CEST - Oct,14 2014 )
I think you are confusing extensions with plugins.
See if this helps.

gx-x(12:15 AM CEST - Oct,15 2014 )
I am saying that if you have firefox, you should have plugin container running by default. Extensions and plugins are not the same, but some get treated the same way and are being handled by plugin container for the aforementioned reasons. Flash is a plugin, so is Java. Do you want to tell me that you are not using sites that use Java? Flash? (banners, adds, etc). Plugin container should be runing when you start firefox with one tab - about:blank. That's it. You have it disabled, which is not default. I am not saying it is wrong or bad for you, I am just saying that is not default state. I had flash crash on me many times and with container disabled I have to restart the whole browser so I prefer to not disable Plugin Cunt. I don't mind 200-300mb, it's nothing and it's not hindering firefox's memory limit on 32bit since it's a separate process. :)

Csimbi(08:44 PM CEST - Oct,15 2014 )
You should read the text on that link more carefully.
Plugin container.exe starts only when a content plugin needs it.
I use flashblock and adblock, so no rubbish gets loaded by default for me.
Though flashblock is no longer needed on GameGuru - it stopped displaying all flash content a few weeks back.

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